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On January 13 2012 00:05 jacosajh wrote:
Thinking about this as well (but uh, just in the living room). Trying to decide between super silent, but have somewhat crappy gaming quality. Or just balls out power, but super noisy.
What decent graphics card would be a good balance between silent and can power a 50" tv with some settings somewhat cranked up (AA)?
It's not that hard to make a very low noise PC even under gaming load...
Get a sound-dapened case e.g. Fractal R3, Antec P280
GPU with good & quiet heatsink and run its fans at a fixed 20%... e.g. some Twin Frozr or Direct CU II...
A non or only mildly OC'd CPU with some noctua or thermalright heatsink with their 140mm fan(s), maybe even undervolted...
And a 80+ Gold PSU with overkill wattage and/or no spin-up on the fan at low loads e.g. Seasonic X
And uhh for ~$100-150 more than a typical build, you've got yourself a fairly silent but powerful gaming rig.
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On January 12 2012 17:56 Rannasha wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 17:54 InDaHouse wrote:
So how much will Sandy Bridge drop in price now when Ivy is incoming? Probably nothing. Intel doesn't really down-price its previous generations of procesoors, it just leaves them up for sale at the old prices until the things become EOL.
Actually Intel will drop Sandy Bridge prices by 10-15% to make room for Ivy Bridge.
Source
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On January 13 2012 01:15 schreddertt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 17:56 Rannasha wrote:On January 12 2012 17:54 InDaHouse wrote:
So how much will Sandy Bridge drop in price now when Ivy is incoming? Probably nothing. Intel doesn't really down-price its previous generations of procesoors, it just leaves them up for sale at the old prices until the things become EOL. Actually Intel will drop Sandy Bridge prices by 10-15% to make room for Ivy Bridge. Source
Uh.. this is talking about the mobile segment. Mobile segment is different than desktop segment.
Intel has never dropped pricing on previous generation processors unless it was part of their line up still (eg. Q6600). I never understand people expecting Intel to drop pricing because they've never had before and now with AMD being not competitive at all, why would they start? -_-
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 30 2011 08:12 Medrea wrote:I have two builds for tiny computers. One is bigger than the other. Costs of both are quite low. The bigger one 13.00" x 8.66" x 5.12". $285 + Show Spoiler +The smaller one 14.17" x 11.02" x 3.74" $240 + Show Spoiler +The first one is a lot like a system I sometimes use. It handles SC2 quite well. The second is an experimental build I have been playing around with in my head. Keep in mind. Both of these come with special power supplies, and the brands are not the most reputable. But repute comes at a price, in this case size. Don't expect to be taking these machines and then overclocking an i7 you dumped into it or something. You cant anyway with either. Also these machines are very lightweight. They will run D3 and SC2 on Medium or low settings, but run them well. If you show it the box art to something like Skyrim, you are screwed. For the lazy, processor is i3-2100 with a radeon 5570 or i3 2105 with HD 3000 onboard. Why so cheap? Well it is because of the size. Small size for these two mean low power PSU. Low power PSU means low wattage components which means less overall power. If you want more computing horsepower. I have another build coming in a little bit. There is a little flexibility with the builds though. Particularly the top one. I cant tell if all of these can support a full video card looks like it will, in which case you will want the Rosewill although neither PSU will go very far. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163149is another such case that might give you more headroom for something like an i5 and whatever full card you want or can afford, but it is bigger obviously. All and all, watch out for the PSU. It isn't as high quality as something we normally recommend. The bottom one of course will not be taking any full height cards, or any cards. let me know if anything like this works, and i request TL to proof read my work. EDIT: Forgot to mention. Everything else is typical here. Cheap RAM, Hard drive, keyboard, mouse etc etc if you need. These will add cost of course. But the rest of your budget should be able to fit in very nicely.
There is that full post I made about a mini computer. The top one has a way better chance at having good framerates than the bottom one. But I didnt focus on sound at all. I could not care less about sound, so maybe someone can help here?
Both of the bigger cases should be large enough to take a full card. i3-2100 + 6850 fanless should be able to stay under 200W right?
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My current machine is getting pretty old by now and i doubt it's worth upgrading.
So i reckon i'll just buy a whole new rig which will keep be going again for years, especially with D3 coming out "soon" ™ and me wanting to play it perfectly fine on highest settings and all that. (terrible lag @ multiplayer beta atm)
Have put together this with a friend, but i'm pretty clueless so any advice/input is welcome !
http://www.alternate.nl/html/pcbuilder/sendLoad.html?id=293318&cn=1&tn=BUILDERS
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On January 13 2012 03:26 Urbz wrote:My current machine is getting pretty old by now and i doubt it's worth upgrading. So i reckon i'll just buy a whole new rig which will keep be going again for years, especially with D3 coming out "soon" ™ and me wanting to play it perfectly fine on highest settings and all that. (terrible lag @ multiplayer beta atm) Have put together this with a friend, but i'm pretty clueless so any advice/input is welcome ! http://www.alternate.nl/html/pcbuilder/sendLoad.html?id=293318&cn=1&tn=BUILDERS
Plenty of things to improve:
- Don't get a Bulldozer (AMD FX) system. They're just not good enough compared to Intel alternatives unfortunately.
- The OCZ SSD uses a Sandforce controller which is giving a lot of people headaches (random BSODs). Also, this particular model only works as an automatic cache for a second disk instead of as a completely separate disk. You get better and more consistent performance by getting a dedicated SSD as bootdisk with your most used software. Crucial M4 is a good all-round pick.
- The memory you selected is rated for high speeds, which gives little to no performance over more common speeds. 8 GB memory can be had for 40 euro already.
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On January 13 2012 03:26 Urbz wrote:My current machine is getting pretty old by now and i doubt it's worth upgrading. So i reckon i'll just buy a whole new rig which will keep be going again for years, especially with D3 coming out "soon" ™ and me wanting to play it perfectly fine on highest settings and all that. (terrible lag @ multiplayer beta atm) Have put together this with a friend, but i'm pretty clueless so any advice/input is welcome ! http://www.alternate.nl/html/pcbuilder/sendLoad.html?id=293318&cn=1&tn=BUILDERS
-As CPU cooler get a thermalright true spirit/CM hyper 212 evo
- 6850 for 175, whutt... You can easely get a 6870 for less.
- Bulldozer isn't a very good choise for gaming. Get an i5 2500k if you want to overclock and combine that with a p67 motherboard. If you dont plan on overclock you might as wel get an i5 2400 combined with a h67/h61 motherboard.
- Coolermaster GX series sux. Besides 650W is way overkill. If you plan to stick to one 6850 (which is probably best) a ~400W psu will be more then sufficient. For example the corsair cx430 v2. If you are getting the 6870 you might want something with more connectors thought. In that case the Thermaltake Smart 450w is a very nice choise.
- Dont know that case, but mstech is crap in general. Get a proper case. For example.
- OCZ SSD's aren't very reliable. Get the crucial m4 or Intel 320.
- Since you are allready getting an SSD you might as well get a cheaper 5400 rpm hdd.
- 2000mhz memory makes no difference. Just get the cheapest 1333mhz memory kit.
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Much appriciated for the fast feedback guys, glad to hear there's alot of room for improvement before i just bought some random stuff right away !
Combined with some other tips i've now put together this;
http://www.alternate.nl/html/pcbuilder/sendLoad.html?id=293337&cn=1&tn=BUILDERS
The price seems even lower although i have to say money is not an issue whatsoever, i just want to be set for quite awhile again ! =)
Shame about new hardware coming out in a few months, tempting to wait a bit more but i doubt i've got the patience for that because this rig is slowly but steadily dying. >_<
@Madoga : i have no idea what a proper case is though, not sure if there's an example missing in your post ^^
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On January 13 2012 04:39 Urbz wrote:
i have no idea what a proper case is though, not sure if there's an example missing in your post ^^
Not sure what's available for you, but here's a list of good cases in a reasonable price range (in the US, these are between $40-80). obviously some are more expensive and have more features but all are good:
NZXT: Gamma Classic, Source 210 or 220, Tempest 210 or 410
Bitfenix: Merc Alpha, Shinobi (I personally love the looks of the Shinobi White)
CoolerMaster: HAF 912, 922, Storm Scout, 690 II Advanced
Zalman: Z9 Plus
Fractal Design: Core 3000
Corsair: 400R
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On January 13 2012 04:59 Wabbit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 04:39 Urbz wrote:
i have no idea what a proper case is though, not sure if there's an example missing in your post ^^ Not sure what's available for you, but here's a list of good cases in a reasonable price range (in the US, these are between $40-80). obviously some are more expensive and have more features but all are good: NZXT: Gamma Classic, Source 210 or 220, Tempest 210 or 410 Bitfenix: Merc Alpha, Shinobi (I personally love the looks of the Shinobi White) CoolerMaster: HAF 912, 922, Storm Scout, 690 II Advanced Zalman: Z9 Plus Fractal Design: Core 3000 Corsair: 400R
Cheers! The Cooler Master HAF 922 looks very nice and also gets alot of good reviews so might go with thatone.
Edit: though it seems to conflict with current HDD slot =P
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On January 13 2012 05:42 Urbz wrote:
Cheers! The Cooler Master HAF 922 looks very nice and also gets alot of good reviews so might go with thatone.
Edit: though it seems to conflict with current HDD slot =P
Not sure what you mean. It has plenty of 3.5" drive bays and comes with an included 2.5" to 3.5" adapter for an SSD, and SSD's often come with their own mounting adapter.
I think I'm actually confusing it with the 690 II. Still not sure what your comment about the "conflict" meant, though.
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haf 922 is imo terrible, very outdated and poor features in comparison to more modern cases, I'd pick 912 over 922 even if they were same price
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You need an aftermarket heatsink to overclock that i5. I recommend Hyper 212+
Way overpowered PSU. Get something like a Corsair 430X. Even 430Watts is more than you need.
You dont need a soundcard unless you are an audiophile.
Can find cheaper 1333 RAM, cheaper case but this is subjective.
I would use the overall money you are saving to buy a better Graphics card, which will actually make a meaningful performance increase instead of wattage you dont need, sound card you dont need, RAM speed you will never notice.
I assume you want to overclock yes? You should able to fit at least a 6870 in that budget.
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Raidmax doesn't make good cases. You're also getting a case with a power supply and a separate power supply as well. You don't want to get a case with a power supply. If you're looking for an inexpensive case, get a Coolermaster HAF 912: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233
Your memory is overpriced. You can get 1600MHz cas9 for $40. Though the difference between 1600MHz and 1333MHz is not noticeable at all for gaming so you just want the least expensive 1333MHz kit you can find: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820576006 especially if you are trying to stay within budget.
ModXStream isn't that good.
For a single GPU configuration, just get a Capstone 450 for $60 (which is a much better unit than the ModXStream): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066
Also doing a multi-GPU configuration on a budget is a stupid idea. Asrock P67 Pro3 for less than $100 is one awesome deal: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157230
You don't need a sound card since the motherboard comes with integrated...
$60 for a non mechanical keyboard is sort of expensive... you can get an mechanical keyboard for like $20-$40 more.
$120 for a 6770 is overpriced. There are plenty of ones at $110 or under though with the money saved, you can just get a Radeon HD6850 for $140 or a Radeon HD6870 for $160.
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I keep forgetting about the CAPSTONE. I hope he wants to OC because he didnt list a 3rd party cooler. So something has to give.
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Capstone is the best option for now =p until the new Earthwatts arrives but knowing Antec, new Earthwatts will be overpriced just like the old ones ._.
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It really is the best option.
Finally an 80 plus gold PSU that is affordable and at a wattage for normal people.
Im tempted to buy one before they stop making them because they are too good.
Who is the original manufacturer again?
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The capstone is a superflower.
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On January 13 2012 08:05 skyR wrote:
The capstone is a superflower.
How come we dont have them in the list of reputable OEMs?
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