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Cicero
Canada33 Posts
Im kind of a noob, and i just got the Razer DeathAdder 3.5 and i was wondering what the most optimal settings are for SC2. I know its a preference thing, but i want to know which settings i should try out. I have no idea what a lot of the things in the driver settings mean, so detail would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Cicero | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
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Cicero
Canada33 Posts
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mardi
United States1164 Posts
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Cicero
Canada33 Posts
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Glockateer
United States254 Posts
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Palmersquall
United States10 Posts
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Cicero
Canada33 Posts
thanks. | ||
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5502 Posts
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Dugrok
Canada377 Posts
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Gotmog
Serbia899 Posts
From what i know DPI is dots per inch ? And by incresing it i have to decrese sensitivity, but whats the difference ? etc... | ||
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Enervate
United States1769 Posts
On October 18 2010 00:14 Gotmog wrote: Can some1 explain me, what exactly do DPI, sensitivity , hz do ? From what i know DPI is dots per inch ? And by incresing it i have to decrese sensitivity, but whats the difference ? etc... Dots per inch means how many dots your pointer moves for every inch you move your mouse. You don't have to decrease sensitivity if you increase your DPI. An optimal sensitivity is 6/11. If you feel your mouse is too sensitive or not sensitive enough, your better off just adjusting your DPI. Hz is the response time for the mouse, but its pretty much negligible as long as you have some sort of gaming mouse. To the OP, I recommend 1800 DPI for SC2, since you do need pretty fast mouse movements. I use 1800 with my deathadder on a 1368x768 (or something close to that) and it feels great to me. You should try it out, and if it's a too sensitive, turn it down to 900 DPI. | ||
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icesolo
Australia34 Posts
Windows Sensitivity scales the mouse movement in a exponential manner. 6/11 Windows Sensitivity is a 1:1 ratio of your mouse movement to registered Windows cursor movement. Hz is the USB polling rate for your Mouse - its best to leave it at 1000Hz for the best response. For example, If you try 450 DPI 6/11 Windows sens, you will find thats the same to 1800 DPI 3/11 Windows sens. Its best to leave the hardware calculations out of it completly, and just have a 1:1 ratio with the DPI and 6/11 Windows sensitivty. Change your ingame sensitivty to suit whatever you want. I reccommend taking off mouse acceleration as well, so your arm movement and muscle memory stays constant throughout the entire movement range. For Windows XP, google "CPL mouse fix" and add the registery hack there. For Windows 7, google "Mark C Mouse Fix" and follow his instructions. Hope this helps. | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
On October 16 2010 09:08 Black Gun wrote: acceleration off, sensitivity to 6/11, dpi to 1800. try that. lol thats exactly what i use :D in sc2 i use lowest resolution and 60% speed | ||
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Ryps
Romania2740 Posts
Hope that helps | ||
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drlame
Sweden574 Posts
On October 16 2010 10:12 Glockateer wrote: I don't use the deathadder but use 450/900 dpi and 500hz. More dpi is overkill and you'll lose speed rather than gaining it. You should note that DPi =/= speed. If you raise you dpi you're mouse will move less "jerky" and of course you'll experience an increase in speed. I personally recommend to play on highest dpi with low sensitivity if you have a steady hand. Otherwise switch the settings around (low dpi high sensitivity). Anyway, I have the exact same mouse and use the following settings: In the razer driver: 3600dpi, 1000Mhz polling rate, acc. off, windows pointer speed at 5, X/Y axis on 5 and sensitivity on 10. | ||
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Steel
Japan2283 Posts
On October 16 2010 09:08 Black Gun wrote: acceleration off, sensitivity to 6/11, dpi to 1800. try that. Sorry for noobish question but i'm not sure what you mean by sensitivity 6/11 Axe X 6 and Axe Y 11? | ||
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Cicero
Canada33 Posts
I tried the accel off, sens at 6/11, 1800 dpi and 60% ingame, and it works very well for me. Thank you all for your help! | ||
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Glockateer
United States254 Posts
500hz is more consistant, too. | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
without going too deep into the details, there are certain technical reasons why increasing the mouse sensitivity above 6/11 greatly reduces precision. there are also certains reasons to prefer to stay at 6/11 instead of going below that, but going below is not as detrimental as going above it. now, dpi stands for dots per inch. this figure tells us how many pixels of mouse movement the mouse sensor will register for each mouse movement of one inch. so the higher the dpi, the farther the cursor will move as a result of the same mouse movement. therefore, dpi can be seen as the hardware sensitivity setting and the mouse sensitivity setting in the driver or windows can be seen as the software-side of mouse sensitivity. the efficient sensitivity, ie the overall outcome of all this, is the combination of both the software and hardware part of sens. for the reasons mentioned above, it is desirable to adjust the overall sensitivity purely by adjusting the dpi, as any change of the softwareside from the 6/11 sweet spot would reduce precision. many applications offer a modifier to the sensitivity. the setting in sc2 though is just a proxy for the windows setting. this means it suffers from the exact same problems, increasing it beyond 50% (which corresponds to 6/11 in the windows mouse sensitivity settings menu) will reduce precision. but as rts games arent nearly as demanding in the department of pixel-accurate clicking as fps games, a setting of 60% in sc2 is no problem at all. i would highly recommend to not go beyond that though. also note that the efficient sens depends on the screen resolution. if u need one inch of mouse movement to make i through ur screen on a certain dpi setting and a certain resolution, u will need twice the dpi for the same sens on twice the resolution. for example, 400 dpi on 800x600 will yield the same efficient sensitivity as 800 dpi on 1600x1200. i hope that helped a bit. the polling rate doesnt really matter, just set it to 500 or 1000 mhz. it really doesnt matter that much. the difference between the 2 is that with 500 mhz, there is a 2 ms delay between ur mouseclick and the action being processed, with 1000mhz, that delay which is caused by the mouse is only 1ms. as no one on bn will ever have less than some 30-40 ms of ping anyway, it wont make a difference. | ||
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mardi
United States1164 Posts
now i use a logitech g9x @ 1300dpi, 6/11 windows sens. 1000hz. no acc or angle snapping. | ||
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Anxiety
United States650 Posts
EDIT omg 1800 is so smooth compared to 3500. and i still feel in control of it. im useing it now. | ||
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
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Gcubed
United States131 Posts
On October 18 2010 12:17 Black Gun wrote: for example, 400 dpi on 800x600 will yield the same efficient sensitivity as 800 dpi on 1600x1200. I have an odd question, but you seem like you can help me. I loved my old mouse setting of 1800DPI on 1280x1024 resolution, but I've upgraded to 1920x1080. So is there anyway to calculate a similar feeling DPI on the 1920x1080 resolution? | ||
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Boundless
Canada588 Posts
That entire calculation maybe bad and wrong, but that's what I would probably do. As far as my settings go, I use the same resolution and have my DeathAdder set to full 3500 DPI at 1000 Hz refresh rate and the master sensitivity at 8.5. Both X and Y axes are set to full sensitivity at 10. I have a giant mouse-mat and use about 10% of it, since my settings are so high. =D Also, it is UNTRUE that 400 DPI at 800x600 will feel the same as 800 DPI at 1600x1200. You would need a DPI of 1600 to make it feel the same, since 1600x1200 has four times as many pixels as 800x600. | ||
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Gemini_19
United States1238 Posts
I'm guessing the acc off, 6/11, 1800 DPI is what seems good for everyone. Will I be able to change the DPI once I set it? | ||
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Boundless
Canada588 Posts
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Gcubed
United States131 Posts
On December 15 2010 06:32 Boundless wrote: Not sure, Gcubed. You could always take the ratio of the number of pixels in your old resolution (multiply 1280 by 1024) with the number of pixels in the new resolution (multiply 1920 by 1080). Then you could multiply your DPI by that ratio to get something that will have the same Dots/Pixel. . If i understand correctly 1310720 / 2073600 x 2850 = 1801.48 So 2850 would be the proper DPI? | ||
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Penecks
United States600 Posts
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Jarek
Australia35 Posts
Also don't change your Windows sens off 6/11 or it'll also create negative acceleration. | ||
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Shrugger
44 Posts
http://phoon.us/mouse/ This is a great site which should answer everything you need, however I am not sure if the calculations work for sc2. They do work for most fps pc games, but the info below is still very helpful. edit: And there is a risk of having too high dpi with low sens. Might not be a problem for any of you, but I used a really low sens for left 4 dead 2, and it caused negative accel with 3500dpi. The problem has been fixed since I started using lower dpi. I am an extreme case tho, since I play fps games at 11.4inch/360 | ||
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Divine[aX]
Canada161 Posts
Thanks for the info | ||
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creamwolf
United States48 Posts
On October 18 2010 09:16 Glockateer wrote: People keep thinking higher dpi will make you do faster movements which is false. Being able to accurately flick your mouse disappears when its too fast so you actually lose speed. 500hz is more consistant, too. 500hz ? You have a nice alienware comp, might as well go all out. | ||
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Boundless
Canada588 Posts
On December 15 2010 06:49 Gcubed wrote: If i understand correctly 1310720 / 2073600 x 2850 = 1801.48 So 2850 would be the proper DPI? According to my math, 2850 is the exact number, but most mice don't let you pick an exact value. Go with the higher value (at least 2850), and then play with it from there. | ||
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Liha
26 Posts
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MerciLess
213 Posts
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On January 05 2011 03:39 MerciLess wrote: Just got my deathadder today, been messing around with stuff, what do you guys think about playing with full 3500 and low in game sensitivity? Is there a benefit to doing it that way, or do you think 1800 dpi with midlevel in game sensitivity is better? optimal is ingame sens of ~ 53 % (no skipping) and adjusting dpi from then on. use 2600dpi @ 1680x1050 and 53% myself with my razer imperator. | ||
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MerciLess
213 Posts
Edit : I suppose I am under the(possibly wrong) assumption that higher DPI is better? | ||
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Leviwtf
174 Posts
Windows Sensitivity at 6/11, Mouse acceleration/enhance pointer precision OFF SC2 Sensitivity between 51-54% (doesn't matter which exact number), reduce mouse lag ON Everyone should have the above settings to have a true 1:1 ratio and avoid mouse innaccuracies. Now regarding the razer devices, you use the razer 1-10 sensitivity to adjust how fast you want your mouse to move, there is nothing wrong with anywhere on this range its just personal preference. Also, if you set it to 10 and its too slow than raise your mouses DPI usually via a switch or setting to the next higher increment (ie: from 1800 or 3500) and then try it out with 1/10 and keep going. You don't need to touch any other settings, the polling rate, or the x/y axis. Also, get a freakin mousepad I see so many people play on their desk which just compromises the whole thing. Your only as strong as your weakest link. Damn my TLDR turned out too long. | ||
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Firkraag8
Sweden1006 Posts
![[image loading]](http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b135/Firkraag8/deathaddersettings.png) Are they optimal for the whole 1:1 pixel ratio thing? Also got 53% in SC2. Thanks in advance! | ||
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Lms0
Norway12 Posts
On October 18 2010 02:53 Steel wrote: Sorry for noobish question but i'm not sure what you mean by sensitivity 6/11 Axe X 6 and Axe Y 11? No 6 out of 11 in windows | ||
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Ptur
Ukraine85 Posts
im using 3/11 with 3500 dpi atm and im thinking if 6/11 with 1800 dpi is better for 1:1 accuracy | ||
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landmarktiger
226 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On May 19 2011 00:29 landmarktiger wrote: I am really glad i found this thread. I have been struggling with my mouse settings. I have one question - does it make sense to buy an expenssive mouse pad or any cheap one will do? Price != Quality. But a good mousing surface that feels natural is a good investment. | ||
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kirdie
Germany221 Posts
I personally use 6/11 together with 900 dpi and it feels good for me @51% in starcraft. I also recently used the "marc windows 7 mouse fix" and tested with the included program for 1:1 translation. | ||
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Sathiroth
Australia93 Posts
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mardi
United States1164 Posts
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vince1234
39 Posts
What do you guys think the best setting for the deathadder with this setup? | ||
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Tweeto
United States62 Posts
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giX
United States185 Posts
6/11 on Windows 6/10 in Razer 1800 DPI in Razer settings 54% in sc2 it OWNS. On June 17 2011 17:39 mardi wrote: I use 1800 dpi on a 1920x1080 screen. Left everything on default basically which means sensitivity and stuff is all default. My polling rate is 1000hz. my windows Sensitivity is 6/11 which is defaultt. I play at 54% ingame sc2 and 1920x1080. Great minds think alike eh? | ||
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naolin
United States81 Posts
so do you guys mean... 6/11 in WINDOWS 6/10 in Razor general sensitivity 6/10 in Razor Advanced sensitivity Windows Mouse Pointer I'm trying that out right now but if i want it a little more sensitive not sure when one i should be adjusting. The following poster already posted a pic of the three settings | ||
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giX
United States185 Posts
On August 24 2011 15:46 naolin wrote: so do you guys mean... 6/11 in WINDOWS 6/10 in Razor general sensitivity 6/10 in Razor Advanced sensitivity Windows Mouse Pointer yes, should be default. just adjust the % in sc2 to your preference. | ||
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TimeFlighT
Australia257 Posts
DPI 3500 6/11 Windows 1000 hz Acceleration OFF Mouse scrolling 19% (in-game) I got used to a 3200 dpi mouse so 1800 dpi feels slow for me. | ||
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
Think I got the rest of the settings right. Ok, I think I got it. It looks like if accel is on there is a green highlight behind the word on and if it's off there is no highlight. At least that's what I'm assuming for now. | ||
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slytown
Korea (South)1411 Posts
Default windows sensitivity. 3500 DPI 1000hz Acceleration off (on top of Mark C mouse fix) In-game 51% (optimal is between 50% and 60%, not 50%0 Razer sensitivity 2 Note: As long as you have the Mark C mouse fix on, you don't have to worry about in-game being locked to windows. However, many games already bypass that bug. http://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.com/2010/03/markc-windows-7-mouse-acceleration-fix.html Edit: Recently changed mine to 1800DPI, 1000hz, razer sen 4. Feels a little more precise. I have an aluminum keyboard so high DPI isn't so good. | ||
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ReDXfiRe
Peru2 Posts
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Infernal_dream
United States2359 Posts
On November 09 2012 11:15 ReDXfiRe wrote: hello I got a question; there has been a new update for the drivers, called Synapse 2.0; and a lot of setting options have changed and now with the synapse 2.0 my deathadder has a different feel and there's nothing I can do about it there no real option to customize settings for deathadder 3.5g... anyone has a work around on the synapse 2.0 using the old settings which i liked? Uhh it should have the option to change accel/dpi/polling rate just like the old one? O.o I have a naga and it kept all the same settings. You can also just use the old drivers and deny updates. | ||
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