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tubs
Profile Joined March 2010
764 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-21 10:06:05
July 21 2010 08:44 GMT
#1
Just came across a very useful video card review based on the latest Starcraft 2 beta patch at http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/34344-starcraft-ii-gpu-performance-comparison.html. This review concentrates on only cards that can sustain 30+ fps on ultra settings on up to 2560 x 1600 resolution. It also provides benchmarks in the WORST CASE SCENARIO of a massive multiplayer FFA replay. This should be very helpful to those planning on preparing to have a monster rig before retail hits.

The recommendation for best price/performance is the new Nvidia GTX 460 1 gig card. ATI cards even as low as the 5750 were able to do 1920 x 1200 ultra settings at smooth frame rates, but only the high end cards could do 2560 x 1600 resolution at 30+ fps.

EDIT: I read the benchmarks wrong. The ATI 5750 can even do 2560 x 1600 resolution at 30+ fps, but only the high end Nvidia cards could do that resolution with 4x AA enabled. Apparently the ATI drivers don't allow for 4x AA in Starcraft 2.
"Roach dies to immortal and rockit black guy" - Tierdal.thex
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
July 21 2010 08:45 GMT
#2
Yeah the 460 cards are great if you game on a 30" screen.
There's no S in KT. :P
xzidez
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden147 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-21 09:37:29
July 21 2010 09:36 GMT
#3
Myself I run with an radeon card and gets a corrupt cursor every now and then. Perhaps anyone who knows something about this and how to fix it?
(Ive tried formatting and every possible driver there is out there)
tubs
Profile Joined March 2010
764 Posts
July 21 2010 10:13 GMT
#4
On July 21 2010 18:36 xzidez wrote:
Myself I run with an radeon card and gets a corrupt cursor every now and then. Perhaps anyone who knows something about this and how to fix it?
(Ive tried formatting and every possible driver there is out there)


I had the same problem for my ATI Radeon HD5570 card. It happened randomly in SC2 that the cursor would get corrupt each day I played the beta in phase 2. The weird thing is that it stopped happening for the last two days of the beta. The only thing that changed about my system around that time was SC2 got updated to the 0.21 patch and I installed 2 "important" updates on Windows 7 update.

I've been stressing my system with FurMark + Prime95 + using two monitors off the video card at same time + running a SC2 200 supply replay on ultra settings for the past day and can't reproduce the corrupt cursor bug. No idea if the bug for me is gone or if it just randomly isn't occuring. Frustrating to track down.
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Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6106 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-21 12:57:11
July 21 2010 12:57 GMT
#5
I'm using a ATi 5870 mobilty (equivalent to a desktop HD5770 I think), and average around 35fps on ultra settings @ 1920x1080 resolution.

Quite disappointed with that, hopefully ATI fixes performance in future drivers.

Also whats the reason Blizzard didn't put AA in? I mean AA is standard in every single PC now.
#1 Terran hater
Jenslyn87
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark527 Posts
July 21 2010 13:05 GMT
#6
That test has a few problems... the game has gotten progressively harder to run with the patches released during the beta, and I'm not sure the test shows accurate numbers. It has very high minimum fps, but seriously during a big battle even very strong pcs will drop way down in fps.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/blizzard-entertainment-starcraft-ii-benchmark,2611-6.html

is probably more representative of actual performance. But yea, the game is pretty cpu demanding
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Jenslyn87
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark527 Posts
July 21 2010 13:06 GMT
#7
About the cursor bug: I got it too... there MIGHT be a correlation with your video card clock frequencies. I'm not sure át all, but maybe. Have you guys overclocked your Ati cards?

It happens so rarely to me that it isn't that much of a problem, but it sure does bother me when it shows up
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Konsume
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada466 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-21 13:52:08
July 21 2010 13:45 GMT
#8
On July 21 2010 18:36 xzidez wrote:
Myself I run with an radeon card and gets a corrupt cursor every now and then. Perhaps anyone who knows something about this and how to fix it?
(Ive tried formatting and every possible driver there is out there)

On July 21 2010 19:13 tubs wrote:
I had the same problem for my ATI Radeon HD5570 card. It happened randomly in SC2 that the cursor would get corrupt each day I played the beta in phase 2. The weird thing is that it stopped happening for the last two days of the beta. The only thing that changed about my system around that time was SC2 got updated to the 0.21 patch and I installed 2 "important" updates on Windows 7 update.

I've been stressing my system with FurMark + Prime95 + using two monitors off the video card at same time + running a SC2 200 supply replay on ultra settings for the past day and can't reproduce the corrupt cursor bug. No idea if the bug for me is gone or if it just randomly isn't occuring. Frustrating to track down.


Yes I know how to fix it... it's a KNOWN bug spread around the 4xxxx, 5xxxx HD series. They fixed it on the 9.x drivers and it's back in the 10.x drivers. So basicaly what you should do it you don't want to deal with this bug is:

Delete 10.6 drivers (or what ever driver you're on)
Reinstall 9.12 drivers

Hey voila! no more corrupted pointer for you!


There has been a problem with 10.x drivers that are known they just can't fix it for some reason. So revert back to 9.12 till they fix their driver problem... which they said it will be "SOON!" That being said, 9.12 runs SUPER fine with SC2 and I run with an Eyefinity setup (tho it's not working for sc2).


here is the link if you're on Vista/Win7 x64
http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/previous/Pages/radeonaiw_vista64.aspx
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
jojoleb
Profile Joined April 2010
Lebanon180 Posts
July 21 2010 13:46 GMT
#9
Guys,
i have a 3 year old Nvidia 8800 GT 640 MB and Starcraft 2 (beta) is working very well on with it(win vista) on medium-high settings.

what do you think i should get as my next VGA while getting significant improvement in terms of performance and also a VGA that is able to handle for example FPS games for the next few years ?

(PS: my budget is around 200-250$)
Peekay.switch
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada285 Posts
July 21 2010 14:07 GMT
#10
On July 21 2010 22:46 jojoleb wrote:
Guys,
i have a 3 year old Nvidia 8800 GT 640 MB and Starcraft 2 (beta) is working very well on with it(win vista) on medium-high settings.

what do you think i should get as my next VGA while getting significant improvement in terms of performance and also a VGA that is able to handle for example FPS games for the next few years ?

(PS: my budget is around 200-250$)


8800 is such a freaking bad ass card! Just like the 9600.

Honesty, my 9600 is doing fine for Starcraft 2, and that's all I play, so I dont really need to change it, but if you really want to move forward.

200-250$ can get you an ATI Radeon 5770, which would be a important improvement over your 8800. Personally, I'd go with Nvidia but you're looking at a higher budget. I Have had bad experience with ATI in general and decided it was worth paying more to get a quality product. Even now there is some problems with ATI and Starcraft 2 as mentionned in the post.

For about 200$ you can have a GTX 260, or you can invest 300$ and get a GTX 285.
I use a GTX 280 and everything is smooth as silk, but I Can't tell you the difference in perfomance between the 285 and the 260 since I have not tried them, but you can look at some benchmark!
Kolvacs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1203 Posts
July 21 2010 14:09 GMT
#11
I have the GTX 260, and I've had no problems at all running SC2 on Ultra settings. I'm extremely happy with my GPU.
Ndugu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1078 Posts
July 21 2010 14:11 GMT
#12
My badass 8800 GTS could play the game on settings that don't really look noticably different from ultra-- ultra textures, medum/high everything else.

It finally died though, got it at launch.

Replaced it with a 470 GTX when they launched. w00t
jojoleb
Profile Joined April 2010
Lebanon180 Posts
July 21 2010 14:20 GMT
#13
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 21 2010 23:07 Peekay.switch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2010 22:46 jojoleb wrote:
Guys,
i have a 3 year old Nvidia 8800 GT 640 MB and Starcraft 2 (beta) is working very well on with it(win vista) on medium-high settings.

what do you think i should get as my next VGA while getting significant improvement in terms of performance and also a VGA that is able to handle for example FPS games for the next few years ?

(PS: my budget is around 200-250$)


8800 is such a freaking bad ass card! Just like the 9600.

Honesty, my 9600 is doing fine for Starcraft 2, and that's all I play, so I dont really need to change it, but if you really want to move forward.

200-250$ can get you an ATI Radeon 5770, which would be a important improvement over your 8800. Personally, I'd go with Nvidia but you're looking at a higher budget. I Have had bad experience with ATI in general and decided it was worth paying more to get a quality product. Even now there is some problems with ATI and Starcraft 2 as mentionned in the post.

For about 200$ you can have a GTX 260, or you can invest 300$ and get a GTX 285.
I use a GTX 280 and everything is smooth as silk, but I Can't tell you the difference in perfomance between the 285 and the 260 since I have not tried them, but you can look at some benchmark!


how about Nvidia 275 ?
which is better 275 or 460 ?
Azile
Profile Joined March 2010
United States339 Posts
July 21 2010 14:30 GMT
#14
Not sure why HD 4870 isn't listed on either of those charts while it's easily Ultra capable and on par or slightly better than a few of those cards listed.
FearGorm
Profile Joined July 2010
United States112 Posts
July 21 2010 14:39 GMT
#15
1. What do I need to upgrade on this rig to stream at max quality on Ustream while recording SC2 on Ultra with max recording quality?
2. If it's the graphics card, what graphics card will do what I want it to do for around $200
3. Do I need more RAM? If so, what do you recommend I buy?

Assume I'm on Mac OS X, so the requirements are a little higher (at least according to the article).

Processor: 2x 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 512MB
Memory: 4GB 800 MHz DDR2
Resolution: 1920 x 1200
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ta2
Profile Joined July 2010
125 Posts
July 21 2010 14:45 GMT
#16
On July 21 2010 22:46 jojoleb wrote:
Guys,
i have a 3 year old Nvidia 8800 GT 640 MB and Starcraft 2 (beta) is working very well on with it(win vista) on medium-high settings.

what do you think i should get as my next VGA while getting significant improvement in terms of performance and also a VGA that is able to handle for example FPS games for the next few years ?

(PS: my budget is around 200-250$)

I have a 512MB 8800GT and run on high with a decent frame rate. I do have a i5 750 @ 4GHz though, so maybe that helps a bit - I think it's almost entirely dependent upon the graphics card though.

I would suggest going for a 768MB GTX 460 ~£150 or a 1024MB GTX 465 ~£180. That should fit in your $200-250 price range if you do the conversion.
Abraxas514
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada475 Posts
July 21 2010 14:52 GMT
#17
@Peekay.switch:

What are you smoking? The 5770 isn't 200-250, its 160 CA!

http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=13630BD0841&vpn=AX5770 1GBD5-H&manufacture=POWERCOLOR

I'm running sc2 on a 5770 OCed about 10%, i5 750 OCed to 4Ghz, run sc2 on all HIGH settings (not ultra) and I get a solid 100 FPS all the time. On Ultra, its between 30-50.
Fear is the mind killer
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
July 21 2010 14:59 GMT
#18
On July 21 2010 23:20 jojoleb wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 21 2010 23:07 Peekay.switch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2010 22:46 jojoleb wrote:
Guys,
i have a 3 year old Nvidia 8800 GT 640 MB and Starcraft 2 (beta) is working very well on with it(win vista) on medium-high settings.

what do you think i should get as my next VGA while getting significant improvement in terms of performance and also a VGA that is able to handle for example FPS games for the next few years ?

(PS: my budget is around 200-250$)


8800 is such a freaking bad ass card! Just like the 9600.

Honesty, my 9600 is doing fine for Starcraft 2, and that's all I play, so I dont really need to change it, but if you really want to move forward.

200-250$ can get you an ATI Radeon 5770, which would be a important improvement over your 8800. Personally, I'd go with Nvidia but you're looking at a higher budget. I Have had bad experience with ATI in general and decided it was worth paying more to get a quality product. Even now there is some problems with ATI and Starcraft 2 as mentionned in the post.

For about 200$ you can have a GTX 260, or you can invest 300$ and get a GTX 285.
I use a GTX 280 and everything is smooth as silk, but I Can't tell you the difference in perfomance between the 285 and the 260 since I have not tried them, but you can look at some benchmark!


how about Nvidia 275 ?
which is better 275 or 460 ?


460 - less power, newer tech, can do dx11, higher OCs.
Peekay.switch
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada285 Posts
July 21 2010 15:02 GMT
#19
On July 21 2010 23:52 Abraxas514 wrote:
@Peekay.switch:

What are you smoking? The 5770 isn't 200-250, its 160 CA!

http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=13630BD0841&vpn=AX5770 1GBD5-H&manufacture=POWERCOLOR

I'm running sc2 on a 5770 OCed about 10%, i5 750 OCed to 4Ghz, run sc2 on all HIGH settings (not ultra) and I get a solid 100 FPS all the time. On Ultra, its between 30-50.


Huh, been a while since I've looked at prices, my bad. So yeah, for 250ish you can have 5830 =)
felizk
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark8 Posts
July 21 2010 15:05 GMT
#20
@Highways

The reason the game doesn't have AA as far as i understand it is that it is using Deferred Shading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_shading

Deferred shading uses a G-Buffer which is a thick render texture, on which all information about geometry on the screen is written. This allows the lighting calculations to be done in screen space, meaning a light is only as expensive as the amount of pixels it covers on you screen in the current frame. This means you can have boatloads of lights in the same scene without it being crazy expensive.

All in all it's a pretty cool technique and allows for a multitude of funky effects.

It does however have the caveat that hardware AA is not supported
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