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I'm confused as to the problem. What bitrates do you guys suggest I stream at?
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Canada63 Posts
Rig: i7 980 Hex-core(OC to 4 GHz) 6 GB Corsair Vengence DDR3 1600 8-8-8-24 EVGA GTX 580 Internet: I'm confused as to the problem. What bitrates do you guys suggest I stream at? | ||
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HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
On September 11 2011 12:04 ElmoTheBigRedMonster wrote: + Show Spoiler + My stream is very laggy, the stream goes for 3-5 seconds then freezes for 3-5 seconds. I'm using XSplit. My resolution is 1920x1080 and I'm streaming at 1280x720 at 30 FPS. My settings are: quality 10, vbv max bitrate 2000, vbv buffer 2000. I know it's not my rig, since when I streaming, my CPU usage is only around 50%. I don't feel any lag at all. Rig: i7 980 Hex-core(OC to 4 GHz) 6 GB Corsair Vengence DDR3 1600 8-8-8-24 EVGA GTX 580 Internet: I'm confused as to the problem. What bitrates do you guys suggest I stream at? Your settings look fine for a 720p stream (bitrate is in the upper threshold but should be fine). I assume you're using the 'default preset'?. There are a few posts lately that messing around with the buffer may help (some say use 1/4th of the bitrate, some say x4 the bitrate) - this is still very new to me, but I guess it can't hurt to try. Your hardware looks fine too, but don't be fooled by the 50% CPU usage. I have found that it is quite tricky to measure real usage when it comes to XSplit+SC2. I'd like you to try this: Record a local recording - is it lagging? What kind of FPS do you have ingame during streaming? Lower your desktop resolution to 1280x720 and try that out (while streaming) If nothing proves to work out, you could try FME - there are examples on this forum of people having more luck with that (well, also vice versa). | ||
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HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
On September 11 2011 10:45 Pisko. wrote: I don't know what I'm doing wrong but everything above 2000kbps has extreme amounts of lag. I really don't think it's my computer or my internet since both are pretty good. Post more information - it's impossible to help when you don't share necessary information. + Show Spoiler + Streaming software used (Xsplit? FMLE? VAC? SCFH? VhScrCap?) CPU type/speed and amount of RAM (eg: Core i5 2500k 3.3 GHz, 4GB RAM). Not sure? Use CPUz. Windows version (eg: Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit) Download / upload speed as measured by www.speedtest.net to California, USA (eg 15000 down / 5250 up kbps) and ping, packet loss and jitter as measured by www.pingtest.net to California, USA. Connection type - wired / wireless? Settings used in all your streaming software (take a screenshot if you're lazy - you can upload screenshots directly to TL using the 'upload image' link when making a post). Make sure at very minimum the following information is available / visible: Resolution, bitrate, frame rate (fps), quality options. Make note NOT to show your stream ID / key, as this is private data that lets anyone stream to your channel. Streaming service used (eg: Justin.TV, UStream, own3d, etc) If posting about video issues or something visible, a link to a recording / VOD of the problem exhibiting itself. Almost all streaming services auto-record VODs, so link to the VOD where you had problems. | ||
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Pisko.
United States214 Posts
On September 11 2011 14:24 HellGreen wrote: Post more information - it's impossible to help when you don't share necessary information. + Show Spoiler + Streaming software used (Xsplit? FMLE? VAC? SCFH? VhScrCap?) CPU type/speed and amount of RAM (eg: Core i5 2500k 3.3 GHz, 4GB RAM). Not sure? Use CPUz. Windows version (eg: Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit) Download / upload speed as measured by www.speedtest.net to California, USA (eg 15000 down / 5250 up kbps) and ping, packet loss and jitter as measured by www.pingtest.net to California, USA. Connection type - wired / wireless? Settings used in all your streaming software (take a screenshot if you're lazy - you can upload screenshots directly to TL using the 'upload image' link when making a post). Make sure at very minimum the following information is available / visible: Resolution, bitrate, frame rate (fps), quality options. Make note NOT to show your stream ID / key, as this is private data that lets anyone stream to your channel. Streaming service used (eg: Justin.TV, UStream, own3d, etc) If posting about video issues or something visible, a link to a recording / VOD of the problem exhibiting itself. Almost all streaming services auto-record VODs, so link to the VOD where you had problems. Thanks for the reply. Had to spoiler my post because it's a lot. + Show Spoiler + XSplit (not sure if it matters but I use the "Add game" option) i7 920@3.2Ghz 6GB RAM 1600 Windows 7 Ultimate ![[image loading]](http://www.speedtest.net/result/1477055939.png) ![[image loading]](http://www.pingtest.net/result/46717499.png) Wired This is where it gets weird: http://twitch.tv/piskoooooo/b/294707518 768x432 60 FPS Preset: Default Quality: 7 Max Bitrate: 8000 Buffer: 2000 Audio Format: 44.100 KHz Stereo Bitrate: 64000 Never used to lag. http://twitch.tv/piskoooooo/b/294703210 1280x720 60 FPS Preset: Default Quality: 7 Max Bitrate: 8000 Buffer: 2000 Audio Format: 44.100 KHz Stereo Bitrate: 64000 Never used to lag. Now neither work and I have to use: http://twitch.tv/piskoooooo/b/294788250 768x432 60 FPS Preset: Medium Quality: 10 Max Bitrate: 2500 Buffer: 625 Audio Format: 44.100 KHz Stereo Bitrate: 64000 Normally I'd be fine with it but I'm pretty sure my computer can do much better than that. Also I want to keep it at 60FPS or as close as possible because I mainly play games like CoD and MvC3 which need it IMO. | ||
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HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
On September 11 2011 17:49 Pisko. wrote: Thanks for the reply. Had to spoiler my post because it's a lot. + Show Spoiler + XSplit (not sure if it matters but I use the "Add game" option) i7 920@3.2Ghz 6GB RAM 1600 Windows 7 Ultimate This is where it gets weird: http://twitch.tv/piskoooooo/b/294707518 768x432 60 FPS Preset: Default Quality: 7 Max Bitrate: 8000 Buffer: 2000 Audio Format: 44.100 KHz Stereo Bitrate: 64000 Never used to lag. http://twitch.tv/piskoooooo/b/294703210 1280x720 60 FPS Preset: Default Quality: 7 Max Bitrate: 8000 Buffer: 2000 Audio Format: 44.100 KHz Stereo Bitrate: 64000 Never used to lag. Now neither work and I have to use: http://twitch.tv/piskoooooo/b/294788250 768x432 60 FPS Preset: Medium Quality: 10 Max Bitrate: 2500 Buffer: 625 Audio Format: 44.100 KHz Stereo Bitrate: 64000 Normally I'd be fine with it but I'm pretty sure my computer can do much better than that. Also I want to keep it at 60FPS or as close as possible because I mainly play games like CoD and MvC3 which need it IMO. It used to work, but suddenly it started to lag? Can you think of anything that have changed? Your ISP? Your computer (drivers/software)? Obviously XSplit is updated now and then  a) Your settings in the first two examples say 8000 kbit/s, but your internet is 4800 kbit/s. That doesn't compute at all. Also for the initial tests let the buffer be what the app suggests (usually x2 of the bitrate) b) The 60 FPS is for the stream, not your game. 30 FPS is more than enough for the viewers. This will mean a lot regarding lag, as only about half the amount of data needs to be transferred. For a 720p set your bitrate to 2000 (buffer 4000), 30FPS, Preset=Default, Quality=10. For a 480p set your bitrate to 750, 30FPS, Preset=Default, Quality=10. Test those settings, and if you still lag, do a local recording. What is your desktop resolution? Try setting it to 720p and repeat the above. What kind of FPS do you have ingame while streaming? Is your CPU load high? Are you running software like P2P (ie. Spotify) while streaming? Is anyone else using your internet while your'e streaming? And I'd really suggest setting your audio bitrate to 128.000 (no reason not to) | ||
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MoSiE
Sweden14 Posts
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HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
On September 12 2011 02:04 MoSiE wrote: When I make a local recordning, everything is fine. But I have fps spikes when streaming live. What settings would adjust that? (I'm using xsplit) Maybe your computer isn't fast enough. Post more information - it's impossible to help when you don't share necessary information. + Show Spoiler + Streaming software used (Xsplit? FMLE? VAC? SCFH? VhScrCap?) CPU type/speed and amount of RAM (eg: Core i5 2500k 3.3 GHz, 4GB RAM). Not sure? Use CPUz. Windows version (eg: Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit) Download / upload speed as measured by www.speedtest.net to California, USA (eg 15000 down / 5250 up kbps) and ping, packet loss and jitter as measured by www.pingtest.net to California, USA. Connection type - wired / wireless? Settings used in all your streaming software (take a screenshot if you're lazy - you can upload screenshots directly to TL using the 'upload image' link when making a post). Make sure at very minimum the following information is available / visible: Resolution, bitrate, frame rate (fps), quality options. Make note NOT to show your stream ID / key, as this is private data that lets anyone stream to your channel. Streaming service used (eg: Justin.TV, UStream, own3d, etc) If posting about video issues or something visible, a link to a recording / VOD of the problem exhibiting itself. Almost all streaming services auto-record VODs, so link to the VOD where you had problems. | ||
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Pisko.
United States214 Posts
On September 12 2011 01:04 HellGreen wrote: It used to work, but suddenly it started to lag? Can you think of anything that have changed? Your ISP? Your computer (drivers/software)? Obviously XSplit is updated now and then a) Your settings in the first two examples say 8000 kbit/s, but your internet is 4800 kbit/s. That doesn't compute at all. Also for the initial tests let the buffer be what the app suggests (usually x2 of the bitrate) b) The 60 FPS is for the stream, not your game. 30 FPS is more than enough for the viewers. This will mean a lot regarding lag, as only about half the amount of data needs to be transferred. For a 720p set your bitrate to 2000 (buffer 4000), 30FPS, Preset=Default, Quality=10. For a 480p set your bitrate to 750, 30FPS, Preset=Default, Quality=10. Test those settings, and if you still lag, do a local recording. What is your desktop resolution? Try setting it to 720p and repeat the above. What kind of FPS do you have ingame while streaming? Is your CPU load high? Are you running software like P2P (ie. Spotify) while streaming? Is anyone else using your internet while your'e streaming? And I'd really suggest setting your audio bitrate to 128.000 (no reason not to) I may have fixed the problem. It got to the point where even really low quality streaming (like 1000 kbps) would lag, so I decided to restart my computer, restart my modem, run CCleaner, and now I can use my old settings. I think it might have been because my IP address changed and sometimes that can really mess up my connection. I'll go from having normal speeds to not even being able to load 30 second YouTube videos. I've noticed when I (try to) stream 720p my in game fps drops and the game actually lags a little, also my CPU usage is always around 90-100%. When I stream 480p the game is always at 60fps like it's supposed to be and my CPU usage is around 40% max. Because of that I'm going to try to just work on getting the most out of 480p. It's not really that much worse, just a little fuzzy/blurry looking. My desktop res is 1920x1200 and I usually play games at 1280x720 if I'm going to stream them. In Black Ops I get 60fps which is the max unless you use console commands I think. The only things I ever have running are MSE, AIM, Firefox, XSplit, Steam, and whatever game I'm streaming. My mom plays Farmville and browses Facebook, that's about it. Just switched to 128000, thanks. | ||
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HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
On September 12 2011 07:01 Pisko. wrote: I've noticed when I (try to) stream 720p my in game fps drops and the game actually lags a little, also my CPU usage is always around 90-100%. When I stream 480p the game is always at 60fps like it's supposed to be and my CPU usage is around 40% max. Thanks for the update Always nice to know when and how a problem got solved.The above quote is very accurately describing my experience with XSplit. I think a lot of people mistakenly thinks, that as long as the CPU isn't maxed, you can up the resolution/bitrate/framerate as you please. This is not always the case. You oftentimes will hit the limit way before 100%. If your have low FPS because the CPU isn't the fastest/newest anymore, playing in the same resolution as you stream, is really smart. It eases quite a lot of the CPU stress, since it doesn't have to resize the frames, only compress them (that and the frames are physically smaller). | ||
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Desires
Canada63 Posts
On September 11 2011 14:20 HellGreen wrote: Your settings look fine for a 720p stream (bitrate is in the upper threshold but should be fine). I assume you're using the 'default preset'?. There are a few posts lately that messing around with the buffer may help (some say use 1/4th of the bitrate, some say x4 the bitrate) - this is still very new to me, but I guess it can't hurt to try. Your hardware looks fine too, but don't be fooled by the 50% CPU usage. I have found that it is quite tricky to measure real usage when it comes to XSplit+SC2. I'd like you to try this: Record a local recording - is it lagging? What kind of FPS do you have ingame during streaming? Lower your desktop resolution to 1280x720 and try that out (while streaming) If nothing proves to work out, you could try FME - there are examples on this forum of people having more luck with that (well, also vice versa). I tried what you said. When I record locally, I get 100-120 (I capped it at 120). When I'm streaming I get a solid 120. I set my bitrate to 2000 and buffer to 500 and this is what happened: http://www.twitch.tv/desirelive/b/294778206 | ||
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HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
On September 12 2011 10:12 ElmoTheBigRedMonster wrote: I tried what you said. When I record locally, I get 100-120 (I capped it at 120). When I'm streaming I get a solid 120. I set my bitrate to 2000 and buffer to 500 and this is what happened: http://www.twitch.tv/desirelive/b/294778206 But is there lag (frame skipping) in the locally recorded VOD? Open it and play it. You didn't try changing the desktop resolution yet. Also try to stream in 480p for reference. Edit: Oh, do try a different streaming provider as well. At the moment though, I suspect your internet connection more than your computer (which is quite beastly). | ||
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Desires
Canada63 Posts
On September 12 2011 10:46 HellGreen wrote: But is there lag (frame skipping) in the locally recorded VOD? Open it and play it. You didn't try changing the desktop resolution yet. Also try to stream in 480p for reference. Edit: Oh, do try a different streaming provider as well. At the moment though, I suspect your internet connection more than your computer (which is quite beastly). The recording is silky smooth, I've tried the resolution change before, but no luck. I'll try streaming on own3d and see what happens. | ||
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xrayEU
Sweden571 Posts
Rig: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Radeon HD4870 1GB DDR3 1600MHz 4GB Intel 320 SSD Should i invest in a new GFX and or new CPU or maybe a brand new rig for better quality and flawless streaming? I would like to stream in 720p so i think an upgrade is necessary. | ||
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HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
On September 12 2011 17:33 poofie wrote: You guys seems to have good knowledge of streaming rigs so maybe you could give me some advice for upgrades for my rig since it´s a bit laggy. Rig: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Radeon HD4870 1GB DDR3 1600MHz 4GB Intel 320 SSD Should i invest in a new GFX and or new CPU or maybe a brand new rig for better quality and flawless streaming? I would like to stream in 720p so i think an upgrade is necessary. CPU is everything when it comes to streaming. But I'm quite sure you just need to adjust your stream settings. Please post relevant information that is needed to give you advice. + Show Spoiler + Streaming software used (Xsplit? FMLE? VAC? SCFH? VhScrCap?) CPU type/speed and amount of RAM (eg: Core i5 2500k 3.3 GHz, 4GB RAM). Not sure? Use CPUz. Windows version (eg: Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit) Download / upload speed as measured by www.speedtest.net to California, USA (eg 15000 down / 5250 up kbps) and ping, packet loss and jitter as measured by www.pingtest.net to California, USA. Connection type - wired / wireless? Settings used in all your streaming software (take a screenshot if you're lazy - you can upload screenshots directly to TL using the 'upload image' link when making a post). Make sure at very minimum the following information is available / visible: Resolution, bitrate, frame rate (fps), quality options. Make note NOT to show your stream ID / key, as this is private data that lets anyone stream to your channel. Streaming service used (eg: Justin.TV, UStream, own3d, etc) If posting about video issues or something visible, a link to a recording / VOD of the problem exhibiting itself. Almost all streaming services auto-record VODs, so link to the VOD where you had problems. It you really want a new rig, look here for advice: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226074 | ||
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Node
United States2159 Posts
I've got an i5 2500k overclocked to 4.5GHz, 8GB of 1333MHz RAM, an NVidia GTX 560 Ti graphics card. My monitor's resolution is 1440x900, but I'm streaming in 1280x720. Processor load rarely rises above 30% when I'm in-game. Temperatures are fine. I'm wired right to the modem (or whatever the proper term is for Thing-That-Gives-Internet-That's-Not-The-Router). No firewalls. I'm using the basic recommended setup for a 720p stream. (bitrate to 2000, buffer 4000, 30FPS, Preset=Default, Quality=10, audio bitrate at 128k) Here's my speedtest results from Seattle to LA: ![[image loading]](http://www.speedtest.net/result/1480010325.png) Here's a recording of my stream. As mentioned above, the skipping issues don't show until I'm in-game. http://www.twitch.tv/iamnode/b/294951305 Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks! | ||
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Nereites
Canada102 Posts
Try switching your Justin.tv location from "default" to "main origin cluster" I did the same and it fixed my problem, which is similar to what you are describing Source of fix: http://www.xsplit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1752 It has to be something on Xsplit's end. In short, a lot of people recently with very good computers and internet connection have no in-game problems but the stream is lagging really bad. A current workaround may be what I posted above. I think HellGreen mentioned he had on what might be wrong in the thread I am referring too (link below) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264874 I hope Xsplit fixes this soon | ||
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Canada486 Posts
Please discuss it in this thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=265107 i am on a 20gb cap limit per week, not per month and am wondering how much i can stream sc2 because im kind of required to! | ||
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Node
United States2159 Posts
On September 13 2011 13:26 K.Stoyles wrote: Ok I just posted this in another thread (link below) and I suspect its also answer to the above problem Try switching your Justin.tv location from "default" to "main origin cluster" I did the same and it fixed my problem, which is similar to what you are describing Source of fix: http://www.xsplit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1752 It has to be something on Xsplit's end. In short, a lot of people recently with very good computers and internet connection have no in-game problems but the stream is lagging really bad. A current workaround may be what I posted above. I think HellGreen mentioned he had on what might be wrong in the thread I am referring too (link below) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264874 I hope Xsplit fixes this soon Holy crap, this worked like a charm. Thank you very much. I'll be back if it was just coincidence.  | ||
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Goodseed
Korea (South)270 Posts
It should split after like 2 hrs but my videos keep splitting at like early time ( 1-10 min) | ||
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Pisko.
United States214 Posts
On September 12 2011 07:18 HellGreen wrote: Thanks for the update Always nice to know when and how a problem got solved.The above quote is very accurately describing my experience with XSplit. I think a lot of people mistakenly thinks, that as long as the CPU isn't maxed, you can up the resolution/bitrate/framerate as you please. This is not always the case. You oftentimes will hit the limit way before 100%. If your have low FPS because the CPU isn't the fastest/newest anymore, playing in the same resolution as you stream, is really smart. It eases quite a lot of the CPU stress, since it doesn't have to resize the frames, only compress them (that and the frames are physically smaller). Thanks for all the help, every things been running great so far! | ||
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