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There was the zowie mico and the steelseries Kinzu. Both are gone and were made for smaller hands.
Both had significant sensor flaws even for 2d gameplay - the Mico causing the cursor to teleport to one side regularly and the Kinzu having positive acceleration
The g9x was also popular but had an even worse sensor problem, quite large positive and negative acceleration. The sensitivity would vary up and down by like 7% depending on how quickly you were moving the mouse in a weird curve which lead to a practically uncorrectable level of inaccuracy and cursor drift. The good sensors have a variance of more like 1%.
CM made a "successor" to the spawn but it seems larger, heavier and more palm-oriented; the MasterMouse MM520
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I didn't say they had perfect sensors, just that the mouse were made for smaller hands. I am just wondering why small mouses like those aren't really made anymore. I had a zowie mico and never experienced this teleportation, perhaps I just never really noticed it or they managed to fix it, but I changed it over because the mouse buttons were so unbeleivably stiff.
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The MasterMouse S is the perfect mouse (shape and size-wise) for my hand size and grip but GODDAMN does the build quality suck. The mouse wheel rattles an insane amount, i can both hear and feel it while im playing BW.. even the shell is a bit loose lol.
It makes me really mad cus both the MasterMouse S and FK2 have great shells but they also have huge flaws (build quality for MasterMouse and stiff clicks for the FK2). I just can't seem to find a good small/medium sized mouse thats suitable for palm gripping. The super high quality mice like the Logitech GPro and Finalmouse Phantom are too big for me.
I'm gonna keep using my MasterMouse despite the issues because i love the shape and size that much.. but i really hope something good comes out for S/M palm grippers within the next year.
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Hi, I am looking for mouse recommendation
Prefer small, light weight (<80g), wired, low force buttons.
I like Logitech Mini Optical but it's discontinued.
Zowie Mico or Razer Salmosa looks good but it's discontinued.
1. What's your grip style?
Claw
2. What's your sensitivity?
Low
3. What's your maximum budget?
Any
4. Do you want additional buttons?
No
5. What games do you play?
Starcraft
6. Do you mind angle snapping?
Yes, mind
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On September 30 2018 00:17 chaerin wrote:
Hi, I am looking for mouse recommendation
Prefer small, light weight (<80g), wired, low force buttons.
I like Logitech Mini Optical but it's discontinued.
Zowie Mico or Razer Salmosa looks good but it's discontinued.
1. What's your grip style?
Claw
2. What's your sensitivity?
Low
3. What's your maximum budget?
Any
4. Do you want additional buttons?
No
5. What games do you play?
Starcraft
6. Do you mind angle snapping?
Yes, mind
Haven't found anything good in that sizerange. G102/g203/gpro was an okay fit, a bit bigger but the round sides killed it for me. Might work for you.
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On September 30 2018 00:17 chaerin wrote:
Hi, I am looking for mouse recommendation
Prefer small, light weight (<80g), wired, low force buttons.
I like Logitech Mini Optical but it's discontinued.
Zowie Mico or Razer Salmosa looks good but it's discontinued.
1. What's your grip style?
Claw
2. What's your sensitivity?
Low
3. What's your maximum budget?
Any
4. Do you want additional buttons?
No
5. What games do you play?
Starcraft
6. Do you mind angle snapping?
Yes, mind
http://www.rocketjumpninja.com/top-40/
g102/203 should be a good starting point for u
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Got a bit excited about this mouse http://www.finalmouse.com/ultralightphantom.php until i saw that it launched with locked 500hz polling rate which is a significant performance issue for 144hz, 240hz and gsync gaming. Anyone know if there's a way to run 1000hz on them?
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Nice, ty will look into it further :D
Kinda absurd that they'd make a "final mouse" using modern hardware and not have a >500hz mode out of the box
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I wonder if they fixed the breaking scrollwheel for that model
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Hey, can someone fill me in on the Zowie FK1 history a bit? It's pretty confusing to me. I used an FK1 with the yellow mouse wheel for a couple years now (playing CSGO @ 400DPI) and I love the sensor - but now it's falling apart. I started seeing FK1s with a red scroll wheel, and now FK1s with a black scroll wheel. Yellow ones seem to be gone. What are the differences? I vaguely remember hearing that they downgraded, possibly having to do with the BenQ merger?
Also, are there any other driverless 400DPI wired 5-button mice out there that I should look into maybe?
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On October 20 2018 22:24 NihiLStarcraft wrote:
Hey, can someone fill me in on the Zowie FK1 history a bit? It's pretty confusing to me. I used an FK1 with the yellow mouse wheel for a couple years now (playing CSGO @ 400DPI) and I love the sensor - but now it's falling apart. I started seeing FK1s with a red scroll wheel, and now FK1s with a black scroll wheel. Yellow ones seem to be gone. What are the differences? I vaguely remember hearing that they downgraded, possibly having to do with the BenQ merger?
Also, are there any other driverless 400DPI wired 5-button mice out there that I should look into maybe?
I use the FK2 but they should share a similar history with the FK1 as well as the EC and ZA series:
1. Yellow mouse: Old version.
2. After BenQ bought Zowie: Red logo with white transparent scroll wheel (don't know if the red you saw was from the DPI LED light): 16 step scroll wheel (some people say it's crap, and it's in all their mice thereon) and Omron switches with noticeably softer clicks (like Logitech mice), but everyone started having random double-click problems (it also happened to my mouse after 3 months) and these were recalled soon after.
3. Red logo with black scroll wheel (current version and the one I'm using): Zowie went back to Huano switches. If you play mainly RTS this might be bad if you spam clicks as it requires more force to press down. Even after breaking in the mouse the clicks don't feel as soft as Omron switches. I myself don't mind, and for everything else (FPS etc.) should be fine. I hadn't had any problems with the 16 step scroll wheel.
So all these mice listed above use the outdated 3310 sensor, and Zowie recently released a new version of the EC1-A / EC2-A called the EC1-B / EC2-B with the newer 3360 sensor (which they haven't done with the FK and ZA series yet), but people say at the expense of the build quality of everything else, so they prefer the non-updated version. If Zowie ever updates the FK with the 3360 (still not as good as Logitech sensors) and make everything else shit, I'd probably not get it.
If my FK2 mouse had Logitech switches (Omrons that don't double-click) and sensor it would be the perfect mouse for me. Originally I wanted to open up my mice and exchange their guts, but it's not that simple so I just make do with what's available.
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Does anyone know anything about Cherry MC 1000 Svart ?
I want to have a very simple mouse...
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On October 22 2018 00:36 riotjune wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2018 22:24 NihiLStarcraft wrote:
Hey, can someone fill me in on the Zowie FK1 history a bit? It's pretty confusing to me. I used an FK1 with the yellow mouse wheel for a couple years now (playing CSGO @ 400DPI) and I love the sensor - but now it's falling apart. I started seeing FK1s with a red scroll wheel, and now FK1s with a black scroll wheel. Yellow ones seem to be gone. What are the differences? I vaguely remember hearing that they downgraded, possibly having to do with the BenQ merger?
Also, are there any other driverless 400DPI wired 5-button mice out there that I should look into maybe? I use the FK2 but they should share a similar history with the FK1 as well as the EC and ZA series: 1. Yellow mouse: Old version. 2. After BenQ bought Zowie: Red logo with white transparent scroll wheel (don't know if the red you saw was from the DPI LED light): 16 step scroll wheel (some people say it's crap, and it's in all their mice thereon) and Omron switches with noticeably softer clicks (like Logitech mice), but everyone started having random double-click problems (it also happened to my mouse after 3 months) and these were recalled soon after. 3. Red logo with black scroll wheel (current version and the one I'm using): Zowie went back to Huano switches. If you play mainly RTS this might be bad if you spam clicks as it requires more force to press down. Even after breaking in the mouse the clicks don't feel as soft as Omron switches. I myself don't mind, and for everything else (FPS etc.) should be fine. I hadn't had any problems with the 16 step scroll wheel. So all these mice listed above use the outdated 3310 sensor, and Zowie recently released a new version of the EC1-A / EC2-A called the EC1-B / EC2-B with the newer 3360 sensor (which they haven't done with the FK and ZA series yet), but people say at the expense of the build quality of everything else, so they prefer the non-updated version. If Zowie ever updates the FK with the 3360 (still not as good as Logitech sensors) and make everything else shit, I'd probably not get it. If my FK2 mouse had Logitech switches (Omrons that don't double-click) and sensor it would be the perfect mouse for me. Originally I wanted to open up my mice and exchange their guts, but it's not that simple so I just make do with what's available.
The ZA and FK series will have the 3360 sensor and will also have their right sidebuttons removed so if you're a lefty you're being left behind.
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Gonna give this thread a bump and ask for your updated opinions given that "most recent" ones are two years old now. I assume the market has changed a bit and many of you have tried a bigger variety.
I am looking to buy a decent mouse. If possible a standard looking one, i.e., no flashy lights or "alternative" designs etc. Primarily wireless (I do not mind charging it and/or buying new batteries every now and then), would much rather that than being stuck with a cable. Also, do not think I'll need to mention that since it's TL but I'd like some good response times and to not feel laggy or choppy as I'll be using it for gaming too (SC:BW mainly). If anyone has some good opinions on such mouse for around $80/ $90 or less I'll consider buying you a beer 
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On November 25 2020 21:02 y2kid wrote:Gonna give this thread a bump and ask for your updated opinions given that "most recent" ones are two years old now. I assume the market has changed a bit and many of you have tried a bigger variety. I am looking to buy a decent mouse. If possible a standard looking one, i.e., no flashy lights or "alternative" designs etc. Primarily wireless (I do not mind charging it and/or buying new batteries every now and then), would much rather that than being stuck with a cable. Also, do not think I'll need to mention that since it's TL but I'd like some good response times and to not feel laggy or choppy as I'll be using it for gaming too (SC:BW mainly). If anyone has some good opinions on such mouse for around $80/ $90 or less I'll consider buying you a beer
Logitech g305/g403/g703 is your best option, wireless (swappable batteries in the g305), normal looking mouse, no holes or anything and within your budget. The model o wireless is also in your budget, but has holes in em and you'l have to disable all the lights through its software which you'll be using anyways if you want to change your dpi..
Those are about the only really good wireless ones within your budget. Impeccable sensors, 1000hz polling rate (1ms latency),...
The best wireless options (logitech g pro wireless superlight,..) are costly, bar the model o ofcourse. The gpw superlight and viper cost like 140-160, which imo is too expensive but now with the model o wireless version arriving on the market, its competitors might feel pressure to drop their prices. At least that's what we're all hoping for.
Anyhow, with what you described, the logitech g305 is your best bet if you like ambidextrous, if you want an ergonomic mouse, you'll have to go with the g403 or g703. All within your budget btw.
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I'd argue the whole hand size thing is bull. So many people have used big mice with small or average hands, so many people with giant hands have used the steelseries sensei stuff for example.
The whole hand size thing would mean it's an exact science, which it definitely isn't.
Used the intelli 3.0 for ages, with relatively small hands and the 3.0 is still one of the largest ergo mice our there.
People can use it as a guideline if they really want to, but I feel like they should just try anything and everything to find out what kind of mice in terms of size, grip and ergo or ambi they perform best with. No one can do that for you.
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Using G305. Can vouch for it.
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You got to think though, this is for FPS gaming where quick reactions and precision is paramount. Using a big mouse when your fingertips are on the wrong end of the mouse button can easily be like playing with an extra 0.05s reaction or 50 ping which is like life and death for those type of games. Plus if you palm grip you can use a bigger mice which is likely how you are using intellimouse since the shape isn't suitable for anything else for smaller hands. There is no substitute for being able to try out mice, but for many, there isn't that possibility.
I've seen too many children or young teens or women playing with mice that are too big for them (there doesn't seem to be any gaming mouse for non-adult hands or even female hands anymore) to discount that hand size is an important factor. It's a useful chart anyways, I wanted to buy a gaming mouse for a younger cousin a few years ago and there was no chart like this then and I had to manually go through several websites to get measurements and many don't even give that infomation.
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