EPTDo macro keys get you banned on Sc2?
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D3ath3nat0r
United States163 Posts
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SmoKe93
Germany162 Posts
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Nazarid
United States445 Posts
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KMARTRULES
Australia474 Posts
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bobbingmatt
Australia224 Posts
If you have a button the does one thing ('mouse4' presses '1') that's okay But if you have a button that does more then one thing ('mouse4' presses 'ctrl'+'1') then that is not okay. As i said i'm not sure if it is true, it's just what i heard. | ||
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caldor
Denmark41 Posts
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Nazarid
United States445 Posts
On December 02 2010 09:18 caldor wrote: No, they do not get you banned. Was a long forum topic about it. Blizzard even sells macro mouse and keyboard for their games, and it is probably one of the reasons pros are to bring their own keyboards. Got a link to that post? | ||
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k20
United States342 Posts
On December 02 2010 09:18 caldor wrote: No, they do not get you banned. Was a long forum topic about it. Blizzard even sells macro mouse and keyboard for their games, and it is probably one of the reasons pros are to bring their own keyboards. Yeah but I've never seen a pro play on a keyboard with macro keys. | ||
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Nazarid
United States445 Posts
On December 02 2010 09:33 k20 wrote: Yeah but I've never seen a pro play on a keyboard with macro keys. I have mostly seen them play on a mechanical keyboard and getting one of those with customizable keys is insanely priced well over 200$+, the basic mechanical keyboard runs 90-150$ | ||
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Marquise
United States50 Posts
On December 02 2010 09:09 bobbingmatt wrote: What I heard, not sure if it is true, If you have a button the does one thing ('mouse4' presses '1') that's okay But if you have a button that does more then one thing ('mouse4' presses 'ctrl'+'1') then that is not okay. As i said i'm not sure if it is true, it's just what i heard. This man speaks the truth, I'll try to dig up the blizz quotes supporting it if I have time | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17727 Posts
On December 02 2010 08:34 D3ath3nat0r wrote: Does using the Customizable Macro Keys on a keybaord have the chance of getting you banned on sc2? You won't be banned using it on sc2 bnet. The only way its even possible to enforce it or detect someone is using one is through checking frame rate which seems rather impractical to code for something so small. I would say its banned in tournaments though. At least for most offline/live tournaments. | ||
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HocusPocus
Germany214 Posts
im not sure if this counts for the blizzard hardware, but there is a thread on tl about it so im pretty sure that it can get you banned when using macros. Using a Keyboard that has macro keys without using the keys is fine (i use a macrokeyboard myself but i dont use the macrokeys in sc2) edit: found the thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=146760 | ||
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vicariouscheese
United States589 Posts
but i highly doubt theyll get you banned, theyre just not allowed in tournaments | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17727 Posts
On December 02 2010 10:04 HocusPocus wrote: using Macrokeys with multiple binds will get you banned from bnet2.0 im not sure if this counts for the blizzard hardware, but there is a thread on tl about it so im pretty sure that it can get you banned when using macros. Using a Keyboard that has macro keys without using the keys is fine (i use a macrokeyboard myself but i dont use the macrokeys in sc2) I wonder how they detect you're using macro keys though? | ||
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NihiLStarcraft
Denmark1413 Posts
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caldor
Denmark41 Posts
Yea, maybe they should consider changing business partners then. Selling Mouse and Keyboards ESPECIALLY designed for SC2 that supports easy macro making, is more than a little misleading. I guess maybe they just did not like Logitechs way of making macros, which they probably detected as a third party software doing something with SC2 that it was not supposed to be doing. I for one sure would not keep silent about being banned using something they are also promoting. I do not use macro keys, mostly because I would have to think out uses for it, and would probably end up having it screw a game or two just because I clicked the wrong macro at some point. But truly fail to have one part ban people for using macros, and then sell macro recording keyboards for the very same game. But then, on the EU forums we have a thread about this, buried somewhere, where a guy had a different response from a admin about this question. But if I was the person banned for using macros, I would probably ask about the: http://www2.razerzone.com/sc2/marauder.php And wth we are supposed to think? And just to nail it down so noone is mistaken: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/1073985#blog Blizzard IS promoting this keyboard and have promoted macro enabled keyboards for their games since WoW. Maybe even since Warcraft 3, but I am not sure. Oh, I might as well add the kicker for this Starcraft 2 product: Designed exclusively for StarCraft® II: Wings of Liberty™, the Razer Marauder StarCraft II gaming keyboard is a full-featured, tournament ready keyboard with an extremely compact design. The Razer Marauder’s elevated keys are perfected for rapid commands and improved gaming performance. Your increased performance is monitored by an all new APM (Actions-Per-Minute) Lighting System that provides real-time performance feedback through changing color hues for a completely immersive gaming experience. Enhanced with a dedicated on-the-fly macro recording system, the Razer Marauder is built with a gaming optimized design that reflects the StarCraft II universe and bolsters the gameplay experience. Yep, thats right: Enhanced with a dedicated on-the-fly macro recording system, the Razer Marauder is built with a gaming optimized design that reflects the StarCraft II universe and bolsters the gameplay experience. Its even in the same sentence. I think they need to make it a wee bit more transparant that players buying this not so cheap set, that they might end up losing their account if they use the full features of this SC2 controller set. | ||
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caldor
Denmark41 Posts
But as of now, there is nothing clear about not being allowed to use macros. I really doubt that a pro gamer would actually end up winning a game because of macros. My guess is that this person who got banned just got unlucky and won against an SC2 admin, he noticed he was using macros, and thought he would decide what was and was not allowed to use in SC2. | ||
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Minzy
Australia387 Posts
same thing happened a while ago in wow didnt it? | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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hitman133
United States1425 Posts
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
On December 03 2010 06:09 hitman133 wrote: What's wrong with macro key ? I mean I'm just sitting home, play the game for fun. And they ban us b/c of those macro key? Oh btw how could they know I'm using macro key in the game anyway? Really easy, If you have a macro that do : 4szzzzzzzzz (which produces ling from hatchs) all the milliseconds between each key press will always be the same which is not humanly possible. If you do it more than once in a game, it's even easier to detect. I hope they enforce the bans on macro usage, it's for noobs and cheaters. | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On December 03 2010 06:28 ScDeluX wrote: Really easy, If you have a macro that do : 4szzzzzzzzz (which produces ling from hatchs) all the milliseconds between each key press will always be the same which is not humanly possible. If you do it more than once in a game, it's even easier to detect. I hope they enforce the bans on macro usage, it's for noobs and cheaters. or you could just have done 4z and held the z key down the whole time which will spawn zerglings faster than even a macro can as it has to give the commands seperately | ||
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
On December 03 2010 06:54 emythrel wrote: or you could just have done 4z and held the z key down the whole time which will spawn zerglings faster than even a macro can as it has to give the commands seperately I did not knew that, I play toss. Still adds nothing to the thread. Another example could be 4sd5sd6sd if you hotkey your hatch individually but thats not the point here. | ||
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julianto
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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Twitch89
Canada24 Posts
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1302702180#9 http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/540956422?page=5 From the sounds of it, it is OK to rebind a single action to a macro ie) rebind a key to a different key, but multiple actions per keystroke is ban-able. | ||
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universalwill
United States654 Posts
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holynorth
United States590 Posts
While I am not saying that this is right or wrong, and it is still a bannable offense, you would not get caught. | ||
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Doomblaze
United States1292 Posts
You can not make a macro that performs more than 1 action. 1 key can not perform more than 1 action. 1 Action per key is ok. 2 Actions per key is not ok. 1 key can not perform more than 1 action. Shift+1 selecting control group 1 is considered a single ACTION. It is 2 key presses but a single action. The keyword is action. Blizzard licenses products, not designs them. If a product manufacturer includes software that allows for macros or advertises features which automate gameplay; blizzard has no control over that. Blizzard in fact does support macros, macros that perform a single key press or single action. -From the link twitch89 posted | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
On December 02 2010 10:07 Ilikestarcraft wrote: I wonder how they detect you're using macro keys though? If you watched through the replay from the player perspective, you would most likely notice inconsistency between active APM and certain actions. Like Mouse 4 = "4+ddaaaaaa" as opposed to the rest of the actions of a player. And every time they use it, you'd see a pattern. It's pretty impossible to prove, but it's easy to notice I think. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 02 2010 10:07 Ilikestarcraft wrote: I wonder how they detect you're using macro keys though? Well they've banned for it before, so there most likely is some way. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warden_(software) Probably this. | ||
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
On December 03 2010 05:43 GreEny K wrote: I don't even understand the need for macro keys in SC2, it's not liek the game requires 300+ APM and you can't keep up. If you can't click "Ctrl+1" and so on fast enough you should not be playing the game. SC2 is already easier than BW and now people want to do macro keys that do multiple things at once... LOL? | ||
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holynorth
United States590 Posts
On January 13 2011 06:40 Shikyo wrote: Well they've banned for it before, so there most likely is some way. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warden_(software) Probably this. Quite easy. You press one key. The software on your computer receives that one key and sends multiple key presses to the game. However, Warden sees all of this happening. Thats why, like I said before, certain keyboards cannot be caught. | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
On January 13 2011 05:46 13_Doomblaze_37 wrote: You can rebind 1 key to another. You can not make a macro that performs more than 1 action. 1 key can not perform more than 1 action. 1 Action per key is ok. 2 Actions per key is not ok. 1 key can not perform more than 1 action. Shift+1 selecting control group 1 is considered a single ACTION. It is 2 key presses but a single action. The keyword is action. Blizzard licenses products, not designs them. If a product manufacturer includes software that allows for macros or advertises features which automate gameplay; blizzard has no control over that. Blizzard in fact does support macros, macros that perform a single key press or single action. -From the link twitch89 posted A very relevant quote And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O LORD, bless this Thy hand grenade that with it Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits, in Thy mercy." And the LORD did grin and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats and large chu... And the LORD spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it." Amen. 1 action per key. They had this rule for wow also. | ||
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jgad
Canada899 Posts
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Pistolfied
Canada79 Posts
On January 13 2011 09:14 jgad wrote: Personally, I wouldn't use macros in SC2 anyway, but for things that may not be obvious like this you would think that they would post official rules in a highly conspicuous place to let people know about this. I can see a lot of non-hardcores - casual non-starcraft people who just bought the game and screw about in bronze or silver - setting up macros without even thinking about it and then -BAM - you've just flushed your SCII licence down the drain. A nice and simple page of rules when you first play would be nice, and not something buried on page 78 of a T&C contract that perhaps 0.000001% of all people will ever read more than a sentence of. Just because you didn't bother to read the terms of usage when you created your account doesn't mean that you are free of the terms within it. That's like saying you didn't know murder was against the law because you never bothered to find out what was illegal as a defence in court - it doesn't work that way. | ||
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jgad
Canada899 Posts
On January 13 2011 09:21 Pistolfied wrote: Just because you didn't bother to read the terms of usage when you created your account doesn't mean that you are free of the terms within it. That's like saying you didn't know murder was against the law because you never bothered to find out what was illegal as a defence in court - it doesn't work that way. Come, now, let's not be truculent about this. Macros are hardly murder, and I'm speaking primarily from the point of view of the mass public out there who bought SC2 as a game for fun and not a hyper-competitive e-sport. Surely you can't expect it to be immediately obvious to non RTS gurus than macros are a no-no - surely not enough so to justify taking away their purchased copy of SCII straight out like that. As a long time fan of BW and the competitive scene it is perferctly obvious to me that macros are unfair but I don't think it would be such a red flag for a lot of Blizzard's customers. Asking for conspicuous rules is not really out of the question, is it? | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
If you use the macro key to set a macro for something like what a previous poster said (4szzzzzz), then they will detect your keypresses are far too fast for a human (not sure if Warden does this, or if something else does), and therefore you will be banned (and probably should). Why does the Marauder have macro keys? Because people use keyboards for other things besides Starcraft 2. | ||
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