1. What's your grip style? When gaming claw grip. When I need less percision it is more a mixture of claw and palm grip as I want to rest some on the mouse. 2. What's your sensitivity? medium - too many dpi would give me too little percision. 3. What's your maximum budget? none 4. Do you want additional buttons? I only use the 3 standard buttons. So I prefer no extra buttons but I dont mind them as long as they don't disturb. 5. What games do you play? sc2 6. Do you mind angle snapping? I think so but I never used mouse with such feature before. 7. Other relevant information: should be wired and without battery; should have (mechanical?) mousewheel with scrollresistance for each scroll; If possible no additional software; no extreme deformations for fingers (esp. thumb); should be light and have the weight more towards the front so it is easy to lift out of claw grip; should not recognize movement while lifted; about size: can't really say numbers but too large is definately bad for my grip and lifting (esp in height and width) but even more of a pain to me are mice that you have to operate with your fingertips only like laptop mice...
^ Kinda sounds like Zowie again, possibly AM rather than EC1-2. Overall, I'd say you probably need something traditional, old-school, the standard shape of the older mice from the times when there was no such diversity as now, right? (Which means big, flattened, somewhat wide, ambidex, no silly deformations as you put it, much like the cheapest office mice that fail to follow fashion.)
As for angle snapping, if you've ever had an office mouse, you've had prediction. If you try to draw a circle in paint and see a square instead, then you have angle snapping. I've heard (without unambiguous confirmation) that Zowie mice have prediction. For the record, anything on the Avago 3080 (and there is a number of such mice right now) should probably have prediction. Depends on the firmware the manufacturers are able or not able to purchase from the sensor maker along with the sensor.
2. What's your sensitivity? medium-high 1600 dpi or around.
3. What's your maximum budget? prefer lower naturally, but no limit.
4. Do you want additional buttons? Better than none but other things are more important.
5. What games do you play? RTS. Age of Empires series, maybe sc2, maybe some new rts.
6. Do you mind angle snapping? Prediction? Prefer none.
7. Other relevant information: I liked shape of Krait and Kinzu but their sensors weren't good enough. Prefer something that doesn't look nerdy (ie razer) but function is most important. I've some steelseries qck so its a pluss if the mouse work with them. I love small mice and I hate bad sensors with jittering, acceleration, and nasty accuracy.
On July 24 2012 04:47 NewbieOne wrote: ^ Kinda sounds like Zowie again, possibly AM rather than EC1-2. Overall, I'd say you probably need something traditional, old-school, the standard shape of the older mice from the times when there was no such diversity as now, right? (Which means big, flattened, somewhat wide, ambidex, no silly deformations as you put it, much like the cheapest office mice that fail to follow fashion.)
As for angle snapping, if you've ever had an office mouse, you've had prediction. If you try to draw a circle in paint and see a square instead, then you have angle snapping. I've heard (without unambiguous confirmation) that Zowie mice have prediction. For the record, anything on the Avago 3080 (and there is a number of such mice right now) should probably have prediction. Depends on the firmware the manufacturers are able or not able to purchase from the sensor maker along with the sensor.
^ seems right but I would not say I want a big wide mouse. Smaller, easy to grab, light I like more.
Zowie AM seems good, or maybe Steelseries Sensei this one seems good too - any suggestion? Right now I have Logitech G3 which is a bit too large and heavy but it is the best mouse I had so far.
On July 24 2012 04:47 NewbieOne wrote: ^ Kinda sounds like Zowie again, possibly AM rather than EC1-2. Overall, I'd say you probably need something traditional, old-school, the standard shape of the older mice from the times when there was no such diversity as now, right? (Which means big, flattened, somewhat wide, ambidex, no silly deformations as you put it, much like the cheapest office mice that fail to follow fashion.)
As for angle snapping, if you've ever had an office mouse, you've had prediction. If you try to draw a circle in paint and see a square instead, then you have angle snapping. I've heard (without unambiguous confirmation) that Zowie mice have prediction. For the record, anything on the Avago 3080 (and there is a number of such mice right now) should probably have prediction. Depends on the firmware the manufacturers are able or not able to purchase from the sensor maker along with the sensor.
^ seems right but I would not say I want a big wide mouse. Smaller, easy to grab, light I like more.
Zowie AM seems good, or maybe Steelseries Sensei this one seems good too - any suggestion? Right now I have Logitech G3 which is a bit too large and heavy but it is the best mouse I had so far.
Well, perhaps stick with that Logitech after all? I actually still regret killing my all time favourite mouse like an idiot (threw it, something broke inside), it was a baller from A4tech, ages ago. Nothing wrong with old mice if they track well.
As for Sensei, it's big. If you go to to its webpage at Steelseries, you'll notice it's 126mm long, 68 wide, 39 tall. But it's ambidex and the shape is conservative. Similar to Zowie AM anyway. Take a look at the [Raw] versions (one glossy, one rubberised) and the upcoming MLG version (still different surface) if you don't long for the metal casing. Between the Sensei and the AM, the AM seems to be lighter by a fair margin (88 vs 102 grams) but it's kinda weird to compare weight on mice that have so totally different sensors.
1. What's your grip style? I'm closest to claw, without the fingers so curved. I still use the ends of my fingers though.
2. What's your sensitivity? Medium
3. What's your maximum budget? 100$
4. Do you want additional buttons? Two+ on the left side.
5. What games do you play? Almost everything. Into SC2, dota 2, FPS.
6. Do you mind angle snapping? Don't want it.
7. Other relevant information:
I think some sort of ergonomic design would be good for me, considering that I like to really HOLD my mouse, as to aid in precision.
I purchased a Razer Deathadder on impulse but it doesn't feel right as it seems it was meant more for palm grips. I don't know if this is silly but I am now biased against Razer products from the fact that a button on the side broke within the first 6 months. I am not rough with my mice so I saw no reason for that happening. I have owned a General Electric mouse for over 5 years with no problems so I suppose I hold a high standard. I would use that GE still but I'm looking for something new with more customization.
I have had my eye on the TT esports Theron, but I am worried that my hands are too large. I have medium-ish hands. To give an idea of the size, if I palm the Deathadder my fingertips come to the end at least, if not a few mm's over.
I think I also prefer glossy finish but I'm not sure since I haven't tried any other types of mouses with matte finish. I don't if there are different types of matte.
Have any of you tried the tron mouse? I've been using it for over a year now and aside from the fact that it's a bit weird to use in the beginning, if you use claw grip it's a pretty good mouse. It's quite light and easy to move around. was wondering other ppl's opinions of the mouse
I'm wondering if anyone has used the Razer Naga and Razer Naga Hex mouses. I'm thinking of buying either one of them but I see divided opinion on their usability.
Right now I use an MX518, which I love and still works fine, but I would love the convenience of more buttons on my mouse when playing a few games which require me to use 1 through 0 and the F keys as well.
I'm just wondering how long it takes to get used to them, and how they are outside of gaming (for example, using the buttons for forward/backwards while browsing, scrolling, and overall comfort). Does having 12 or 6 buttons used by the thumb make them barely usable or do you get used to it quickly?
I'm also wondering if any other mouses with several button on them exist. I googled for such a thing but I also end up back to Razer's stuff.
Thanks for any answer.
*EDIT : I've been doing more research and there are only a few alternatives, G600 from Logitech, M90 from Corsair and MMO mouse from Steel Series.
All of them look relatively uncomfortable, which is my biggest concern. I'm not about to switch mice to play games and then again to browse...
Bah, I think I'll stick to a standard mouse for now... too used to my MX518's size/feel.
On July 27 2012 23:25 Kurr wrote: I'm wondering if anyone has used the Razer Naga and Razer Naga Hex mouses. I'm thinking of buying either one of them but I see divided opinion on their usability.
Right now I use an MX518, which I love and still works fine, but I would love the convenience of more buttons on my mouse when playing a few games which require me to use 1 through 0 and the F keys as well.
I'm just wondering how long it takes to get used to them, and how they are outside of gaming (for example, using the buttons for forward/backwards while browsing, scrolling, and overall comfort). Does having 12 or 6 buttons used by the thumb make them barely usable or do you get used to it quickly?
I'm also wondering if any other mouses with several button on them exist. I googled for such a thing but I also end up back to Razer's stuff.
Thanks for any answer.
*EDIT : I've been doing more research and there are only a few alternatives, G600 from Logitech, M90 from Corsair and MMO mouse from Steel Series.
All of them look relatively uncomfortable, which is my biggest concern. I'm not about to switch mice to play games and then again to browse...
Bah, I think I'll stick to a standard mouse for now... too used to my MX518's size/feel.
I got used to my razer naga with 12 buttons in few hours, and i also use it while i play sc having my control groups on it its really easy to use, but i wouldn't recommend it if you want it for anything other than MMOs pretty much, the Hex is such a joke btw if you are really interested in a naga get the 12button one. EDIT: it's also REALLY comfy if you are into a bit bigger mouses that you can rest your hand on.
On July 27 2012 23:25 Kurr wrote: I'm wondering if anyone has used the Razer Naga and Razer Naga Hex mouses. I'm thinking of buying either one of them but I see divided opinion on their usability.
Right now I use an MX518, which I love and still works fine, but I would love the convenience of more buttons on my mouse when playing a few games which require me to use 1 through 0 and the F keys as well.
I'm just wondering how long it takes to get used to them, and how they are outside of gaming (for example, using the buttons for forward/backwards while browsing, scrolling, and overall comfort). Does having 12 or 6 buttons used by the thumb make them barely usable or do you get used to it quickly?
I'm also wondering if any other mouses with several button on them exist. I googled for such a thing but I also end up back to Razer's stuff.
Thanks for any answer.
*EDIT : I've been doing more research and there are only a few alternatives, G600 from Logitech, M90 from Corsair and MMO mouse from Steel Series.
All of them look relatively uncomfortable, which is my biggest concern. I'm not about to switch mice to play games and then again to browse...
Bah, I think I'll stick to a standard mouse for now... too used to my MX518's size/feel.
I got used to my razer naga with 12 buttons in few hours, and i also use it while i play sc having my control groups on it its really easy to use, but i wouldn't recommend it if you want it for anything other than MMOs pretty much, the Hex is such a joke btw if you are really interested in a naga get the 12button one. EDIT: it's also REALLY comfy if you are into a bit bigger mouses that you can rest your hand on.
That's the thing, I want a mouse I can use for everything. Only the M90 seems like it could be comfy and has several buttons. The Hex I decided I won't get because there's no place for me to rest my thumb since it has the 6 buttons there and apparently they are very sensitive.
I'm still going to consider the M90 or a Logitech mouse, everything else seems meh. The Logitech G600 looked nice but the way the buttons are angled on the side seems annoying.
*EDIT : Just read the NCIX reviews for the M90 and that's not going to happen either ahah.
Man, if only they made a Naga Hex with the buttons slightly more spread out so I could rest my thumb in the middle it would be such an easy choice T_T
*EDIT2 : If anyone is thinking of making a similar purchase, I have looked all afternoon and decided the G600 is the best mouse with tons of buttons on the side.
However, considering the fact that it's the same price, this review of the G600 with a comparison to the Naga sold me for the G600 (meaning that I'm considering buying it, but not sure yet) :
They have a few variations of this one, and all the reviews for them are relatively poor. I had a hard time finding good information on the mouse, which is never a good sign.
I love how it looks, it could be very well have been my choice, but the 6 buttons are not placed correctly IMO. They should take the 3 that go "under" your thumb and move them further to arrange in 2 rows that are arc'ed (basically a 2nd row of buttons behind 1/2/3).
So basically 2 arcs, then you have a place to rest your thumb and everything is easy to reach. The buttons looked nice too, small round buttons like a PSX controller, and I liked the idea. Just the placement overall. Also seems like a very small mouse when I looked at trailers where it was held by a person.
As far as the G600 vs Naga, it's pretty close. G600 looks a bit more comfy and the buttons look better positioned once you get used to it. The Naga is a bit smaller.
With the G600, I've read a lot and these are the cons I noticed : -Several reports of SOFTWARE bugs with the software thinking you are double clicking when you are single clicking. Seems to be fixable quickly but an annoyance. Should be fixed by Logitech soon. Heard of similar problems with Naga anyway -It has a tilt wheel. I almost chose Naga simply because of this problem. Yes, PROBLEM. I fucking hate tilt wheels and Razer has some awesome scroll wheels too which was a big factor for me. -That third button (g-shift) is where I usually keep my finger to hold my mouse on the right edge. Overall I think you could get used to it quickly.
Overall, the decision came to the size. I think I can overlook the tilt wheel, which is the only real issue I have with the G600 vs the Naga, and I think it's a better mouse overall. I also trust Logitech more... I've had my MX518 for 3-4 years I think with 0 issues besides my scroll wheel sticking once in a while if something gets stuck in it, but I know several people who change their razer mice every couple of years because they break down pretty quickly. That might just be randomness at play, but Razer products seem more fragile in my experience.
Well, hope that helps someone else make a similar choice.
On July 28 2012 04:46 Kurr wrote: I'm still going to consider the M90 or a Logitech mouse, everything else seems meh. The Logitech G600 looked nice but the way the buttons are angled on the side seems annoying.
1000 dpi, though. Not enough for me. Could be wider too. Otherwise lovely mouse. Could probably just put sensitivity at 8 since almost every manufacturer seems to interpolate the higher DPI opticals anyway. Build quality is crap for the wheel, otherwise decent, I love the cable, and probably slapping some teflon on the bottom would be a good investment.
On July 27 2012 23:25 Kurr wrote: I'm wondering if anyone has used the Razer Naga and Razer Naga Hex mouses. I'm thinking of buying either one of them but I see divided opinion on their usability.
Right now I use an MX518, which I love and still works fine, but I would love the convenience of more buttons on my mouse when playing a few games which require me to use 1 through 0 and the F keys as well.
I'm just wondering how long it takes to get used to them, and how they are outside of gaming (for example, using the buttons for forward/backwards while browsing, scrolling, and overall comfort). Does having 12 or 6 buttons used by the thumb make them barely usable or do you get used to it quickly?
I'm also wondering if any other mouses with several button on them exist. I googled for such a thing but I also end up back to Razer's stuff.
Thanks for any answer.
*EDIT : I've been doing more research and there are only a few alternatives, G600 from Logitech, M90 from Corsair and MMO mouse from Steel Series.
All of them look relatively uncomfortable, which is my biggest concern. I'm not about to switch mice to play games and then again to browse...
Bah, I think I'll stick to a standard mouse for now... too used to my MX518's size/feel.
If you're avoi I got used to my razer naga with 12 buttons in few hours, and i also use it while i play sc having my control groups on it its really easy to use, but i wouldn't recommend it if you want it for anything other than MMOs pretty much, the Hex is such a joke btw if you are really interested in a naga get the 12button one. EDIT: it's also REALLY comfy if you are into a bit bigger mouses that you can rest your hand on.
That's the thing, I want a mouse I can use for everything. Only the M90 seems like it could be comfy and has several buttons. The Hex I decided I won't get because there's no place for me to rest my thumb since it has the 6 buttons there and apparently they are very sensitive.
I'm still going to consider the M90 or a Logitech mouse, everything else seems meh. The Logitech G600 looked nice but the way the buttons are angled on the side seems annoying.
*EDIT : Just read the NCIX reviews for the M90 and that's not going to happen either ahah.
Man, if only they made a Naga Hex with the buttons slightly more spread out so I could rest my thumb in the middle it would be such an easy choice T_T
*EDIT2 : If anyone is thinking of making a similar purchase, I have looked all afternoon and decided the G600 is the best mouse with tons of buttons on the side.
However, considering the fact that it's the same price, this review of the G600 with a comparison to the Naga sold me for the G600 (meaning that I'm considering buying it, but not sure yet) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH8a7fzrQTY
They have a few variations of this one, and all the reviews for them are relatively poor. I had a hard time finding good information on the mouse, which is never a good sign.
I love how it looks, it could be very well have been my choice, but the 6 buttons are not placed correctly IMO. They should take the 3 that go "under" your thumb and move them further to arrange in 2 rows that are arc'ed (basically a 2nd row of buttons behind 1/2/3).
So basically 2 arcs, then you have a place to rest your thumb and everything is easy to reach. The buttons looked nice too, small round buttons like a PSX controller, and I liked the idea. Just the placement overall. Also seems like a very small mouse when I looked at trailers where it was held by a person.
As far as the G600 vs Naga, it's pretty close. G600 looks a bit more comfy and the buttons look better positioned once you get used to it. The Naga is a bit smaller.
With the G600, I've read a lot and these are the cons I noticed : -Several reports of SOFTWARE bugs with the software thinking you are double clicking when you are single clicking. Seems to be fixable quickly but an annoyance. Should be fixed by Logitech soon. Heard of similar problems with Naga anyway -It has a tilt wheel. I almost chose Naga simply because of this problem. Yes, PROBLEM. I fucking hate tilt wheels and Razer has some awesome scroll wheels too which was a big factor for me. -That third button (g-shift) is where I usually keep my finger to hold my mouse on the right edge. Overall I think you could get used to it quickly.
Overall, the decision came to the size. I think I can overlook the tilt wheel, which is the only real issue I have with the G600 vs the Naga, and I think it's a better mouse overall. I also trust Logitech more... I've had my MX518 for 3-4 years I think with 0 issues besides my scroll wheel sticking once in a while if something gets stuck in it, but I know several people who change their razer mice every couple of years because they break down pretty quickly. That might just be randomness at play, but Razer products seem more fragile in my experience.
Well, hope that helps someone else make a similar choice.
If you're only concern is to rest your thumb without accidentally pressing a random key, you should be relieved, you'll never press a key by accident, they need some amount of strength and are not sensible( dunno 'bout hex), but i'm sayin that if you're not gonna use it for MMOs it's actually faster to use keyboard only for RTS i.e.
I have my naga for about 3 years now, and works perfectly fine i even dropped it on the floor once(wasn't big hit it got hung by the wire) and still works 100%, though the thing is that there are alot of sayings about razer build quality, and i don't really like razer
EDIT: just seen the vid for the G600, and seems like it totally outclass the naga, so if you really need those damn 20 buttons go for that, and not the naga.
Not bad by any means and the mouse seems to have wonderful ergonomy barring the buttons. This may be a personal preference but I think I wouldn't be able to play without being able to rest my thumb "conclusively" rather than keeping it lightly on a bunch of buttons. Speaking of which, what are you going to do with all those buttons on the mouse in Starcraft? The only thing I could ever come up with was binding a-move on the mouse but it's better on the keyboard anyway.
On July 28 2012 20:06 NewbieOne wrote: Not bad by any means and the mouse seems to have wonderful ergonomy barring the buttons. This may be a personal preference but I think I wouldn't be able to play without being able to rest my thumb "conclusively" rather than keeping it lightly on a bunch of buttons. Speaking of which, what are you going to do with all those buttons on the mouse in Starcraft? The only thing I could ever come up with was binding a-move on the mouse but it's better on the keyboard anyway.
I haven't played Starcraft in about a year. Since release of SC2, I've played the campaign and got all achievements but otherwise I've played maybe 30-40 games total, with 80% of those being 4v4 random.
I just don't enjoy the game. Single player was fun though at least. I rather WC3 or being able to play custom maps which are terribly made in BNet 2.0.
Has anyone here used a taipan? How does it compare to a abyssus etc? They apparently fixed some of the precision issues, and the size/weight is perfect for me.
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