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I searched this in google but I could not find any posts talking about the best LCD technology for Starcraft 2. I'm a competitive Sc2 player and I'd like to know what's the currently the best.
I know the best aspect ratio is 16: 9 so you can get the maximum FOV in the game. And I know that most people prefer 23.6"/24" compared to 21.5"/22" because it gives you a bigger mini map. But what type of display is best for Sc2? 120Hz TN, IPS or regular 60Hz TN?
Does IPS make the game look more colourful than regular TN? I know that professional Korean Sc2 players use 120Hz monitor, why is this?
I'm aware that 120hz only mostly benefits FPS and racing games, so I'm guessing a regular 60Hz TN is probably sufficient for Sc2.
But most of the 23" TN monitor costs at least $200. And since I can get U2312HM for just $230(only in AUS), I think it's a worthy upgrade. However, the AW2310 still costs $400 so that's not really worth it unless it really benefits Sc2.
So what type of LCD technology benefits Sc2 the most and is 60Hz TN really sufficient for competitive game play?
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IPS is mostly better due to its viewing angle. TN panels will distort colors as you move from side to side, while IPS won't. The difference between them looking straight-on is minimal, especially for SC2. You should only really need an IPS panel if you're anal about your colors being perfect.
As for the refresh rate, you said it yourself, SC2 is not an FPS, so I don't see why it would make any difference. If you can get a cheap IPS panel though, go for it. I can vouch that Dell makes very good monitors.
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IPS or something other than TN is better for general use, moving your seat or viewing angle and not having the picture change drastically, better color reproduction, and so on. For gaming those aren't really advantages.
For competitive gaming, the fastest monitor with lowest input lag, lowest response time (without distracting RTC errors), and highest refresh rate is best. Typically the more expensive gaming-oriented 120 Hz monitors tend to perform the best in those areas. In any game that displays stuff that you need to interact with in real time, it's better to be faster. It just matters less for RTS games.
For a general user or gamer, particularly for RTS, I don't think 6 ms worse input lag, slightly worse ghosting, or something like that is going to make much of a difference though. Is clicking somewhere like 6 ms late going to make the difference in a game?
edit: if you're playing online, network latency will be a much larger factor in most cases.
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I'm using a Dell U2410 IPS panel.
SC2 looks great on it and there is no lag at all. Web browsing is very good as well, definitely recommend.
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I'm also using an ips dell u2311h and personally I think it works fine for gaming and it's great for overall use. It has 8 s input lag but you don't miss what you don't have. If you are like me and watch the monitor from all over the place, chair, sofa, bed, standing up etc, I'd go with an ips.
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I don't personally own a 120hz monitor but I have played SC2 on one at an expo last year and the difference is very visible, all movement looks smoother and over time it should put less strain on your eyes as well. Even non-FPS games gain a lot from the higher refresh rate.
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On September 04 2011 01:04 Highways wrote:
I'm using a Dell U2410 IPS panel.
SC2 looks great on it and there is no lag at all. Web browsing is very good as well, definitely recommend.
U2410 is the older model, probably out of his price range, though not discontinued. U2412M is the newer release which is cheaper.
Even in game mode, the U2410 still has about 14.4 ms input lag (33.8 ms outside of game mode), probably worse than the U2312HM he's looking at. Even if that's not necessarily that bad, particularly for RTS, it's misleading to call that "no lag at all." Of course, most HDTVs have greater than that--maybe even like 80 ms for the worse offenders--and some people play games on those.
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2410.htm
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2412m.htm
On September 04 2011 01:17 nam nam wrote:
I'm also using an ips dell u2311h and personally I think it works fine for gaming and it's great for overall use. It has 8 s input lag but you don't miss what you don't have. If you are like me and watch the monitor from all over the place, chair, sofa, bed, standing up etc, I'd go with an ips.
That's the quoted G2G response time (pixel color transition time) if you meant ms and not s, not input lag (processing + display latency between getting an input signal and displaying the signal). Anyway, the U2311H is among the better models for IPS panel variants for both response time and input lag, though definitely not as fast as the faster TN models.
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I have the Benq XL2410t 120hz screen. The bigger amount hz is really good for fps games and SC2 aswell. I have never had any monitor with "perfect colours" so I don't have any problems with it. Viewing angle doesnt personally matter to me either because, well, I'm not looking at my screen from the sides or anything.
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On September 04 2011 01:21 Myrmidon wrote:
That's the quoted G2G response time (pixel color transition time) if you meant ms and not s, not input lag (processing + display latency between getting an input signal and displaying the signal). Anyway, the U2311H is among the better models for IPS panel variants for both response time and input lag, though definitely not as fast as the faster TN models.
Yeah sorry, being tired and writing in english isn't my strong suit. I was only trying to point out that even though the u23 hasn't the best stats compared to "gamer monitors" it does it's job quite well and is a good monitor for overall use. Sorry if I confused anyone.
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You notice 120hz even in your desktop when you move your mouse btw, compared to 60hz. But the real advantage is mostly in FPS's, true.
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I am using u2311h and it's awesome. I don't think you can find something better for that price. About input lag I didn't notice anything at all, all clicks in SC2 are instant.
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On September 04 2011 01:21 Myrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2011 01:04 Highways wrote:
I'm using a Dell U2410 IPS panel.
SC2 looks great on it and there is no lag at all. Web browsing is very good as well, definitely recommend. U2410 is the older model, probably out of his price range, though not discontinued. U2412M is the newer release which is cheaper. Even in game mode, the U2410 still has about 14.4 ms input lag (33.8 ms outside of game mode), probably worse than the U2312HM he's looking at. Even if that's not necessarily that bad, particularly for RTS, it's misleading to call that "no lag at all." Of course, most HDTVs have greater than that--maybe even like 80 ms for the worse offenders--and some people play games on those.
True that the U2410 has a slightly worse response rate, but in terms of picture quality I think the U2410 is better. Mainly because of the wider colour gamut (1 billion colours vs 16 million I think).
It comes down what you are looking for, if you want a professional monitor with a high emphasis on graphics and photography then go for the U2410. Also the M series is missing HDMI input which is a big issue for me.
But at the end of the day you cant go wrong with a Dell IPS monitor, they are all very good.
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I'm runnin at 120hz on my m17x, and when I switch down to 60hz, it's certainly noticeable to say the least. sc2 runs a lot smoother and crisper in 120hz when compared to 60hz.
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Wide colour gamut isn't particularly useful for basic users, I guess it depends on who you are but most people deal with sRGB anyway. If you're talking about 8 bit vs 6 bit + post processing, Dell's implementation is good enough that most people won't notice the missing 2 bits unless you have a really damn good eye...you basically have to be a savant to notice the missing bits, that's how well Dell implemented it.
The U2412M has less inputs (this is big especially if you are a console gamer since it has composite) but has far better contrast and lower power draw. If you don't need the connections or the wide gamut (if you use lots of non-colour managed graphical applications, you definitely do not want this feature), it isn't really a competition which one is the better monitor.
Does IPS make the game look more colourful than regular TN? I know that professional Korean Sc2 players use 120Hz monitor, why is this?
It doesn't, despite what people say TN will get similar colour accuracy to IPS panels if you calibrate both. The difference is that IPS panels have no colour shift so if you move your body, the colour doesn't literally change. IPS panels, while are pretty good for gaming, have the problem of IPS glow and relative low contrast*...so if you want deep blacks, don't bother with IPS technology.
There's another technology out there called VA. VA technology is great for picture quality and has amazing blacks but they're pretty useless for gaming...so if you want a secondary movie and web-browsing monitor, I'd get a VA.
There isn't anything *wrong* with TN panels but at those prices I'd just pick the Dell IPS panels simply because the connections and spring loaded stand is probably worth more than $30 anyway. That and Dell's warranty service for these monitors is pretty great.
*I suspect this is why the Apple Cinema Displays are so damn glossy and bright. In an area with controlled lighting, the glossy glass seems to deepen the blacks in some capacity while its bright backlighting is enough to kill any reflections.
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I vote for 120hz. You aren't going to notice 100% quality+viewing angle while playing sc2...
Smoother games are like eyegasms.
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Agree with 120hz. I've had a Dell IPS panel, 21" CRT and two kinds of 120hz LCD now. Dell Alienware 23" 120hz is a fantastic looking screen, excellent looking, great value. It significantly reduces eye fatigue for use over time, but do remember to see the benefit of 120hz in games its best to keep an average FPS of >= 120, everything below that counts against the actual benefits ingame.
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ISP technology has a lot higher grey to grey response times. The image on an IPS looks WAY better than a TN panel.
Right up until you move the image. When the image is moved IPS panels get all blurry since even the expensive ones have a high response time.
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I kind of prefer leaving my graphics blown through the roof over more FPS personally. The smoothest boring blob ever is still a boring blob in my book. And it takes a hell of a PC to max things at 120+FPS.
I can max pretty much any game, but not with 120+min FPS.
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I have to agree with going with a 120Hz monitor. I have changed monitors midway between now and SC2's release and its most certainly very noticeable. Much easier to spot and feedback ghosts in mnm balls. for example. I'm an FPS player so the monitor was mostly for that, but I did see a noticeable difference over my Samsung T240. If you play any other game thats not RTS, go with a 120hz. RTS arguably would be the least impacted genre by 120hz monitors but that doesnt mean it's useless; far from it IMO.
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I have had ips and tn/120hz panels and ips is the best for sc2, no benefits of 120hz in this game but in fps its amazing. Ips also is great when the map is pretty dark so the edges with tn-panel are really hard to see but with ips its super easy.
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