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On December 02 2014 01:31 fruity. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2014 15:05 geokilla wrote:
Is there any reason why SC2 won't recognize my multiple mouse and keyboard clicks/strokes? I guess, mainly keyboard strokes? I have a mechanical keyboard (CM Storm Quickfire Ultimate) and supposedly have it set to 1MS by hitting Fn and -. However I notice that sometimes SC2 still doesn't recognize my keystrokes for some weird reason. I swear I pressed escape to cancel a building and stop it from being built, but it still continues for example. There's no way I average only 100APM when in some games I average 160APM. Not familiar with that specific keyboard, but if it has a PS/2 connection you're better off using that as this way it forces an interupt, which the hardware and therefore operating system can not ignore. With USB the hardware/ operating system is basically doing; ..you pressed a key yet? ..you pressed a key yet? ..you pressed a key yet? ..you pressed a key yet? ..you pressed a key yet? Over and over and over. ie Constantly polling the device(s) to see what's being pressed or moved. Perhaps someone move familiar with this could explain it better, or might even say it doesn't or shouldn't matter. But using PS/2 forces your computer to take note of what was pressed and when.
The polling is done by the USB host controller. On the operating system side, there's actually no difference. The OS and CPU do not have to do the polling. The USB controller will signal an interrupt to the CPU when it has new data from the device that it wants to hand over to the OS. This is the same as on PS/2 from the point of view of the operating system.
On the hardware side, for sending the data there should be a random delay of up to 8 ms on a normal USB keyboard being polled at 125 Hz. A PS/2 keyboard does not have that, but I don't know what the USB keyboard does when on a PS/2 to USB adapter, if it's really like a legit PS/2 keyboard.
There's reports of people (or perhaps just one guy) feeling the mouse and a 1000 Hz USB keyboard clash somehow. That kind of keyboard makes the mouse feel off or something. Perhaps things are all technically on the same bus even if plugged into different USB ports, and the USB host controller's polling does not work out right if it has to deal with multiple 1000 Hz devices?
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maybe some kind of interference, if you have access to a oscilloscope, you could investigate.
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On December 02 2014 10:05 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2014 01:31 fruity. wrote:On November 30 2014 15:05 geokilla wrote:
Is there any reason why SC2 won't recognize my multiple mouse and keyboard clicks/strokes? I guess, mainly keyboard strokes? I have a mechanical keyboard (CM Storm Quickfire Ultimate) and supposedly have it set to 1MS by hitting Fn and -. However I notice that sometimes SC2 still doesn't recognize my keystrokes for some weird reason. I swear I pressed escape to cancel a building and stop it from being built, but it still continues for example. There's no way I average only 100APM when in some games I average 160APM. Not familiar with that specific keyboard, but if it has a PS/2 connection you're better off using that as this way it forces an interupt, which the hardware and therefore operating system can not ignore. With USB the hardware/ operating system is basically doing; ..you pressed a key yet? ..you pressed a key yet? ..you pressed a key yet? ..you pressed a key yet? ..you pressed a key yet? Over and over and over. ie Constantly polling the device(s) to see what's being pressed or moved. Perhaps someone move familiar with this could explain it better, or might even say it doesn't or shouldn't matter. But using PS/2 forces your computer to take note of what was pressed and when. The polling is done by the USB host controller. On the operating system side, there's actually no difference. The OS and CPU do not have to do the polling. The USB controller will signal an interrupt to the CPU when it has new data from the device that it wants to hand over to the OS. This is the same as on PS/2 from the point of view of the operating system. On the hardware side, for sending the data there should be a random delay of up to 8 ms on a normal USB keyboard being polled at 125 Hz. A PS/2 keyboard does not have that, but I don't know what the USB keyboard does when on a PS/2 to USB adapter, if it's really like a legit PS/2 keyboard. There's reports of people (or perhaps just one guy) feeling the mouse and a 1000 Hz USB keyboard clash somehow. That kind of keyboard makes the mouse feel off or something. Perhaps things are all technically on the same bus even if plugged into different USB ports, and the USB host controller's polling does not work out right if it has to deal with multiple 1000 Hz devices?
Good stuff I learnt something. 
Might be interesting to use a PS/2 converter as mentioned (assuming your keyboard doesnt have a dedicated one) And see if you feel this resolves things. Using a converter may effect N-Key rollover though, assuming your keyboard provides this over USB, which may be important to you, lots of talk of this and newer rapid fire inject methods currently.
Another thing to tweak would be going into your BIOS and turning off any unwanted devices, which would free up system rescources, ie serial ports, parrallel ports, firewire etc etc. If you dont use them there is no harm in turning them off. Though really it shouldnt matter, cant be much over head to the system having these active when not used. But it wont harm, it's what I do in my gaming comp, no down side, and it might help.
But if you arent familiar with BIOS's probably better not to mess about in there, as its easy to change something and make your computer unbootable.
Updating the BIOS is another option, though this should only be done as a very last resort, as if done incorrectly (or you get a power cut whilst it is running) You WILL bork your computer.
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oh baby, my WASD v2 is gonna be here on friday, so excited.
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While I'm upgrading my PC I think I'm going to try to fix up my Rosewill RK 9000 brown that has the shitty USB port. I've read online that you should be able to fix this by re-soldering the usb port down, but I have absolutely zero experience in this. Is this a pretty easy thing to do?
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On December 03 2014 23:06 IMoperator wrote:
oh baby, my WASD v2 is gonna be here on friday, so excited.
Which key flavour is it coming in? I'm going to bet 2,500 of my esports dollars, and guess red or brown.
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I reeeeeeeaaally want a Poker II keyboard for travelling (when I move my PC from time to time, I'd rather not carry around a full + numpad keyboard with blue switches that might piss off others)
Can anyone recommend/critique these who has experience with them? And also, coming from blues, is reds a completely different experience? I type quite a bit but I also play a bunch of Starcraft. I love blue cherry mx switches but I'm willing to try something new.
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On December 04 2014 21:41 Thalandros wrote:
I reeeeeeeaaally want a Poker II keyboard for travelling (when I move my PC from time to time, I'd rather not carry around a full + numpad keyboard with blue switches that might piss off others)
Can anyone recommend/critique these who has experience with them? And also, coming from blues, is reds a completely different experience? I type quite a bit but I also play a bunch of Starcraft. I love blue cherry mx switches but I'm willing to try something new.
If you are wont to use camera hotkeys I would look into how people with Poker II's circumvent the lack of function keys. I would also point you in the direction of the Noppoo Choc Mini for a micro board with similar qualities, but retains some of the more important SC2 keys.
If you aren't married to the Function Keys, the Leopold fc660c may strike your fancy as well.
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Look into getting a keyboard with cherry red or brown switches. Reds a linear and dont make a clicking sound - so there is no 'bump' at the actuation point when you press a key. Brown have a little bump at the actuation point, but again, do not click.
I recently replaced my ducky shine III with a coolermaster CM Storm Quickfire TK, it has a numpad and home/end/insert keys integrated into one block so it's less wide than a full size, but you still get the numpad option which I find usefull from time to time.
The TK bit stands for Ten Key, you may see other keyboards listed as TKL which stands for Ten Key Less - ie no numberpad block.
Just throwing out an optional idea. It wont be as short width wide as a poker 2 though. Is backlit, does have various cherry key options, and I am most happy with it so far.
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Hello, I recently bought a Razer Blackwidow Tournament Edition 2014. It looks great and feels great but I have a problem with it in the sense that my left wrist started fatiguing very quickly. Are there any guides on proper transition into a mechanical keyboard? (It's my first one) Any guides on proper wrist position? Any general tips? I googled about it but the only useful thing i learned is that I have to keep my wrist level and not bent at any angle. That feels pretty awkward and difficult to do when I'm typing though.
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I doubt there are transition guides out there. Look at your posture overall.
When you sit at your desk the table top / seat height needs to be in relation so that your forearms naturally bend at 90° to rest on the table top.
If your wrist is bending up, you could try padding it with a few tea towels so the wrist and forearm is straighter. If your forearms dont rest naturally as in that pic, add some cushions to your seat to get that angle. If its the opposite, lower your seat (and monitor).
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/JHosf6o.jpg)
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Edit : It's not relevant anymore. I just decided to return the thing. Thanks for the advice though.
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On December 04 2014 22:36 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2014 21:41 Thalandros wrote:
I reeeeeeeaaally want a Poker II keyboard for travelling (when I move my PC from time to time, I'd rather not carry around a full + numpad keyboard with blue switches that might piss off others)
Can anyone recommend/critique these who has experience with them? And also, coming from blues, is reds a completely different experience? I type quite a bit but I also play a bunch of Starcraft. I love blue cherry mx switches but I'm willing to try something new. If you are wont to use camera hotkeys I would look into how people with Poker II's circumvent the lack of function keys. I would also point you in the direction of the Noppoo Choc Mini for a micro board with similar qualities, but retains some of the more important SC2 keys. If you aren't married to the Function Keys, the Leopold fc660c may strike your fancy as well.
On December 04 2014 22:36 fruity. wrote:
Look into getting a keyboard with cherry red or brown switches. Reds a linear and dont make a clicking sound - so there is no 'bump' at the actuation point when you press a key. Brown have a little bump at the actuation point, but again, do not click.
I recently replaced my ducky shine III with a coolermaster CM Storm Quickfire TK, it has a numpad and home/end/insert keys integrated into one block so it's less wide than a full size, but you still get the numpad option which I find usefull from time to time.
The TK bit stands for Ten Key, you may see other keyboards listed as TKL which stands for Ten Key Less - ie no numberpad block.
Just throwing out an optional idea. It wont be as short width wide as a poker 2 though. Is backlit, does have various cherry key options, and I am most happy with it so far.
Thanks to both of you. I'm looking at the Noppoo's at the moment (where can I get them cheapest? I can only really find 'em on eBay)
and I'm not sure if I can do without the F keys. I've looked at this before, and even though I don't currently use the camera/F keys for Starcraft, I might in the future, and learning another button combination for F5 might be slightly aggrivating. Anyone with experience switching to a 60% keyboard?
The leopolds look very sleek aswell, I'm gonna have to take a look at those.
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On December 05 2014 07:57 Thalandros wrote:
and I'm not sure if I can do without the F keys. I've looked at this before, and even though I don't currently use the camera/F keys for Starcraft, I might in the future, and learning another button combination for F5 might be slightly aggrivating. Anyone with experience switching to a 60% keyboard?
The leopolds look very sleek aswell, I'm gonna have to take a look at those.
Fleet keys is a good basic keybind system which basically integrates everything (camera locations, unit bindings and unit abilities) Into one block 'grid style' on the left of the keyboard. Hence you dont need f1-f8, though it does bind other stuff to these, less used, which can easily be moved for example to the back forward mouse buttons.
So numbers 1-5
QWERT
ASDFG
ZXCVB
Take a look it's good.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/404476-fleet-keys-refined-hotkey-systems
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Something else, perhaps negative to cherry keys in general is that even with brown or red switches, they are still quite noisy as when the key bottoms out they still make afair bit of noise.
You can get little rubber O-rings to add which I believe can eliminate or reduce this bottoming out sound.
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Im thinking about trying out blues but them being higher activation than my browns scares me. I feel like it might make my left hand sore. But at the same time it only gets sore when I bottom out hard over and over on my browns. Right now I have a filco with cherry browns but it has a broken space bar which is annoying. If Im just buying another keyboard thats the exact same Im not sure if its worth getting another but if theres another brand with better feel I would check it out.
So basically should I consider switching to blues and if not should I stick with my filco with browns?
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On December 05 2014 07:57 Thalandros wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2014 22:36 ThomasjServo wrote:On December 04 2014 21:41 Thalandros wrote:
I reeeeeeeaaally want a Poker II keyboard for travelling (when I move my PC from time to time, I'd rather not carry around a full + numpad keyboard with blue switches that might piss off others)
Can anyone recommend/critique these who has experience with them? And also, coming from blues, is reds a completely different experience? I type quite a bit but I also play a bunch of Starcraft. I love blue cherry mx switches but I'm willing to try something new. If you are wont to use camera hotkeys I would look into how people with Poker II's circumvent the lack of function keys. I would also point you in the direction of the Noppoo Choc Mini for a micro board with similar qualities, but retains some of the more important SC2 keys. If you aren't married to the Function Keys, the Leopold fc660c may strike your fancy as well. Show nested quote +On December 04 2014 22:36 fruity. wrote:
Look into getting a keyboard with cherry red or brown switches. Reds a linear and dont make a clicking sound - so there is no 'bump' at the actuation point when you press a key. Brown have a little bump at the actuation point, but again, do not click.
I recently replaced my ducky shine III with a coolermaster CM Storm Quickfire TK, it has a numpad and home/end/insert keys integrated into one block so it's less wide than a full size, but you still get the numpad option which I find usefull from time to time.
The TK bit stands for Ten Key, you may see other keyboards listed as TKL which stands for Ten Key Less - ie no numberpad block.
Just throwing out an optional idea. It wont be as short width wide as a poker 2 though. Is backlit, does have various cherry key options, and I am most happy with it so far. Thanks to both of you. I'm looking at the Noppoo's at the moment (where can I get them cheapest? I can only really find 'em on eBay) and I'm not sure if I can do without the F keys. I've looked at this before, and even though I don't currently use the camera/F keys for Starcraft, I might in the future, and learning another button combination for F5 might be slightly aggrivating. Anyone with experience switching to a 60% keyboard? The leopolds look very sleek aswell, I'm gonna have to take a look at those.
I bought mine on Amazon, but being in the states, there is really nothing I can't get for a reasonable price.
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KDot2, I personally dont feel that your average gamer is going to notice any difference between browns or blue, we'll al;ways be bottoming out the keys as we hammer them.
Just checked and browns have 45cN actuation force and blues are 50cN, a teeny tiny difference, blacks have 60cN for example.
I'd advise either going to a good PC shop to try variations before you stump up your hard earned $, alternatively get a sampler kit. WASD do them, for one.
http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/wasd-sampler-kit.html
A sampler kit wont be a good as trying a full keyboard though.. Better than nothing.
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You can tell the difference between blues and browns easily. I own both, and blues don't have a bump so much as a hard clack before registering. Force required isn't really the change, so much as the how your fingers respond to blues vs. browns or vice versa, is the big change.
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On December 05 2014 11:20 ThomasjServo wrote:
You can tell the difference between blues and browns easily. I own both, and blues don't have a bump so much as a hard clack before registering. Force required isn't really the change, so much as the how your fingers respond to blues vs. browns or vice versa, is the big change.
does that make it easier to not bottom out blues ?
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