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Thank you for your quick reply. Very informative.
Yes I already have the motherboard. I got the motherboard and an Intel i5 2500k together off ebay second hand. It saved me some money (which I needed to do) so I went for it. Will soon see if that was a mistake or not. The heat sink has some black residue on the bottom plate, presumably from normal use, is this something I should worry about/clean?
Also, you mentioned the Agility 3 was one of the slowest current gen SSDs, is it still miles ahead of an optical drive (say at 7200 rpm)? And would you recommend a different SSD then? The price and the fact it was a SSD was basically what lead me to the Agility 3. With a linux OS and plenty of other storage, I figured I could micromanage a 60gig hard drive just fine.
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Probably left over thermal paste from the last time the heatsink was used. You'll want to clean it off so it doesn't interfere with the new thermal paste you will be using when you install the heatsink. To clean it off dampen a cloth with alcohol, preferably 100% isoprophyl (rubbing alcohol). It should come off relatively easily and the alcohol will evaporate to leave a clean, dry surface.
Note: I was unexpectedly out of rubbing alcohol last time I did this, so I used 80 proof whiskey. It was fine, just took a little while longer to rub the gunk off. Don't use something like rum though. Sugar is sticky. And alcohols are not forwards and backwards compatible. If you try to drink isoprophyl alcohol you'll probably go blind.
For me being waaaaay too in depth on SSDs, find my post in this thread (prices obviously won't be the same):
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305438
Edit: reading the below reply, I didn't realize the possibility the heatsink was currently installed. If it's installed and working than apply the following adage: if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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If the heatsink/fan works and produces acceptable temperatures under load at acceptable noise levels, that should be fine. Who cares how it looks? I mean, leftover residue may not be ideal, but if it works, it works. If it doesn't, then fix it. edit: after reading the above reply now I think there's a distinct possibility that it's not yet installed (lol)? Clean it and apply new thermal paste if you haven't yet installed it.
I think you mean to say "hard disk drive" (mechanical platter-based spinning storage) when you say "optical drive" (CD / DVD / BD). Yes, I said that SSDs were still considerably faster than hard drives, even if they're 7200 rpm, or even 10000 rpm or whatever.
Are you running a Linux kernel 2.6.33 or later? That's when TRIM support was added for SSDs. TRIM more or less helps prevent SSD performance from degrading over time.
PCCaseGear doesn't have a great selection, but I'd still consider a Crucial M4 64GB or Intel 320 80GB out of concerns for reliability. Updates in firmware for SandForce-based drives like the Agility 3 have fixed some known issues but not all of them.
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Yeah it's going to be a completely new build so it's not built yet. A friend of mine is talking me into getting a SATA3 board. If I can resell the MB I have now on ebay, I'll pick up a SATA3 one, if not I'll just make do with what I have.
I plan on using the latest openSuse distro, and I'm assuming that has the most recent linux kernal. I'm not an expert on linux, I just don't want to spend money on an OS, and don't like windows anyway.
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You probably know this, but just in case...
Basically, a SATA3 board will be moderately useful if you want to get one of the newest and fastest SSDs. If that's not in your budget, it's a waste of money. Even with just SATA2, you can get full benefit from any hard drive, optical drive, many SSDs, and most of the speed of the even the newest SSDs. Include some high-end flash drives in the SSD category.
That's all SATA3 does - allow higher bandwidth for storage. And SATA2 allows full speed for most of it.
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If the old motherboard is currently installed I would definitely not bother with a replacement. It would be very difficult to notice the difference between a SATA2 and SATA3 interface when using an SSD as opposed to benchmarking it, and the difference is even smaller on one of the slowest SATA3 SSDs. Notice the difference here in the AnandTech heavy workload 2012 benchmark, which simulates "real-world" usage:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/371?vs=372
And that's between the 120GB Agility 3 on SATA3 vs. SATA2. The difference would be less on the smaller and significantly slower 60GB Agility 3:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/371?vs=402
There's a lot less performance difference than most people would assume.
If wouldn't be as huge a waste as a normal motherboard upgrade so long as you get a Z68 or P67 motherboard that allows you to overclock the CPU...if the increased CPU speed would do anything useful for you. If you were already going to do a new OS install then it's not nearly as big of a waste of time as I thought earlier.
openSUSE since 11.3 has a new enough Linux kernel for TRIM, and they've since gone to 11.4 and 12.1. A lot of times many major distros are behind, but it's been a while already. I asked because, for example, Debian is using something older like 2.6.32.
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I have a hamachi issue
Hello there, i am having some bad hamachi connection problems. As soon as i try to log on to hamachi and start it up, it somes up with an error message "Failed to connect to the Hamachi servers." with some option stuff after that. I try both options, the yes option making my hamachi try very hard to connect, but it is constantly failing at the last hurdle, as at some points it tells me it is logging in, but then it goes back to a bold reconnecting. It has been doing this for the past half hour now, and even if i didn't give enough info, i hope i can get it solved. P.S.My internet connection is fine, i can post on this forum, so that isnt the problem 
This is the exact problem posted on a different forum, except ive been having trouble for over 3 months now and i really dont know what to do. I came back every couple weeks trying to fix my problem, looking all over google but none of the solutions have ever helped me. I dont know what my problem is, so i dont know what else to say.
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Hope this is the right place for this.
First of all, I don't know what my problem is, but I suspect a faulty hard drive. Here's the story:
3 days ago my old prebuild computer started freezing up. Some programs, like skype would keep running fine, while other programs, such as WOW, SC2, would be unresponsive for a minute or two, then start working again. I used malwarbytes to scan the computer, nothing came up. Now, the computer won't boot, even in safe mode, and simply says A DISK READ ERROR HAS OCCURRED. PRESS CTRL+ALT+DELETE TO RESTART. Googling this problem, there seems to be many causes and few solutions to this problem. Interestingly, the first time the computer failed to boot, instead of a disk read error, there was a C++ runtime error that said nvscv.exe wasn't working. Seeing that this is a nvidia driver, I don't know if the hard drive has truly died, or if there is some sort of messed up driver problem. So does anyone know what the actual problem is, or how to diagnose or fix it? Can I take a HD out of another computer and test it in this computer, or will the drivers be too screwed up?
TL;DR: computer won't boot, disk read error, what to do now?
computer specs:
http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/asus-essentio-cm5570-ap006/4505-3118_7-33699662.html
core 2 quad 2.33GHz
GT 240 aftermarket EVGA card
removed wireless adapter (was causing problems 6 months ago)
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i got an ATI Radeon HD 5800 series since the beginning that SC2 came out and its fine. my friend wants to build a PC for Diablo 3 and SC2, whats a better one than that? he's trying to spend less then 800 total on the PC.
also how many GBs of RAM would i need to play those 2 great? i think im at 4? or how do i check?
anything else important to get for a PC on the inside? which core processor would be good?
i check my properties and it says i have 4 of the Intel Core 2Quad CPU Q8300 22.50GHz and also i have the Intel 4 series chipset. Does that mean I have an i4? this was bought like 2 1/2 years ago so idk if i4 was even out yet, i know were at i6 right?
sorry for the nagging
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Umm I didn't understand most of the post so I'll just ignore that part
For SC2 and Diablo 3 something like 5850 is still really good, for a new card I'd go with 6850 or 6870.
4gb of ram is fine, 8gb is decent to get though if you can for cheap
Assuming you don't overclock, I'd get something like an i5 2400 processor along with a h61 chipset motherboard
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@minitelemaster: A proper answer to that one is outside the scope of this thread, but it's very likely that your HD is dead or dying. If you want confirmation, you could try installing it as a data drive in another PC and running chkdsk and CrystalDiskInfo on it.
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On February 12 2012 20:15 Mvrio wrote:
i got an ATI Radeon HD 5800 series since the beginning that SC2 came out and its fine. my friend wants to build a PC for Diablo 3 and SC2, whats a better one than that? he's trying to spend less then 800 total on the PC.
also how many GBs of RAM would i need to play those 2 great? i think im at 4? or how do i check?
anything else important to get for a PC on the inside? which core processor would be good?
i check my properties and it says i have 4 of the Intel Core 2Quad CPU Q8300 22.50GHz and also i have the Intel 4 series chipset. Does that mean I have an i4? this was bought like 2 1/2 years ago so idk if i4 was even out yet, i know were at i6 right?
sorry for the nagging
Something better than a Radeon HD5850 is a Radeon HD6870. Something better than a Radeon HD5870 is a Radeon HD6950.
There is no such thing as an i4 or an i6... The 4 series chipset refers to the 4th series of chipset which was P45. Right now we're on the 6th series chipsets which refers to H61, H67, P67, and Z68.
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got a question again. my "lil" brother (hes 20 now <.<) could get a monitor from a friend for 25€. big upgrade over his ages old one.
but now i noticed that it only has a vga port which seemed quite weird. how big of a problem is that? i havent used vga for years but heared it has rather big quality issues nowadays.
wasnt a problem so far since his pc was almost as old as the monitor but it died and he will most likely get my pc once i built myself a new one.
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On February 13 2012 00:24 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 20:15 Mvrio wrote:
i got an ATI Radeon HD 5800 series since the beginning that SC2 came out and its fine. my friend wants to build a PC for Diablo 3 and SC2, whats a better one than that? he's trying to spend less then 800 total on the PC.
also how many GBs of RAM would i need to play those 2 great? i think im at 4? or how do i check?
anything else important to get for a PC on the inside? which core processor would be good?
i check my properties and it says i have 4 of the Intel Core 2Quad CPU Q8300 22.50GHz and also i have the Intel 4 series chipset. Does that mean I have an i4? this was bought like 2 1/2 years ago so idk if i4 was even out yet, i know were at i6 right?
sorry for the nagging Something better than a Radeon HD5850 is a Radeon HD6870. Something better than a Radeon HD5870 is a Radeon HD6950. There is no such thing as an i4 or an i6... The 4 series chipset refers to the 4th series of chipset which was P45. Right now we're on the 6th series chipsets which refers to H61, H67, P67, and Z68.
thanks, i look like an idiot about the i6 lol, 4 gigs of RAM would do for Diablo or 6? thinking about future games as well
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On February 13 2012 02:28 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:+ Show Spoiler +got a question again. my "lil" brother (hes 20 now <.<) could get a monitor from a friend for 25€. big upgrade over his ages old one.
but now i noticed that it only has a vga port which seemed quite weird. how big of a problem is that? i havent used vga for years but heared it has rather big quality issues nowadays.
wasnt a problem so far since his pc was almost as old as the monitor but it died and he will most likely get my pc once i built myself a new one.
VGA is fine.
On February 13 2012 08:00 Mvrio wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 13 2012 00:24 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 20:15 Mvrio wrote:
i got an ATI Radeon HD 5800 series since the beginning that SC2 came out and its fine. my friend wants to build a PC for Diablo 3 and SC2, whats a better one than that? he's trying to spend less then 800 total on the PC.
also how many GBs of RAM would i need to play those 2 great? i think im at 4? or how do i check?
anything else important to get for a PC on the inside? which core processor would be good?
i check my properties and it says i have 4 of the Intel Core 2Quad CPU Q8300 22.50GHz and also i have the Intel 4 series chipset. Does that mean I have an i4? this was bought like 2 1/2 years ago so idk if i4 was even out yet, i know were at i6 right?
sorry for the nagging Something better than a Radeon HD5850 is a Radeon HD6870. Something better than a Radeon HD5870 is a Radeon HD6950. There is no such thing as an i4 or an i6... The 4 series chipset refers to the 4th series of chipset which was P45. Right now we're on the 6th series chipsets which refers to H61, H67, P67, and Z68. thanks, i look like an idiot about the i6 lol, 4 gigs of RAM would do for Diablo or 6? thinking about future games as well
4gb is fine for gaming. It won't change anytime soon.
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On February 12 2012 23:24 jaj22 wrote:
@minitelemaster: A proper answer to that one is outside the scope of this thread, but it's very likely that your HD is dead or dying. If you want confirmation, you could try installing it as a data drive in another PC and running chkdsk and CrystalDiskInfo on it.
Thanks jaj,
I got the disk running on another computer as a data drive, and chkdsk shows no errors, although the computer can't boot from it. I ended up reformatting it (or reimage, idk the correct term) back to how it came from the factory, and now the computer can boot from it. So anyways, it's working for now, but I suspect the HDD won't last for long. On maybe a related note, the DVD drive seems to be malfunctioning recently as well.
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On February 11 2012 02:09 Zay wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 00:38 TheToast wrote:On February 10 2012 08:51 Zay wrote:
Hi guys,
Haven't been able to find an answer to my question so thought i'd look here.
My problem is that whilst watching streams, i push and hold Alt to speak on voice servers, however this causes the stream to lag and eventually stop completely, this only occurs whilst watching the stream on full screen... Any suggestions to fix this?
Many thanks,
Zay This could be an issue with flash, I've run into my fair share of freezing when full screening the flash player. However, I'm thinking this is more likely a bandwidth issue. Most streaming content, when full screened, will bump up it's quality automatically. It couly be that you do not have enough bandwidth to support both streaming at 480p or 720p while using voice chat. Voice over IP is transferring more data than you think. If you are watching streams on twitch, try setting the quality to all the way down to 240p, and see if the issue continues to happen. Hi, Just did what you suggested and i still get stream lag / freeze when i press alt on mumble (on 240p and all other resolutions). Any other thoughts?
Any more help <3 ?
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On February 14 2012 02:29 Zay wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 02:09 Zay wrote:On February 11 2012 00:38 TheToast wrote:On February 10 2012 08:51 Zay wrote:
Hi guys,
Haven't been able to find an answer to my question so thought i'd look here.
My problem is that whilst watching streams, i push and hold Alt to speak on voice servers, however this causes the stream to lag and eventually stop completely, this only occurs whilst watching the stream on full screen... Any suggestions to fix this?
Many thanks,
Zay This could be an issue with flash, I've run into my fair share of freezing when full screening the flash player. However, I'm thinking this is more likely a bandwidth issue. Most streaming content, when full screened, will bump up it's quality automatically. It couly be that you do not have enough bandwidth to support both streaming at 480p or 720p while using voice chat. Voice over IP is transferring more data than you think. If you are watching streams on twitch, try setting the quality to all the way down to 240p, and see if the issue continues to happen. Hi, Just did what you suggested and i still get stream lag / freeze when i press alt on mumble (on 240p and all other resolutions). Any other thoughts? Any more help <3 ?
Apparently Mumble can use some significant CPU resources: http://mumble.sourceforge.net/FAQ#Mumble_has_high_CPU_usage
CPU usage is also going to be high for any streaming content, so you could be getting slowdown from this.
Could also still be a latency thing, Mumble FAQ says that if the voice quality is set up at the maximum, Mumble's bandwidth usage can be as high as 133.6 kbit/s. If your internet connection is slow (<1mb/s), this could still be causing a problem even on the lowest quality.
Could also just be flash. Especially at full screen flash can be pretty unstable, make sure you have it updated to the latest version.
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Is there anyway to be notified if someone replies directly to one of your posts here at TL? I see nothing in the profile page.
For some very active threads, it's quite hard to keep track of whether someone replied to something you said.
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