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On November 21 2012 19:04 Rannasha wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 14:24 AznBoy00 wrote:
Hey guys I would like to know in streaming, how much upload speed is equal to x bitrate for 0.5; 1; 1.5; 2; 5; 10...and so on, just to have an idea on which isp I should switch to stream since I have barely 0.85mbps upload speed... Your upload speed is the bitrate. In your case, 0.85 mbps (or 850 kbps). Note that the bitrate from the stream is variable and the value you set in your streaming program will not be the maximum possible bitrate being produced. Because of this, and because you need to keep some bandwidth free for other things (like SC2!), it's recommended to use a bitrate that is at most 75% of your upload speed. So to get a 3 mbps stream, you'd need roughly 4 mbps upload bandwidth.
So it 1mbps for 1000?
I also want to maintain my bandwidth to have a good response time while streaming(no delays at every clicks), because on 500k sometimes, I've been experiencing some delays in clicks...So which is the best setting?
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Not really a super techy question, but pretty simple.
I need a decent webcam, and the only likely good ones I know of are from Logitech (probably overpriced)? What's a decent but cheap webcam that I can use? Pref under 40$. (Just wondering if anybody has a personal preference/brand they like and they wanna say it.)
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best power efficient(low wattage) + high performance gpu for around <200$? non 7850 suggestions pls
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GTX 660 is 30$ over at 230$ with a 20$ MIR (and free Assasins Creed III, although I'm not sure how much that matters to you)
here.
Below that, GTX 650 Ti is anywhere between 140-180$. 140$ option here: Link. Better options would probably be factory overclocked etc.
Afaik, Nvidia has nothing in between the 650 Ti and the 660. And if you don't want AMD choices, you'd be stuck to one of those (650Ti will be below 7850, 660 probably above)
Edit: GTX 660 vs AMD 7850
GTX 650Ti vs AMD 7850
650 Ti performs worse for an obviously lower price, while GTX 660 is basically better in every way for ~30$ more.
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On November 23 2012 10:37 Alryk wrote:GTX 660 is 30$ over at 230$ with a 20$ MIR (and free Assasins Creed III, although I'm not sure how much that matters to you) here. Below that, GTX 650 Ti is anywhere between 140-180$. 140$ option here: Link. Better options would probably be factory overclocked etc. Afaik, Nvidia has nothing in between the 650 Ti and the 660. And if you don't want AMD choices, you'd be stuck to one of those (650Ti will be below 7850, 660 probably above) Edit: GTX 660 vs AMD 7850GTX 650Ti vs AMD 7850650 Ti performs worse for an obviously lower price, while GTX 660 is basically better in every way for ~30$ more.
i plan on returning the vid card anyways, all i need is a low wattage vid card that can run sc2 on medium/high. im testing my psu out to see if im having power issues with my current gpu(gtx 570, current psu is a seasonic x560)
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On November 23 2012 11:22 ROOTT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 10:37 Alryk wrote:GTX 660 is 30$ over at 230$ with a 20$ MIR (and free Assasins Creed III, although I'm not sure how much that matters to you) here. Below that, GTX 650 Ti is anywhere between 140-180$. 140$ option here: Link. Better options would probably be factory overclocked etc. Afaik, Nvidia has nothing in between the 650 Ti and the 660. And if you don't want AMD choices, you'd be stuck to one of those (650Ti will be below 7850, 660 probably above) Edit: GTX 660 vs AMD 7850GTX 650Ti vs AMD 7850650 Ti performs worse for an obviously lower price, while GTX 660 is basically better in every way for ~30$ more. i plan on returning the vid card anyways, all i need is a low wattage vid card that can run sc2 on medium/high. im testing my psu out to see if im having power issues with my current gpu(gtx 570, current psu is a seasonic x560)
570 probably draws more power than any kepler card, and definitely a 660. Why no 7850? And fwiw, that should be plenty for a single 570.
You can pretty close to max SC2 with a GTX 650 (~95-110$). 650Ti would max it.
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Hi SQSA gentlemen!
I have a question for you all. I'm currently sitting on the build you'll see below and am planning on having to upgrade it sometime in 2013, perhaps early 2014 if I can possibly squeeze out as much time as I can.
I'm experiencing issues of low framerates on some FPS games (Firefall.. in beta I know, but still frustrating), and some chop on larger team games in SC2. Would I be served by upgrading my video card to to current gen card and using it with my current setup or would my CPU bottleneck it too much to be a worthwhile tiered upgrade? Edit: were I to buy a card, it'd be a 660ti or 670 with the intention of SLI-ing it in 1-2 years.
My setup:
AMD Phenom 9850 Quad-core 2.5Ghz link
ASUS M2N-SLI Motherboard link
2x 9800 GTX+ in SLI link
6 gig ram
1000 watt Antec PSU (so I'd almost prefer a power hungry but SLI optimized option  )
I currently run two monitors setup if that changes considerations at all.
Thank you in advance!
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United Kingdom20275 Posts
Your CPU is extremely weak, a stock i5 3570 benchmarks about 2.6x stronger (and is the best CPU for single threaded performance)
In terms of playing sc2, your minimum framerates and most of the time when the system is under stress, your average framerates too will almost entirely be based on CPU.
Pretty much if you are playing anything at all on lower focused settings but are struggling to hold 60fps or have as good performance as you want, it will be because of CPU, while you need a strong GPU to max out most games at good framerates, a weak CPU will run them badly at any settings, and SC2 in particular is extremely CPU-capped in battles or large-unit-count situations.
Pricing and new CPU availability etc will change A LOT in the next year but right now, my suggestion would be either an i5 3570 + motherboard +4-8gb 1333/1600mhz RAM, or if you are on a tight budget, consider a Pentium G860 + Motherboard +4gb RAM and think about adding a powerful single graphics card like the 660ti to it. Most games wont gain much performance from going above 2 CPU cores, and intel is king of the performance-per-core market, but the G860 is 3ghz vs the 3570's 3.4ghz+turbo (and overclocking ability if you get unlocked version) and some games benefit some from having more cores avalible (gw2 in particular is the only game i know that will eat 4 and be hard CPU-capped) so its a touch weaker but still an amazing CPU.
Dont be fooled by clock speed = performance myth, the Pentium G860 is a dual core CPU running at 3ghz but still manages to double the per-core performance of the quad core Phenom 9850 and match its performance in other tasks with half as many cores. i5 3570 destroys it in every way. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/29?vs=701&i=27.28.38.39
Haswell CPU line is releasing in the first half of 2013 and ~10-15% performance improvements are expected as far as i know, but nothing is really solid yet. For sure, though, there will be different recommendations for the same price/performance bracket soon, things change very fast.
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On November 23 2012 23:02 Cyro wrote:
Your CPU is extremely weak, a stock i5 3570 benchmarks about 2.6x stronger (and is the best CPU for single threaded performance)
In terms of playing sc2, your minimum framerates and most of the time when the system is under stress, your average framerates too will almost entirely be based on CPU.
Pretty much if you are playing anything at all on lower focused settings but are struggling to hold 60fps or have as good performance as you want, it will be because of CPU, while you need a strong GPU to max out most games at good framerates, a weak CPU will run them badly at any settings, and SC2 in particular is extremely CPU-capped in battles or large-unit-count situations.
My suggestion would be either an i5 3570 + motherboard +4-8gb 1333/1600mhz RAM, or if you are on a tight budget, consider a Pentium G860 + Motherboard +4gb RAM and think about adding a powerful single graphics card like the 660ti to it. Most games wont gain much performance from going above 2 CPU cores, and intel is king of the performance-per-core market, but the G860 is 3ghz vs the 3570's 3.4ghz+turbo (and overclocking ability if you get unlocked version) and some games benefit some from having more cores avalible (gw2 in particular is the only game i know that will eat 4 and be hard CPU-capped) so its a touch weaker but still an amazing CPU.
Dont be fooled by clock speed = performance myth, the Pentium G860 is a dual core CPU running at 3ghz but still manages to double the per-core performance of the quad core Phenom 9850 and match its performance in other tasks with half as many cores
Thank you sir! That was the clarification I was afraid of. I'll definitely hold off on upgrading the GPU until I do the full system rebuild. I know that the bang for your buck is far better with the i5. Ultimately, I'm looking for another 4(or more hopefully) year build like the one I have currently. I'm willing to spend the money on something that will be competent for a long time, and would definitely get at least the i5 for the streaming possibilities.
Have a good day! Appreciate the help! (And oh my goodness does GW2 suck my comp dry as well. I had to lower my viewable distance to about about twice as far as I can throw...)
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United Kingdom20275 Posts
It murders everyone. Even the best CPU's cant get higher than ~40fps minimums with the game maxed in a normal situation
Dont worry about getting i7 for streaming if you thought of it, the 3570 can encode @ 720p60 or 1080p30 at veryfast x264 preset (standard use for streaming with xsplit, ffsplit, OBS) while playing any game on the market aside from literally guild wars 2 and nothing else that i know of (because it is so CPU heavy across 4+ cores) and most of your worry when streaming is on game performance, but adding hyperthreading (i7) does not help you at all there.
I'd look into building i5 with the strongest single GPU you can manage, SLI and Crossfire have a lot of issues (particularly crossfire) that can make gaming experience not as pleasant, so its best to stick to single. 1kw power supply is way overkill (you only need ~600-700 for two-way SLI with plenty of room to spare) so dont worry about that.
If you want to hang on til q2 2013 to grab Haswell i5 for the slightly better performance, go for that, maybe get a gtx 700 series or hd8000 series but i have no idea when they will be released or what performance/price changes they will bring.
Whenever you build, flagship i5 + strongest single GPU affordable will serve you well. Good day to you too and glad i could be of assistance (:
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Hi everyone, so I have a bit of a contradiction in what Speccy is telling me and what is physically visible on my laptop. Speccy tells me I have 4 slots of RAM, 2 of which are unused. Although when I physically open up my laptop I only see the 2 slots that are used. Was I supposed to open the laptop entirely or does the laptop have the potential to have 4 slots, but in reality only have 2?
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On November 23 2012 11:27 Alryk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 11:22 ROOTT1 wrote:On November 23 2012 10:37 Alryk wrote:GTX 660 is 30$ over at 230$ with a 20$ MIR (and free Assasins Creed III, although I'm not sure how much that matters to you) here. Below that, GTX 650 Ti is anywhere between 140-180$. 140$ option here: Link. Better options would probably be factory overclocked etc. Afaik, Nvidia has nothing in between the 650 Ti and the 660. And if you don't want AMD choices, you'd be stuck to one of those (650Ti will be below 7850, 660 probably above) Edit: GTX 660 vs AMD 7850GTX 650Ti vs AMD 7850650 Ti performs worse for an obviously lower price, while GTX 660 is basically better in every way for ~30$ more. i plan on returning the vid card anyways, all i need is a low wattage vid card that can run sc2 on medium/high. im testing my psu out to see if im having power issues with my current gpu(gtx 570, current psu is a seasonic x560) 570 probably draws more power than any kepler card, and definitely a 660. Why no 7850? And fwiw, that should be plenty for a single 570. You can pretty close to max SC2 with a GTX 650 (~95-110$). 650Ti would max it.
had driver issues with the 7850 (it would crash whenever i ran xsplit, streams would crash etc.). and did u mean that my psu is enough for my current card? anywho here are my specs, i was thinking that i needed something closer to 750w
gpu: EVGA GeForce GTX 570 Fermi 732MHZ 1280MB GDDR5
cpu: Intel Core i7 2600k (oc'ed to 4.2 ghz)
mobo: MSI Z77A-G43
ssd: Crucial M4 128gb
ram: Mushkin 2x4GB 1333MHz
heatsink: Noctua NH-D14
psu: Seasonic X560
hdd: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM
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On November 24 2012 05:07 ROOTT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 11:27 Alryk wrote:On November 23 2012 11:22 ROOTT1 wrote:On November 23 2012 10:37 Alryk wrote:GTX 660 is 30$ over at 230$ with a 20$ MIR (and free Assasins Creed III, although I'm not sure how much that matters to you) here. Below that, GTX 650 Ti is anywhere between 140-180$. 140$ option here: Link. Better options would probably be factory overclocked etc. Afaik, Nvidia has nothing in between the 650 Ti and the 660. And if you don't want AMD choices, you'd be stuck to one of those (650Ti will be below 7850, 660 probably above) Edit: GTX 660 vs AMD 7850GTX 650Ti vs AMD 7850650 Ti performs worse for an obviously lower price, while GTX 660 is basically better in every way for ~30$ more. i plan on returning the vid card anyways, all i need is a low wattage vid card that can run sc2 on medium/high. im testing my psu out to see if im having power issues with my current gpu(gtx 570, current psu is a seasonic x560) 570 probably draws more power than any kepler card, and definitely a 660. Why no 7850? And fwiw, that should be plenty for a single 570. You can pretty close to max SC2 with a GTX 650 (~95-110$). 650Ti would max it. had driver issues with the 7850 (it would crash whenever i ran xsplit, streams would crash etc.). and did u mean that my psu is enough for my current card? anywho here are my specs, i was thinking that i needed something closer to 750w gpu: EVGA GeForce GTX 570 Fermi 732MHZ 1280MB GDDR5 cpu: Intel Core i7 2600k (oc'ed to 4.2 ghz) mobo: MSI Z77A-G43 ssd: Crucial M4 128gb ram: Mushkin 2x4GB 1333MHz heatsink: Noctua NH-D14 psu: Seasonic X560 hdd: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM
No, a good 450W unit will be enough to power most if not all single GPU configuration. See here:
Power draw: A 570 draws 392W, and iirc Anandtech measures so that the power measured is higher than what is actually needed or something. Either way, your PSU should definitely be enough. (And I think they use an i7-3930K at 4.3 Ghz or something)
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On November 24 2012 06:42 Alryk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 05:07 ROOTT1 wrote:On November 23 2012 11:27 Alryk wrote:On November 23 2012 11:22 ROOTT1 wrote:On November 23 2012 10:37 Alryk wrote:GTX 660 is 30$ over at 230$ with a 20$ MIR (and free Assasins Creed III, although I'm not sure how much that matters to you) here. Below that, GTX 650 Ti is anywhere between 140-180$. 140$ option here: Link. Better options would probably be factory overclocked etc. Afaik, Nvidia has nothing in between the 650 Ti and the 660. And if you don't want AMD choices, you'd be stuck to one of those (650Ti will be below 7850, 660 probably above) Edit: GTX 660 vs AMD 7850GTX 650Ti vs AMD 7850650 Ti performs worse for an obviously lower price, while GTX 660 is basically better in every way for ~30$ more. i plan on returning the vid card anyways, all i need is a low wattage vid card that can run sc2 on medium/high. im testing my psu out to see if im having power issues with my current gpu(gtx 570, current psu is a seasonic x560) 570 probably draws more power than any kepler card, and definitely a 660. Why no 7850? And fwiw, that should be plenty for a single 570. You can pretty close to max SC2 with a GTX 650 (~95-110$). 650Ti would max it. had driver issues with the 7850 (it would crash whenever i ran xsplit, streams would crash etc.). and did u mean that my psu is enough for my current card? anywho here are my specs, i was thinking that i needed something closer to 750w gpu: EVGA GeForce GTX 570 Fermi 732MHZ 1280MB GDDR5 cpu: Intel Core i7 2600k (oc'ed to 4.2 ghz) mobo: MSI Z77A-G43 ssd: Crucial M4 128gb ram: Mushkin 2x4GB 1333MHz heatsink: Noctua NH-D14 psu: Seasonic X560 hdd: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM No, a good 450W unit will be enough to power most if not all single GPU configuration. See here: Power draw: A 570 draws 392W, and iirc Anandtech measures so that the power measured is higher than what is actually needed or something. Either way, your PSU should definitely be enough. (And I think they use an i7-3930K at 4.3 Ghz or something)
good deal? http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=76367&vpn=GTX660-DC2O-2GD5&manufacture=ASUS&promoid=1030
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Seems like it. I'm not too familiar with canadian prices but that's probably pretty similar to us, so a good deal.
Idt a 660 would be much of an upgrade over a 570 though fwiw.
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On November 24 2012 09:27 intrigue wrote:i took this thing out of my old desktop + Show Spoiler +Western Digital WD Blue WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive and i want to be able to browse through it on my laptop, preferably via usb. what is the easiest way for me to do this? will any sata to usb adapter work?
Assuming it's a decent one, yes. I personally kind of suggest grabbing an external enclosure for that unless you have a tendency to get summoned by friends to rescue their data a lot, that way you can keep using the HDD without as much risk of physical damage.
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You need something that can handle 3.5" drives and their power draw (all these will be AC powered, since USB power is not enough).
e.g. this
Note that the cheap ones like the above will have USB2 to connect to the computer, which severely bottlenecks the performance of large transfers. USB3 or some eSATA would be enough such that the drive itself is the bottleneck.
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Washington, D.C9933 Posts
thanks for the quick responses, i ordered what you linked myrmidon
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So I've got an older rig (an older P4, crammed it with 2GB of memory) I got for free from work a while back that I want to put windows XP on for my mom to use, but I'm having issues installing the OS.
I've set the only boot option in the BIOS as the DVD drive that I just ripped out of my mom's old desktop and put in this thing and could see that it recognized it, but when I boot it up it just tells me "DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER" no matter whether I use my known-working XP installation disc, Windows 7, etc. A bad DVD drive I assume?
I can't use my gaming desktop's DVD drive to test because it uses serial connectors and this old desktop's mobo only supports molex power and PATA HDD/CD+DVD connectors.
Before I go out of my way to find an older working CD drive, is it most likely in fact the DVD drive?
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