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Does it do 120hz now? Or is it still refusing to run above 60hz?
On July 20 2012 14:07 billy5000 wrote:
Is it possible to recommend a monitor based on the ease of reading text on the monitor? I spend most of my time just reading random stuff on my fairly old 1080p 60hz monitor. But for some reason my eyes fatigue a few times throughout the day, maybe due to my leaning back and reading at a distance. I was wondering if buying a new one specifically for this reason will make much difference.
Hard to say what the problem is. It could be that you're sitting too far back, need glasses, and viewing your monitor at a bad angle so your eyes are under more stress than usual. I can also be that you're just sensitive to PWM flickering. You can find examples of it on Google.
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caps at 100fps max on cs, 120 fps on civ5, so appears to be good now 
and hell the difference between 60 fps and 100 fps on cs was huge
loving it so much, whenever i do somehting else on my other screen now... it just feels.... laggy?
120 fps skyrim is just awesome
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OK so I have £190 for a monitor (Upped my budget a bit). I was looking at the Dell U2312HM but I was wondering what the best method would be to connect it to my Xbox 360? I use DVI for my PC (GTX 560Ti) so I'm not sure what the Xbox 360 is like via VGA or whether I should use VGA for my PC and DVI to HDMI for my Xbox 360? Is there any other monitors in this price range that are worth mentioning?
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For your Xbox 360, you want to use a DVI <-> HDMI adapter and use component/optical for audio. For your PC, can't you use DisplayPort?
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Keep in mind the HDMI cable and component cables will not fit next to each other. What Microsoft wants you to do is buy a new video + component multi cable set. This problem can be easily solved without buying anything. All you have to do is carefully remove the plug's outer casing, which does nothing, and cover the exposed area with electrical tape.
You have a few options that are similar to the U2312HM. The obvious first choice would be the Asus PA238Q. Its around 200 quid on Amazon, which is a little bit more, but it will fit your needs perfectly. It has a headphone jack and a HDMI port so you don't need to fiddle with component cables.
There are also options from LG. The current 23" models aren't particularly good when it comes to motion performance but the 21" models are quite good models and accept HDMI.
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I'm glad you told me about the Asus PA238Q now; I think I'll wait and get that then get a second one in September. Looks like it has everything I want from a monitor especially at that price.
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Hey I'd like to buy a 1920 x 1080 120hz monitor with like 23-24 inches, what do you recommend me? It's mainly for SC2
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Options are in OP. Those are the good ones. There is basically one model for everyone. I recommend the Asus or basic Samsung models. I do not recommend the Samsung SA950 unless you really like how it looks.
You probably won't benefit a lot from 120hz in SC2. Its more beneficial in FPS and racing games where there is an actual sense of movement.
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Hello! So I've just ordered a laptop, and I am going to college in less than four weeks. I'm looking for an external monitor to use for playing SC2, DotA, and watching streams. May you suggest any monitors that won't downgrade my laptop's performance? I'm not sure if playing on 1900x1080 will hinder my experience versus a monitor that utilizes a 1366x768 resolution instead. I have a budget between $100 and $200 as this is coming out of my own pocket, and I have no job lol.
This is the laptop I've ordered.
Laptop
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On July 31 2012 07:34 Sovano wrote:Hello! So I've just ordered a laptop, and I am going to college in less than four weeks. I'm looking for an external monitor to use for playing SC2, DotA, and watching streams. May you suggest any monitors that won't downgrade my laptop's performance? I'm not sure if playing on 1900x1080 will hinder my experience versus a monitor that utilizes a 1366x768 resolution instead. I have a budget between $100 and $200 as this is coming out of my own pocket, and I have no job lol. This is the laptop I've ordered. Laptop
You will be ok for SC2 and dota with a 640m at 1920x1080.
For example for Diablo 3: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Diablo-III-Benchmarked.74918.0.html
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Wait for U2312HM to go on sale. Why buy anything else at $180?
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Well there are certainly good reasons to pick that BenQ GW2450HM over the U2312HM:
- much lighter anti-glare
- much higher contrast
Color gamut & accuracy, motion performance, and input lag are all comparable.
You lose the height-adjustable stand and USB ports. For myself, I'd get the BenQ
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Also, not having to wait for the U2312HM to go on sale.
The Ultrasharp probably has better warranty service and support though. edit: also better viewing angles, of course, but most MVA are probably fine there for most usage.
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Those AUO VA panel viewing angles are pretty trash compared to older VA and IPS panels.
The strange thing is that close to every professional review of these new AUO VA panels (in Philips and Benq monitors) has been positive but user reviews of these monitors have been close to universally negative.
It could just be people shouting especially loud but I'd love to know just how good they are in person. I've never seen one and I've always thought VA monitors to be very nice to use.
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Most professional reviews praise the contrast, black depth, motion performance, and pretty good colour vibrancy. They tend to say the viewing angles are not great but better than TN monitors.
Some user reviews I've read suggest the opposite. They still complain about the motion performance is complete shit (one person said the AMA feature stopped working after 45 days of use...doesn't make too much sense to me to be honest), complain how the viewing angles are worse than the TN monitors they own, and complain how the colours are more muted to the TN monitors they own.
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My PC Specs:
Intel Core i7-3820 (Quad Core, 10MB Cache) Overclocked up to 4.1GHz
16GB Quad Channel DDR3 at 1600MHz
2GB GDDR5 AMD Radeon HD 7870
Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
Budget for a new monitor: $150.00 USD
I'm having this rig bult (should be here ~Aug. 15), and I'm now trying to figure out which monitor to get. Originally I thought that just any 'ol plain jane monitor would be fine. But, I'm seeing words like "ghosting" and "blurring." A quality gaming PC is something I have been wanting for years but couldn't afford until recently.
I don't want to have problems with ghosting and such, so I'm here asking you guiys for help. Is ghosting that** big of a problem in lower quality monitors? Or is it like the boogey man, something used to scare people into spending 500 bucks on a monitor.
Any suggestions on a budget monitor that won't have problems with ghosting/blurring would be appreciated too. Thanks <3
+ Show Spoiler +I have no interest in 3D. I just want a monitor that will have a smooth, clear picture without problems.
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Yeah if you didn't spend a stupid amount on 16GB of memory and LGA2011, you'd probably have a budget for a half decent monitor. $150 isn't going to get you anything in the "good" tier.
Ghosting is completely subjective since its more of a tolerance thing. Its not really a boogeyman, some people just really can't stand ghosting. Similarly, some people get eyestrain very easily by looking at LCD monitors because they have a low tolerance for PWN flickering, which is used to control the brightness.
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What I'm saying is "cancel that order if you still can because you're throwing money into a pit".
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On August 04 2012 21:35 Womwomwom wrote:
Yeah if you didn't spend a stupid amount on 16GB of memory and LGA2011, you'd probably have a budget for a half decent monitor. $150 isn't going to get you anything in the "good" tier.
Ghosting is completely subjective since its more of a tolerance thing. Its not really a boogeyman, some people just really can't stand ghosting. Similarly, some people get eyestrain very easily by looking at LCD monitors because they have a low tolerance for PWN flickering, which is used to control the brightness.
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What I'm saying is "cancel that order if you still can because you're throwing money into a pit".
What do you mean by "throwing money into a pit?" I'm a tech retard, obv, but I've spent my adult life not being able to play certain games at all because my pc couldn't handle them, SC2 runs at 4-6 fps for me, D3 is so choppy I couldn't play hardcore or co-op pub games, etc. etc. I wanted a a rig that would crush current games and be relatively future proof.
I am not a picture quality "snob" (for lack of a better word). I just want to play my games without huge glaring problems that will ruin the experience and playability. I wasn't/still not entirely sure how big of a problem ghosting/blurring is in a lower quality monitor.
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To discuss your first paragraph:
In all technology, a lot of specs are either lies or completely pointless metrics. If you know anything about audio, half of the specs are utterly useless in the real world. Same thing in the computer world.
Games don't really benefit from anything more than 4GB of memory so getting 16GB is utterly pointless. They also don't benefit from quad channel memory so buying the LGA2011 platform is a waste of money. The Intel Core i7-3820 is also the shitty processor in the LGA2011 family because I believe its worse than the current i7-3770K.
To discuss your second paragraph:
There's a lot to monitors than just "does it ghost?"
Stuff like colour vibrancy, contrast, viewing angles, and default calibration quality all have a major part on how good games, images, and videos look. I think its something people should care more about. After all, you look at your screen 99% of the time.
If ghosting is all you care about, then its subjective and you'd have to go out to take a look at what feels best for you. Be aware that you must seek proper user or professional reviews (ones with empirical evidence) or trust your eyes. Do not trust manufacturer specs because the majority are complete lies.
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A typical cheap monitor is not going to ruin your experience, at least not anywhere on the level of getting single-digit fps.
What we're saying is that another computer system costing hundreds of dollars less could offer the same gaming performance, general quality, and user experience. The way most people would suggest here is to cut back on the system in intelligent ways, such that you can afford more than $150 on a monitor, since a more expensive monitor could definitely improve your experience, gaming and otherwise.
If your goal is gaming, the kind of system you listed above is what complete suckers buy. It's powerful but not in ways that are useful for you.
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I've been sort of put off the Asus PA238Q by seeing how bad the backlight bleeding is on it. I might just go for the Dell U2312HM instead; Use DVI for my PC and buy the VGA cables for the Xbox 360 or I could use a DVI to HDMI cable for the Xbox and VGA for the PC. Would there be any differences in doing this?
My graphics card has 2 DVI ports and a mini-HDMI port (Came with a mini-HDMI to HDMI adapter)
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