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sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-15 02:19:58
July 15 2012 02:07 GMT
#3521
so i'm really computer dumb and i was wondering: (i hope this is a simple question )

i have this old ass comp with windows XP and every time i boot it up i get this dumb black screen that says a whole bunch of confusing things:

Floppy Diskette seek failure
Strike F1 to continue or F2 to run the utility setup


and when i do press F1 it goes "beep" and then starts up. (i don't press F2 cause im worried it'll make it blow up or something, ive got a lot of important shit on this comp)

now this wouldn't be a problem normally except whenever i watch streams on TL or Hulu (but not GOMTV or Youtube for some reason) the comp will work for a while and then it will freeze and start going "beep...beep....beep... gzzzzzccht (repeat)" and then i have to shut it down manually by pulling the plug.

i'm wondering 1) does this black screen mean anything? and 2) does it have anything to do with the freezing problem?

(if this sounds stupid... sorry i am stupid.)

edit: huh, i never actually read the stupid prompt cause they are usually irrelevant as far as i can tell.
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
Nabutso
Profile Joined April 2011
351 Posts
July 15 2012 02:17 GMT
#3522
On July 15 2012 06:26 ShaunO wrote:
I am running a intel dual core g860 3.0ghz processor with 4gb of ram, until I can afford a nice GPU, I am running integrated graphics (i know, the horror). I can run sc2 fine on low graphics right now, but I was wondering, what other games are fun and run easily on intel's integrated HD graphics? thanks for your time!


Anything made by blizzard or valve should run fine on lower settings.

A ton of free MMOs should be easy enough aswell.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 16 2012 00:31 GMT
#3523
FML, fuck lightning, and thank whatever relevant deity for surge protectors.

As it turns out, lightning can still do damage if you have a surge protector, and I got damn lucky. Only lost SATA 6Gb and IDE when a nasty storm showed up while we were at the movies.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
July 16 2012 00:40 GMT
#3524
Do you really have a surge protector or just a power strip you plug everything into that says its a surge protector. because it isn't.

Also a surge protector doesnt protect against lightning bolts. Surge protectors protect against surges usually caused by your company turning the power back on. As power companies have advanced, surge protectors have typically gone out of style, at least in 1st world nations.
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 16 2012 00:41 GMT
#3525
Meh, maybe I should research surge protectors then. Mines probably the semi-fakey type, it's kinda old. But it claims it's a surge protector. Either way, I was damned lucky to only lose less than critical features.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
July 16 2012 00:46 GMT
#3526
Well lets hope you didnt get the touch of death that usually occurs with these things.

Either way, lightning bolts. Surge protectors are pretty good. But not Goddam lightning bolt good.
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 16 2012 00:49 GMT
#3527
Yeah. I was lucky as hell. Granted, windows repair doesn't like being on a different SATA port, so I'm having to reinstall windows, and finally had an excuse to ditch the retarded IDE DVD drive I've had too long.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
July 16 2012 00:51 GMT
#3528
I dont have any media drives. I was planning to install an IDE optical drive into this computer, but the motherboard had no place for it, so now I just have a hole there.
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Striker.superfreunde
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany1119 Posts
July 16 2012 00:53 GMT
#3529
On July 15 2012 11:07 sc2superfan101 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
so i'm really computer dumb and i was wondering: (i hope this is a simple question )

i have this old ass comp with windows XP and every time i boot it up i get this dumb black screen that says a whole bunch of confusing things:

Floppy Diskette seek failure
Strike F1 to continue or F2 to run the utility setup


and when i do press F1 it goes "beep" and then starts up. (i don't press F2 cause im worried it'll make it blow up or something, ive got a lot of important shit on this comp)

now this wouldn't be a problem normally except whenever i watch streams on TL or Hulu (but not GOMTV or Youtube for some reason) the comp will work for a while and then it will freeze and start going "beep...beep....beep... gzzzzzccht (repeat)" and then i have to shut it down manually by pulling the plug.

i'm wondering 1) does this black screen mean anything? and 2) does it have anything to do with the freezing problem?

(if this sounds stupid... sorry i am stupid.)

edit: huh, i never actually read the stupid prompt cause they are usually irrelevant as far as i can tell.


You should unplug your 3,5" disk drive, if the pc has one. Also, you could try to disable all booting devices expect your windows hdd and maybe cd/dvd.
You could unplug the powercable off them as well.

If the problem continues, probablly your booting hdd/windows installation is defective.
'Your ak is pretty... uhm... dank!'
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 16 2012 00:59 GMT
#3530
I thought surge protectors (well the ones with any such electronics, that aren't just power strips) helped with voltage spikes from lightning strikes? Some may have more energy than the surge protector can handle though.

The components wear out over time, reducing spikes over the years, so if you have an old one that just had to deal with a large surge, you should probably get a new one.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 16 2012 01:05 GMT
#3531
On July 16 2012 09:59 Myrmidon wrote:
I thought surge protectors (well the ones with any such electronics, that aren't just power strips) helped with voltage spikes from lightning strikes? Some may have more energy than the surge protector can handle though.

The components wear out over time, reducing spikes over the years, so if you have an old one that just had to deal with a large surge, you should probably get a new one.


I'm fairly confident it at least didn't hurt. But yeah, I'ma replace it. Just glad I only lost non-critical features. My boot SSD will be a touch slower, but that's net loss.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
July 16 2012 01:06 GMT
#3532
I dunno. Considering that your average lightning bolt is like a billion volts and up to 100,000 amps, I can't imagine any electronic store dithering that much should it decide to ground through your house.

Usually we just ground it away from us with cages and whatnot, surge protectors are a more bruteforce solution.
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 16 2012 01:09 GMT
#3533
On July 16 2012 10:06 Medrea wrote:
I dunno. Considering that your average lightning bolt is like a billion volts and up to 100,000 amps, I can't imagine any electronic store dithering that much should it decide to ground through your house.

Usually we just ground it away from us with cages and whatnot, surge protectors are a more bruteforce solution.


I don't expect it to stop it completely, but I'm at least reasonably certain it didn't step the amperage up any, and since I lost some shit, and not a ton of shit, I'ma assume paying $8 for a new one is the better alternative than potentially buying a new mobo next time it happens.

Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 16 2012 01:19 GMT
#3534
It's been a while, but I thought lightning bolts were pretty much current sources (a large charge differential builds up, and then suddenly a lot of charge carriers start moving to correct that difference). You're just looking at controlling the current path so ideally if any is coming your way, the vast majority takes a path to ground that doesn't involve going through any of your electronics.

Thousands of amps shouldn't be a problem if they're going through something with very low impedance, like hopefully the MOVs in a surge protector during a strike. It's not like the lightning is going to strike directly into your home AC wiring and nowhere else, so whatever the electronics see is not going to be the entire energy of the strike.


btw JH, "stop" is maybe the colloquial and accepted description for the action, but it's probably better to put it another way. They're supposed to be avoiding (stopping? I guess) damage by redirecting the current elsewhere.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 01:26:21
July 16 2012 01:21 GMT
#3535
The 8 dollar ones dont do shit. Not even for actual power surges.

For lightning bolts.
http://stormhighway.com/surge_protectors_ups_lightning_protection_myth.shtml

Its a common myth that you can get protection from an actual strike of lighting. You might think that a device that physically disconnects when overloaded would help but the simple truth is that a strike is so ridiculous the only way to have protection is to unplug all of your devices in a lightning storm.


On July 16 2012 10:19 Myrmidon wrote:
It's been a while, but I thought lightning bolts were pretty much current sources (a large charge differential builds up, and then suddenly a lot of charge carriers start moving to correct that difference). You're just looking at controlling the current path so ideally if any is coming your way, the vast majority takes a path to ground that doesn't involve going through any of your electronics.

Thousands of amps shouldn't be a problem if they're going through something with very low impedance, like hopefully the MOVs in a surge protector during a strike. It's not like the lightning is going to strike directly into your home AC wiring and nowhere else, so whatever the electronics see is not going to be the entire energy of the strike.


btw JH, "stop" is maybe the colloquial and accepted description for the action, but it's probably better to put it another way. They're supposed to be avoiding (stopping? I guess) damage by redirecting the current elsewhere.


Lightning really likes to take one path to the earth. The branching out is sort of different.



Lightning does this thing where the branches stretch out. The first one to find the earth wins and everything pours into that one lane.

And yeah you can attempt to redirect the potential difference to somewhere else but this is a billion volts of potential difference. Lots of basic computer parts break at 2 volts. You would have to dither 999,999,998 volts -.-
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 16 2012 01:39 GMT
#3536
At $8 I wouldn't expect much either (I'd get something a little better), but there's a key difference in phrasing: I said "helped" and whatever random article that is says that "nothing can guarantee absolute protection."

Just because the equipment can't protect the electronics from damage in every situation, or even most really bad ones, doesn't mean that it's not helping. Redirecting more current means less going through your stuff. There should be cases where the "less going through your stuff" is enough to make a difference.

And even with everything disconnected, you can still have plenty of energy arc through the air from a wall socket and go through your electronics anyway.


Also, it depends on the type of surge protection, but many won't really do much of anything about spikes from the utility company switching stuff on and off, because the voltages there are not sufficiently high enough. e.g. an MOV in this application won't conduct much until a much higher voltage than the nominal.


I said that the lightning wouldn't strike directly into your AC wiring (unless your lightning rod is connected to that instead of the ground), not that it doesn't take a single path down. It would more likely strike something else, but a significant amount of current would still be entering the home via some inlet.
xeo1
Profile Joined October 2011
United States429 Posts
July 16 2012 01:41 GMT
#3537
anyone know what the song playing was when stephano won nasl 3?? it was like tututu tu tutu etc.
EdenPLusDucky
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
571 Posts
July 16 2012 02:19 GMT
#3538
On July 16 2012 10:41 xeo1 wrote:
anyone know what the song playing was when stephano won nasl 3?? it was like tututu tu tutu etc.


"It was a dance remix of Midnight City by M83"

Also this is probably the wrong place to be asking this.
Samba
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany452 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 04:08:26
July 16 2012 03:57 GMT
#3539
Hey guys, can anyone tell me if i can run this card ( http://www.gigabyte.de/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4007#ov ) with my current power supply or if i have to upgrade?

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Is the 450 W really necessary?
Because if i remember correct i´ve seen a test with a much bigger system than mine and it never took over 300 something W.
But maybe im wrong and don´t really have a clue about PS...

Rest of my specs are:

Fujitsu Siemens Mainboard: MS-7504
Intel Core 2 Quad Q 8300 2.5 GHz
4 gb ddr2 ram
1000gb harddrive
DVD/CD burner
Win7 64bit

Let me know if you need anything else.
RIP Geoff “iNcontroL" Robinson, September 11, 1985 - July 20, 2019
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 16 2012 04:39 GMT
#3540
Yeah, it will be fine, easily. You just need to find the connectors and adapters to plug in both 6-pin power connectors into the video card.
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