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On October 16 2012 20:52 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 20:15 Razac wrote:
I have a few Questions,
Today when I arrive home from work my new mouse the: Razor Abyssus should have arrived. Now I've been reading allot on mouse sensitivity, grips, hardware acceleration etc. But these guides leave me with some questions.
1. Should I adjust the ingame cursor sensitivity, Windows cursor sensitivity or the one related to mouse hardware itself?
2. Are the above mouse sensitivity settings all called DPI?
Any tips on how to make my mouse more optimal would be welcome! I don’t have much experience with them mice, I now have a Logitech G9 but its old and hardware problems start occurring.
The only setting I ever changed where hardware acceleration so ye anything else to increase my mouse experience xD would be nice ^_-
Your starcraft 2 sensitivity should be disabled, and windows should be at 6/11 notch with enhanced pointer precision box unchecked. Use DPI and nothing else as your sensitivity setting. (Id recommend picking a setting from ~ 400-1000dpi and sticking with it) DPI is the singular "sensitivity" setting for mice, a few factors like acceleration aside, other settings just multiply that and with them set correctly (no multiplication or skipping/interpolation) any 1000dpi mouse will move the cursor at the exact same speed. There are slight differences in practice but nothing really worth mentioning. Go look for the other mouse thread with all the info :D
Thanks man!
My Razer Abyssus has 2 silders:
1. 450, 1800, 3800 dpi
2. 125, 1000 mhz
Now i understand dpi, i'm currently using 1800 and its close to what i was used to with my G9. But i do not understand the mhz thingy? I've put it on 1000 but i've no clue what it stands for / does.
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The 1000 mhz is also called polling rate and tells you how fast your mouse is communicating with the PC.
In theory 1000 mhz should be 7 times faster than standard speed (125mhz is standard). However the difference we are talking about here is 7 milli seconds ... So some people argue you won't notice the difference (but some say you do!).
However, you should enable this 1000 mhz option in windows before it actually works on your mouse. Some mousedrivers automatically do this, but I think most don't. There are some patches on the web, but nothing official.
Additionally, the quality of the motherboard can be an issue as well, since not all (cheap) motherboards support 1000mhz polling of their USB ports... (I thought?)
I think you can check this easily in either your BIOS or your motherboard manual.
My advice: Unless you are a progamer, leave the setting at 125mhz (default).
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Can anyone help me pick out a new mouse?
1. What's your grip style?
I believe it's claw
2. What's your sensitivity?
medium/high
3. What's your maximum budget?
$100
4. Do you want additional buttons?
Unneccessary, just the left and right click would do just fine
5. What games do you play?
Starcraft 2
6. Do you mind angle snapping?
Not sure what that means
7. Other relevant information:
The mouse i'm using now is a razer orochi, I've been using ambidextrious type mouses for awhile now and have become adapted to it, I prefer a more small type of mouse in terms of size compared to much larger ones like the deathadder. Nothing too fancy or complex looking like that RAT series. Braided chords are a plus as well as long length (orochi has short length). Nice, light and smooth. Easily adjustable for comfort if possible
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On October 17 2012 19:26 Razac wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 20:52 Cyro wrote:On October 16 2012 20:15 Razac wrote:
I have a few Questions,
Today when I arrive home from work my new mouse the: Razor Abyssus should have arrived. Now I've been reading allot on mouse sensitivity, grips, hardware acceleration etc. But these guides leave me with some questions.
1. Should I adjust the ingame cursor sensitivity, Windows cursor sensitivity or the one related to mouse hardware itself?
2. Are the above mouse sensitivity settings all called DPI?
Any tips on how to make my mouse more optimal would be welcome! I don’t have much experience with them mice, I now have a Logitech G9 but its old and hardware problems start occurring.
The only setting I ever changed where hardware acceleration so ye anything else to increase my mouse experience xD would be nice ^_-
Your starcraft 2 sensitivity should be disabled, and windows should be at 6/11 notch with enhanced pointer precision box unchecked. Use DPI and nothing else as your sensitivity setting. (Id recommend picking a setting from ~ 400-1000dpi and sticking with it) DPI is the singular "sensitivity" setting for mice, a few factors like acceleration aside, other settings just multiply that and with them set correctly (no multiplication or skipping/interpolation) any 1000dpi mouse will move the cursor at the exact same speed. There are slight differences in practice but nothing really worth mentioning. Go look for the other mouse thread with all the info :D Thanks man! My Razer Abyssus has 2 silders: 1. 450, 1800, 3800 dpi 2. 125, 1000 mhz Now i understand dpi, i'm currently using 1800 and its close to what i was used to with my G9. But i do not understand the mhz thingy? I've put it on 1000 but i've no clue what it stands for / does.
If you read this you should be able to understand what all the technical stuff means: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333648
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On October 17 2012 19:26 Razac wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 20:52 Cyro wrote:On October 16 2012 20:15 Razac wrote:
I have a few Questions,
Today when I arrive home from work my new mouse the: Razor Abyssus should have arrived. Now I've been reading allot on mouse sensitivity, grips, hardware acceleration etc. But these guides leave me with some questions.
1. Should I adjust the ingame cursor sensitivity, Windows cursor sensitivity or the one related to mouse hardware itself?
2. Are the above mouse sensitivity settings all called DPI?
Any tips on how to make my mouse more optimal would be welcome! I don’t have much experience with them mice, I now have a Logitech G9 but its old and hardware problems start occurring.
The only setting I ever changed where hardware acceleration so ye anything else to increase my mouse experience xD would be nice ^_-
Your starcraft 2 sensitivity should be disabled, and windows should be at 6/11 notch with enhanced pointer precision box unchecked. Use DPI and nothing else as your sensitivity setting. (Id recommend picking a setting from ~ 400-1000dpi and sticking with it) DPI is the singular "sensitivity" setting for mice, a few factors like acceleration aside, other settings just multiply that and with them set correctly (no multiplication or skipping/interpolation) any 1000dpi mouse will move the cursor at the exact same speed. There are slight differences in practice but nothing really worth mentioning. Go look for the other mouse thread with all the info :D Thanks man! My Razer Abyssus has 2 silders: 1. 450, 1800, 3800 dpi 2. 125, 1000 mhz Now i understand dpi, i'm currently using 1800 and its close to what i was used to with my G9. But i do not understand the mhz thingy? I've put it on 1000 but i've no clue what it stands for / does.
125 & 1000 mhz refers to polling rate. Basically, how often your mouse sends new data to the computer about where it is. Pulling random inaccurate numbers out of a bag, it's something like: 125mhz updates your mouse information roughly every 1/125th of a second, 1000mhz updates your mouse information every 1/1000th a second. You should always set this to the highest setting, which is 1000mhz for most mice. So far as I know, there's never any reason for the lower setting.
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I have a quick question guys :D
Can you bind alt and ctrl to mouse macro keys?
Thanks in advance 
EDIT: oh, and if so how?
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Generally through the mouse driver. For instance, using the driver for my Mionix Naos 3200, I changed one of the buttons below my mouse wheel to 'h' (my warp-gate hotkey) rather than its earlier function. Pressing that button is the same as typing 'h' on my keyboard. hhhh (You can't see it, but those 4 'h''s were typed with my mouse.) Now I don't know if alt or ctrl will work in the same manner, as those buttons be held down in addition to just activated. But it'll probably work as long as your mouse driver has that function.
Edit: I should note that macro buttons are frowned on for competitive play (illegal in tourneys). I don't consider my change a macro button, as it maintains the "one physical action, one command" paradigm rather than the "one physical action, multiple commands" paradigm of most macros. Presumably you just want to set control groups without reaching for CTRL with your pinky. Dunno how that would be taken by tourneys.
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On October 18 2012 12:54 MisterFred wrote:
Generally through the mouse driver. For instance, using the driver for my Mionix Naos 3200, I changed one of the buttons below my mouse wheel to 'h' (my warp-gate hotkey) rather than its earlier function. Pressing that button is the same as typing 'h' on my keyboard. hhhh (You can't see it, but those 4 'h''s were typed with my mouse.) Now I don't know if alt or ctrl will work in the same manner, as those buttons be held down in addition to just activated. But it'll probably work as long as your mouse driver has that function.
Edit: I should note that macro buttons are frowned on for competitive play (illegal in tourneys). I don't consider my change a macro button, as it maintains the "one physical action, one command" paradigm rather than the "one physical action, multiple commands" paradigm of most macros. Presumably you just want to set control groups without reaching for CTRL with your pinky. Dunno how that would be taken by tourneys.
Thanks for the answer! My use is basically the same as yours, ctrl+(x) to make a screen hotkey and then alt+(x) to recall.
I think its legal O_o
EDIT: It's just my hotkey setup is a grid and its kinda hard to hit alt unless I let go of the mouse. I also have the choice between a mouse and a keyboard as my birthday present and am prolly going to go with the mouse now. Thanks again for the advice
EDIT2: btw toss is imba ;p
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i may add to the polling rate discussion. not every mouse runs smooth with 1000hz, for example microsoft intelli explorer runs smoother with 500hz. so, dont blindly trust these good meant tipps, and test it on your own. in my experience, my logitech g9x runs smoothest at 333hz, on my pc with my settings even though it has the option to run at 1000hz. but i feel some more acceleration there. 333hz feels most like 1/1. windows acceleration etc all disabled.
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On October 18 2012 13:51 Kazahk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 12:54 MisterFred wrote:
Generally through the mouse driver. For instance, using the driver for my Mionix Naos 3200, I changed one of the buttons below my mouse wheel to 'h' (my warp-gate hotkey) rather than its earlier function. Pressing that button is the same as typing 'h' on my keyboard. hhhh (You can't see it, but those 4 'h''s were typed with my mouse.) Now I don't know if alt or ctrl will work in the same manner, as those buttons be held down in addition to just activated. But it'll probably work as long as your mouse driver has that function.
Edit: I should note that macro buttons are frowned on for competitive play (illegal in tourneys). I don't consider my change a macro button, as it maintains the "one physical action, one command" paradigm rather than the "one physical action, multiple commands" paradigm of most macros. Presumably you just want to set control groups without reaching for CTRL with your pinky. Dunno how that would be taken by tourneys. Thanks for the answer! My use is basically the same as yours, ctrl+(x) to make a screen hotkey and then alt+(x) to recall. I think its legal O_o EDIT: It's just my hotkey setup is a grid and its kinda hard to hit alt unless I let go of the mouse. I also have the choice between a mouse and a keyboard as my birthday present and am prolly going to go with the mouse now. Thanks again for the advice EDIT2: btw toss is imba ;p
If you're a right hander, I'm a huge proponent of the Mionix Naos 3200 as one of the most ergonomically comfortable (and good for gaming) mice. Just for right-handers though.
However, and this is a big however, I just tried to assign shift to one of my mouse buttons and it didn't work. I could do caps lock, or tab, or any other single-activation key, but shift didn't work (tested in notepad by trying to do a capital letter using the mouse button for holding shift). So Shift, Control, and Alt may be the 3 buttons you CAN'T bind to a mouse.
Just a quick stab at it, so your results may vary.
And for the record, I play random. And, oddly, I'm better against Protoss than against any other race. They die easily to my cannon rushes, my sky terran, & are about 50-50 vs my macro zerg. It's still Terran that gives me fits.
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On October 18 2012 14:22 MisterFred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 13:51 Kazahk wrote:On October 18 2012 12:54 MisterFred wrote:
Generally through the mouse driver. For instance, using the driver for my Mionix Naos 3200, I changed one of the buttons below my mouse wheel to 'h' (my warp-gate hotkey) rather than its earlier function. Pressing that button is the same as typing 'h' on my keyboard. hhhh (You can't see it, but those 4 'h''s were typed with my mouse.) Now I don't know if alt or ctrl will work in the same manner, as those buttons be held down in addition to just activated. But it'll probably work as long as your mouse driver has that function.
Edit: I should note that macro buttons are frowned on for competitive play (illegal in tourneys). I don't consider my change a macro button, as it maintains the "one physical action, one command" paradigm rather than the "one physical action, multiple commands" paradigm of most macros. Presumably you just want to set control groups without reaching for CTRL with your pinky. Dunno how that would be taken by tourneys. Thanks for the answer! My use is basically the same as yours, ctrl+(x) to make a screen hotkey and then alt+(x) to recall. I think its legal O_o EDIT: It's just my hotkey setup is a grid and its kinda hard to hit alt unless I let go of the mouse. I also have the choice between a mouse and a keyboard as my birthday present and am prolly going to go with the mouse now. Thanks again for the advice EDIT2: btw toss is imba ;p If you're a right hander, I'm a huge proponent of the Mionix Naos 3200 as one of the most ergonomically comfortable (and good for gaming) mice. Just for right-handers though. However, and this is a big however, I just tried to assign shift to one of my mouse buttons and it didn't work. I could do caps lock, or tab, or any other single-activation key, but shift didn't work (tested in notepad by trying to do a capital letter using the mouse button for holding shift). So Shift, Control, and Alt may be the 3 buttons you CAN'T bind to a mouse. Just a quick stab at it, so your results may vary. And for the record, I play random. And, oddly, I'm better against Protoss than against any other race. They die easily to my cannon rushes, my sky terran, & are about 50-50 vs my macro zerg. It's still Terran that gives me fits.
hmmm... do you think there are other mice that allow you to? I'll do my own research and see what I can find.
Totally off topic but do you want to 1v1 sometime? :3
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hmmm... do you think there are other mice that allow you to? I'll do my own research and see what I can find.
I've got a Ss Kana mouse and it allows you to do this kind of stuff. (And i love it btw). So I guess any Ss mouse would get the job done. But be careful, for some other reason, the driver (steelseries engine) is not that good: you cannot set a default profile (you will still be using the profile of the application you just quit if there is no profile set for the application you started to run), and you cannot bind multiple keypresses (like ctrl+... or shift+... as i wanted to do for my media player).
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On October 18 2012 16:57 FakePseudo wrote:Show nested quote +
hmmm... do you think there are other mice that allow you to? I'll do my own research and see what I can find.
I've got a Ss Kana mouse and it allows you to do this kind of stuff. (And i love it btw). So I guess any Ss mouse would get the job done. But be careful, for some other reason, the driver (steelseries engine) is not that good: you cannot set a default profile (you will still be using the profile of the application you just quit if there is no profile set for the application you started to run), and you cannot bind multiple keypresses (like ctrl+... or shift+... as i wanted to do for my media player).
Do you know if I can use it to hold down alt or ctrl? So I can for example: Hold macro key ctrl then q on my key board to make a screen hotkey; and then hold the other macro button for alt and then q to recall? So it wont actually be "macro" but more of a shortcut for ctrl and alt?
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On October 18 2012 03:20 Avril_Lavigne wrote:
Can anyone help me pick out a new mouse?
1. What's your grip style?
I believe it's claw
2. What's your sensitivity?
medium/high
3. What's your maximum budget?
$100
4. Do you want additional buttons?
Unneccessary, just the left and right click would do just fine
5. What games do you play?
Starcraft 2
6. Do you mind angle snapping?
Not sure what that means
7. Other relevant information:
The mouse i'm using now is a razer orochi, I've been using ambidextrious type mouses for awhile now and have become adapted to it, I prefer a more small type of mouse in terms of size compared to much larger ones like the deathadder. Nothing too fancy or complex looking like that RAT series. Braided chords are a plus as well as long length (orochi has short length). Nice, light and smooth. Easily adjustable for comfort if possible
I love the g9x for claw grip. I just had it for a week and prefer this over the lachesis and mamba (both razer) and g500. It's small and comes with two different grips but you can go barebone like most of the korean pros.
What separates the g9x from the other two razer mouse I used was the clicks. It seems a lot more smoother/easier....idk how to describe it but it's better lol
the only downside I dont like from g9x is the middle button (scroll wheel). It's a bit hard to click down on compared to the other razer mouse. And I click down on the scroll wheel to adjust my screen a little bit when playing sc2.
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On October 18 2012 18:21 .kv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 03:20 Avril_Lavigne wrote:
Can anyone help me pick out a new mouse?
1. What's your grip style?
I believe it's claw
2. What's your sensitivity?
medium/high
3. What's your maximum budget?
$100
4. Do you want additional buttons?
Unneccessary, just the left and right click would do just fine
5. What games do you play?
Starcraft 2
6. Do you mind angle snapping?
Not sure what that means
7. Other relevant information:
The mouse i'm using now is a razer orochi, I've been using ambidextrious type mouses for awhile now and have become adapted to it, I prefer a more small type of mouse in terms of size compared to much larger ones like the deathadder. Nothing too fancy or complex looking like that RAT series. Braided chords are a plus as well as long length (orochi has short length). Nice, light and smooth. Easily adjustable for comfort if possible I love the g9x for claw grip. I just had it for a week and prefer this over the lachesis and mamba (both razer) and g500. It's small and comes with two different grips but you can go barebone like most of the korean pros. What separates the g9x from the other two razer mouse I used was the clicks. It seems a lot more smoother/easier....idk how to describe it but it's better lol the only downside I dont like from g9x is the middle button (scroll wheel). It's a bit hard to click down on compared to the other razer mouse. And I click down on the scroll wheel to adjust my screen a little bit when playing sc2.
I get what you mean with the clicks on the g9x. Compared to my old steelseries ikari it feels and sounds like an actual product of quality instead of a flimsy piece of plastic. Kinda like how a mercedes benz door sounds when you close it compared to a cheap flimsy car. The middle mouse button is indeed an acquired taste but it does feel rock solid and very well built, like the rest of the g9x basically.
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On October 18 2012 17:14 Kazahk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 16:57 FakePseudo wrote:
hmmm... do you think there are other mice that allow you to? I'll do my own research and see what I can find.
I've got a Ss Kana mouse and it allows you to do this kind of stuff. (And i love it btw). So I guess any Ss mouse would get the job done. But be careful, for some other reason, the driver (steelseries engine) is not that good: you cannot set a default profile (you will still be using the profile of the application you just quit if there is no profile set for the application you started to run), and you cannot bind multiple keypresses (like ctrl+... or shift+... as i wanted to do for my media player). Do you know if I can use it to hold down alt or ctrl? So I can for example: Hold macro key ctrl then q on my key board to make a screen hotkey; and then hold the other macro button for alt and then q to recall? So it wont actually be "macro" but more of a shortcut for ctrl and alt?
Yes of course, thats what i meant since the very beginning! In my particular case i use mouse button 4 to hold control while selecting larvae or units, because if i have to do both shift and ctrl with my left pinky, I very likely mess up and do ctrl+group5 instead of shit+group5.
What I meant in the second paragraph is that for example you cannot bind mouse buttons four and five to ctrl+f5-f6 which are supposed to be my media keys in winamp
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On October 19 2012 02:08 FakePseudo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 17:14 Kazahk wrote:On October 18 2012 16:57 FakePseudo wrote:
hmmm... do you think there are other mice that allow you to? I'll do my own research and see what I can find.
I've got a Ss Kana mouse and it allows you to do this kind of stuff. (And i love it btw). So I guess any Ss mouse would get the job done. But be careful, for some other reason, the driver (steelseries engine) is not that good: you cannot set a default profile (you will still be using the profile of the application you just quit if there is no profile set for the application you started to run), and you cannot bind multiple keypresses (like ctrl+... or shift+... as i wanted to do for my media player). Do you know if I can use it to hold down alt or ctrl? So I can for example: Hold macro key ctrl then q on my key board to make a screen hotkey; and then hold the other macro button for alt and then q to recall? So it wont actually be "macro" but more of a shortcut for ctrl and alt? Yes of course, thats what i meant since the very beginning! In my particular case i use mouse button 4 to hold control while selecting larvae or units, because if i have to do both shift and ctrl with my left pinky, I very likely mess up and do ctrl+group5 instead of shit+group5. What I meant in the second paragraph is that for example you cannot bind mouse buttons four and five to ctrl+f5-f6 which are supposed to be my media keys in winamp
ok thanks, I didn't mean to be a nuisance just making sure that i didn't buy something that didn't do what i wanted. Thanks so much for the advice!
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Is the polling rate only in 125 - 1000 hz and not mhz (m = 10^6 hz )?
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Hz...and it's already very high. (remember your screen is at 60-120 Hz, so....well think about it)
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any1 wanna comment on Steelseries Sensei (raw), Fnatic style or Razer Deathadder? I Would like a mouse with as small as a scrollwheel as possible, currently using the deathadder 3.5 and i find the gap between the left and right buttons a bit to big.
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