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Demicore
Profile Joined October 2011
France503 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-30 05:26:15
July 29 2012 19:06 GMT
#1521
Hello gents,

I've been wasting a ton of money trying out mice and selling them recently, especially small mice, so here are my quick thoughts on them in case anyone's interested.

Razer Abyssus
+perfect shape
+excellent tracking
-buttons are too stiff for me
-glossy sides (easy to remove with sandpaper but hey)

Steelseries Kinzu v2 Pro
+excellent shape
+excellent tracking
-the entire TOP is glossy (really? )
-buttons even tougher than on the abyssus (they are smooth at the very tip but that's not where my fingers are since my grip is between claw and fingertip)

Logitech G300
+great buttons
+great customizability
-horrendous shape

Razer Salmosa Pro Gaming Edition
+good tracking
+easy to push buttons
-hilariously small
-buttons take up two thirds of the top, so the fingers I use to grip the sides of the mouse actually grip the sides of the buttons, which is not pleasant
-glossy sides

Logitech G100
+great shape
+great buttons
+no glossy plastic!
-wonky tracking @ medium dpi setting (I think it's 1750. I personally don't really notice that in game, but I can see how a more exigent gamer might be put off by it)

Razer Krait
+great shape
+great buttons
-tracking similar to the G100
-insanely high lift off distance (could it be that I got a faulty version?) (edit: tried the tape fix, works great)

Logitech g9x
+great shape
+great buttons (although the right one seems to take a bit more force to press)
+great customizability

Cheers, happy to answer any question. Much love and kittens to all of you; you're beautiful.
"I love male nipples in starcraft; the two go together so well." ~Tasteless
NewbieOne
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Poland560 Posts
July 30 2012 15:28 GMT
#1522
Much appreciated, Demicore. I know what it means to spend a ton of money cycling through stuff. It was keyboards for me.

As for Logitech G100, given the great other qualities of the mouse, could it perhaps be salvaged by toning down the DPI on the mouse and cranking up sensitivity in Windows or in the game instead of whatever the drivers are failing at?

For the record, how would you compare tracking on the Kinzu v2 and the G9X?
Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-30 22:02:07
July 30 2012 22:01 GMT
#1523
Hi guys. My first-edition Deathadder died a while back and now the IE 3.0 I replaced it with is starting to register doubles on the right-click, so I'm in the market for a new mouse.

1. What's your grip style?
Palm to palm hybrid.

2. What's your sensitivity?
med/high

3. What's your maximum budget?
No maximum, but I don't need crazy DPI or features so I don't forsee spending more than $50-$60.

4. Do you want additional buttons?
Need at least one side button to be pressed with the thumb.

5. What games do you play?
FPS, RTS.

6. Do you mind angle snapping?
Yes. Would prefer as "pure" a signal as possible.

7. Other relevant information:
I am replacing an IE 3.0 that died. Might just get another one but I thought I would solicit some other recommendations since I haven't kept up with the boggling array of products available now. My favorite mouse shapes in recent times have been the Deathadder and the IE 3.0 (I found both to be very similar shape wise). Prefer an ergonomic style.
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
July 30 2012 22:18 GMT
#1524
On July 31 2012 00:28 NewbieOne wrote:
Much appreciated, Demicore. I know what it means to spend a ton of money cycling through stuff. It was keyboards for me.

As for Logitech G100, given the great other qualities of the mouse, could it perhaps be salvaged by toning down the DPI on the mouse and cranking up sensitivity in Windows or in the game instead of whatever the drivers are failing at?

For the record, how would you compare tracking on the Kinzu v2 and the G9X?

I'm assuming he's testing for SC only, but G9X will be waaaaayy better in most situations, even despite the +/- accel issues. The Kinzu's sensor starts to freak out arount 2m/s which is pretty much unacceptable for any low sens FPS gamer (which the majority are).

@ingenol, why not just get another DA? Also you should look into maybe the EC1 evo from Zowie, a IME ripoff with the A3095 sensor.
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Demicore
Profile Joined October 2011
France503 Posts
July 31 2012 12:10 GMT
#1525
On July 31 2012 00:28 NewbieOne wrote:
Much appreciated, Demicore. I know what it means to spend a ton of money cycling through stuff. It was keyboards for me.

As for Logitech G100, given the great other qualities of the mouse, could it perhaps be salvaged by toning down the DPI on the mouse and cranking up sensitivity in Windows or in the game instead of whatever the drivers are failing at?

For the record, how would you compare tracking on the Kinzu v2 and the G9X?


For the Logitech g100, actually yea, just gave it a try and using it at 1000dpi with windows sens at 7/11 as opposed to 1750dpi @ 6/11 feels pretty good, you're smart :D Of course you're not getting "pure" 1/1 tracking as a result but that's definitely something I can see myself using.

As for Kinzu v2 pro vs g9x I don't see any difference in terms of tracking but I'm unfortunately one of the worst persons to ask that kind of questions to because I'm really not demanding at all in that domain as long as there's not too much accel / angle snapping. And yea I've only tested them in SC2 and some other RTSs, I guess I should have mentioned that, sorry. I've read about the problem wo1fwood mentioned -the kinzu v2 pro has very low malfunction speed so it's essentially unusable for FPS gamers. (extremely informative thread over at OCN)
"I love male nipples in starcraft; the two go together so well." ~Tasteless
NewbieOne
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Poland560 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-31 23:09:35
July 31 2012 23:05 GMT
#1526
On July 31 2012 21:10 Demicore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 00:28 NewbieOne wrote:
Much appreciated, Demicore. I know what it means to spend a ton of money cycling through stuff. It was keyboards for me.

As for Logitech G100, given the great other qualities of the mouse, could it perhaps be salvaged by toning down the DPI on the mouse and cranking up sensitivity in Windows or in the game instead of whatever the drivers are failing at?

For the record, how would you compare tracking on the Kinzu v2 and the G9X?


For the Logitech g100, actually yea, just gave it a try and using it at 1000dpi with windows sens at 7/11 as opposed to 1750dpi @ 6/11 feels pretty good, you're smart :D Of course you're not getting "pure" 1/1 tracking as a result but that's definitely something I can see myself using.


If you bump it up to 8/11, you should get 2:1, which might be a little more consistent/predictable, if perhaps a bit too fast for you (initially).

As for Kinzu v2 pro vs g9x I don't see any difference in terms of tracking but I'm unfortunately one of the worst persons to ask that kind of questions to because I'm really not demanding at all in that domain as long as there's not too much accel / angle snapping. And yea I've only tested them in SC2 and some other RTSs, I guess I should have mentioned that, sorry. I've read about the problem wo1fwood mentioned -the kinzu v2 pro has very low malfunction speed so it's essentially unusable for FPS gamers. (extremely informative thread over at OCN)


Hmm... Well, I'm a high-sens low-APM strategy/RPG gamer (I get like 400 in battles but average is rarely even 60) but I'd feel a measure of distrust towards a piece of equipment with a noticeable imperfection in max speed. My G9X has died and I'm making my choice as to what to get next.
rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-31 23:36:42
July 31 2012 23:35 GMT
#1527
Doesn't the G9x have a lifetime warranty with Logitech? If what I read on the box labels are correct, it should have one.

If it's dead, can't you just go to them for a replacement?

Never tried though but I think it's worth a shot.
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
iLLusive
Profile Joined March 2010
United States274 Posts
August 02 2012 18:40 GMT
#1528
So I have had a great quality simplistic mouse in the Logitech MX518 but it is starting to not recongize clicks and not great accuracy on laser. So I need to replace it and for my laptop I have the Razer Naga Epic and just too bulky for what I want in a gaming mouse. Anyone have any advice or suggestions on great mouse that will fit my needs to be similar in size / functionality to the MX518?

Thanks in advance for the help and if need be I guess I can just try and find a new MX518 but rather get a newer mouse I can't imagine there isn't at least one comparable option available on todays market.
The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving.
Demicore
Profile Joined October 2011
France503 Posts
August 02 2012 18:44 GMT
#1529
On August 03 2012 03:40 iLLusive wrote:
So I have had a great quality simplistic mouse in the Logitech MX518 but it is starting to not recongize clicks and not great accuracy on laser. So I need to replace it and for my laptop I have the Razer Naga Epic and just too bulky for what I want in a gaming mouse. Anyone have any advice or suggestions on great mouse that will fit my needs to be similar in size / functionality to the MX518?

Thanks in advance for the help and if need be I guess I can just try and find a new MX518 but rather get a newer mouse I can't imagine there isn't at least one comparable option available on todays market.


The Logitech G400 seems like the obvious choice here Can't go wrong with that.
"I love male nipples in starcraft; the two go together so well." ~Tasteless
PiPaPoh
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
121 Posts
August 03 2012 08:37 GMT
#1530
Today my Dt-35 and G1 arrived at germany. Bought them at ebay buykingkorea_seoul.
Delivery took 8 days and the best thing was: sent as gift and statted worth about 10 euros so
no toll!

Wonderful shop!
TwilightRain
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany351 Posts
August 03 2012 08:57 GMT
#1531
On August 03 2012 17:37 PiPaPoh wrote:
Today my Dt-35 and G1 arrived at germany. Bought them at ebay buykingkorea_seoul.
Delivery took 8 days and the best thing was: sent as gift and statted worth about 10 euros so
no toll!

Wonderful shop!

Same story with the ebay shop snowprincess2011. Genuine products too.
NewbieOne
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Poland560 Posts
August 03 2012 13:31 GMT
#1532
Well, I'm in favour of paying due taxes etc. actually. You know, pulling your weight in the society and all.
PiPaPoh
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
121 Posts
August 03 2012 21:12 GMT
#1533
I dont care about some additional euros you know.
But I care if I get a call "We got your packet - you can pick it up and show whats inside (like 40km away...)"
-IntEnZ-
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden50 Posts
August 03 2012 22:34 GMT
#1534
Just got the G9x, great bang for the buck! Awesome feel and an awesome mouse; I've had 3 Logitech g500 before and then before that I used to only use MS Intellimouse 3.0 for like 5 years straight. I can recommend it.
Efekkt
Profile Joined August 2012
United States68 Posts
August 04 2012 16:58 GMT
#1535
Just ordered a Roccat Savu because it was time to replace my mx518, hope I'm happy with my purchase but it seems to have every feature I want and a very functioning mouse. Looking for recommendations on what mouse pad to get for it to replace my Steelpad 5L which I love but it's getting pretty worn after all these years. I like how the Roccat Alumic comes with a wrist rest and is a stiff pad, but I'm also considering saving some money and getting a Puretrak Stealth, or just going with SS again and getting the 9HD but even that is pretty pricey. Does anybody have experience with the differences in these pads, and if I go with something other than the Roccat what wrist rest do you guys recommend to pair with a gaming mouse pad?
arena_say_what
Profile Joined June 2011
122 Posts
August 04 2012 17:06 GMT
#1536
Where can you buy the Logitech G100 in the UK?
Kurr
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2338 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-04 17:33:54
August 04 2012 17:32 GMT
#1537
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 28 2012 04:46 Kurr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 03:08 Silencioseu wrote:
On July 27 2012 23:25 Kurr wrote:
I'm wondering if anyone has used the Razer Naga and Razer Naga Hex mouses. I'm thinking of buying either one of them but I see divided opinion on their usability.

Right now I use an MX518, which I love and still works fine, but I would love the convenience of more buttons on my mouse when playing a few games which require me to use 1 through 0 and the F keys as well.

I'm just wondering how long it takes to get used to them, and how they are outside of gaming (for example, using the buttons for forward/backwards while browsing, scrolling, and overall comfort). Does having 12 or 6 buttons used by the thumb make them barely usable or do you get used to it quickly?

I'm also wondering if any other mouses with several button on them exist. I googled for such a thing but I also end up back to Razer's stuff.

Thanks for any answer.

*EDIT : I've been doing more research and there are only a few alternatives, G600 from Logitech, M90 from Corsair and MMO mouse from Steel Series.

All of them look relatively uncomfortable, which is my biggest concern. I'm not about to switch mice to play games and then again to browse...

Bah, I think I'll stick to a standard mouse for now... too used to my MX518's size/feel.

I got used to my razer naga with 12 buttons in few hours, and i also use it while i play sc having my control groups on it its really easy to use, but i wouldn't recommend it if you want it for anything other than MMOs pretty much, the Hex is such a joke btw if you are really interested in a naga get the 12button one.
EDIT: it's also REALLY comfy if you are into a bit bigger mouses that you can rest your hand on.


That's the thing, I want a mouse I can use for everything. Only the M90 seems like it could be comfy and has several buttons. The Hex I decided I won't get because there's no place for me to rest my thumb since it has the 6 buttons there and apparently they are very sensitive.

I'm still going to consider the M90 or a Logitech mouse, everything else seems meh. The Logitech G600 looked nice but the way the buttons are angled on the side seems annoying.

*EDIT : Just read the NCIX reviews for the M90 and that's not going to happen either ahah.

Man, if only they made a Naga Hex with the buttons slightly more spread out so I could rest my thumb in the middle it would be such an easy choice T_T



*EDIT2 : If anyone is thinking of making a similar purchase, I have looked all afternoon and decided the G600 is the best mouse with tons of buttons on the side.

G600
http://www.logitech.com/en-ca/gaming/mice-keyboard-combos/g600-mmo-gaming-mouse

It is pretty similar to the Naga :
http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_CA/pd/productID.169418900

However, considering the fact that it's the same price, this review of the G600 with a comparison to the Naga sold me for the G600 (meaning that I'm considering buying it, but not sure yet) :


Other contenders were

G700 :
http://www.logitech.com/en-ca/gaming/mice-keyboard-combos/wireless-gaming-mouse-g700

Overall the price and the fact that it's not wired kept me away. It seems very nice.

Steelseries MMO mouse :
http://steelseries.com/products/games/world-of-warcraft/world-of-warcraft-mmo-gaming-mouse

They have a few variations of this one, and all the reviews for them are relatively poor. I had a hard time finding good information on the mouse, which is never a good sign.

Corsair M90 :
http://www.corsair.com/vengeance-m90-performance-mmo-rts-laser-gaming-mouse.html/

The button placement and build on this mouse look really nice. It was going to be my choice for a while, it looks pretty comfortable.

What told me to stay away were review on NCIX. It seems to be more or less unanimously a problem mouse.
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=64133#CustomerReviews

Unfortunately, I'm not going to take a risk with a company that isn't really know for gaming mice with so many bad reviews.


Naga Hex
:
http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_CA/pd/productID.244052300

I love how it looks, it could be very well have been my choice, but the 6 buttons are not placed correctly IMO. They should take the 3 that go "under" your thumb and move them further to arrange in 2 rows that are arc'ed (basically a 2nd row of buttons behind 1/2/3).

So basically 2 arcs, then you have a place to rest your thumb and everything is easy to reach. The buttons looked nice too, small round buttons like a PSX controller, and I liked the idea. Just the placement overall. Also seems like a very small mouse when I looked at trailers where it was held by a person.




As far as the G600 vs Naga, it's pretty close. G600 looks a bit more comfy and the buttons look better positioned once you get used to it. The Naga is a bit smaller.

With the G600, I've read a lot and these are the cons I noticed :
-Several reports of SOFTWARE bugs with the software thinking you are double clicking when you are single clicking. Seems to be fixable quickly but an annoyance. Should be fixed by Logitech soon. Heard of similar problems with Naga anyway
-It has a tilt wheel. I almost chose Naga simply because of this problem. Yes, PROBLEM. I fucking hate tilt wheels and Razer has some awesome scroll wheels too which was a big factor for me.
-That third button (g-shift) is where I usually keep my finger to hold my mouse on the right edge. Overall I think you could get used to it quickly.


Overall, the decision came to the size. I think I can overlook the tilt wheel, which is the only real issue I have with the G600 vs the Naga, and I think it's a better mouse overall. I also trust Logitech more... I've had my MX518 for 3-4 years I think with 0 issues besides my scroll wheel sticking once in a while if something gets stuck in it, but I know several people who change their razer mice every couple of years because they break down pretty quickly. That might just be randomness at play, but Razer products seem more fragile in my experience.

Well, hope that helps someone else make a similar choice.



Got the G600 delivered yesteday, just want to point out that I love it so far. Didn't feel a learning curve at all and it's very comfy. I haven't tested it thoroughly in games yet but I love the options they give for button bindings. I use a few different things just when browsing beyond the normal back/forward (for example I have 1 button that is a copy of my mouse 3 (scroll) button to more easily open/close tabs. You get a lot of different options with LGS, you can bind buttons to cut/paste/copy if you want (I like using the keyboard more for that though), use it to control media players, use it to add text macros to a button (so for example, you could use it while writing an essay to copy certain words you're using a lot without using copy/paste for each and just make an additional profile for when you're using that program... it's something that takes 1-2 minutes overall.

Tilt-wheel is tough enough that it doesn't move when I don't want it to which is an awesome surprise. Not really sure why there are so many options for the lighting but overall I don't care about that at all. I just left it orange to match my G15.


Obviously I can't/won't buy the other "many button" type mice but I feel this was the right choice.
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Demicore
Profile Joined October 2011
France503 Posts
August 04 2012 19:37 GMT
#1538
On August 05 2012 02:06 arena_say_what wrote:
Where can you buy the Logitech G100 in the UK?


I don't think you can; I ordered mine from South Korea on eBay.
"I love male nipples in starcraft; the two go together so well." ~Tasteless
TwilightRain
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany351 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-06 18:04:10
August 06 2012 17:38 GMT
#1539
Dunno if this deserves a new thread or not, so, quick update here:

From what I understand, there are KT Rolster branded Zowie MiCO mice and KT Rolster branded Zowie N-CM mousepads on sale on www.joygear.co.kr. Just scroll down and you will see it.

EDIT: The site is also available in English. There is a button at the top.
Demicore
Profile Joined October 2011
France503 Posts
August 06 2012 22:47 GMT
#1540
Nice find mate. Looks darn nice; too bad about the glossy plastic.
"I love male nipples in starcraft; the two go together so well." ~Tasteless
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