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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On January 04 2012 13:21 Effen wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On January 04 2012 13:02 skyR wrote: Twin Frozr III since the EVGA models aren't even -AR. what does that mean exactly? sorry im a huge noob lol, you've been a huge help -AR models carry a lifetime warranty upon registration. -KR models carry a three year warranty with optional extension to five or ten years. | ||
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Effen
227 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On January 04 2012 13:24 Shikyo wrote: Customer service is like the least important thing ever Until you need to RMA. Its the same thing with warranty. Its the most useless thing, and a complete waste of money, until you need to use it. You can buy a cheapass LG or Asus IPS or you can buy a more expensive Dell Ultrasharp. More people opt for the Dell Ultrasharp because, despite the generally large price differential, the customer service is beyond good on the Ultrasharp lineup. It matters a lot for a lot of people, just ask Apple how well they're doing in the computer market (they own around 90% of the $1,000+ PC market). Edit: I'm not poor and I like things that work and offer painless experiences. So customer service should matter if you like these things. Apparently a lot of people are the same, hence Corsair can get away with expensive hardware even with educated hardware enthusiasts. | ||
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Legatus Lanius
2135 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
Edit: The major difference is that Dell Ultrasharps and Asus ProArt (that's their high end IPS lineup) series of monitors will have less draconian replacement policies. For one, Dell cross-ships replacement Ultrasharp monitors if you blew your monitor or something. The Dell will have lower input lag but I don't think any 23" IPS monitors will really have high enough input lag to impact gameplay. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 04 2012 14:06 Womwomwom wrote: Until you need to RMA. Its the same thing with warranty. Its the most useless thing, and a complete waste of money, until you need to use it. You can buy a cheapass LG or Asus IPS or you can buy a more expensive Dell Ultrasharp. More people opt for the Dell Ultrasharp because, despite the generally large price differential, the customer service is beyond good on the Ultrasharp lineup. It matters a lot for a lot of people, just ask Apple how well they're doing in the computer market (they own around 90% of the $1,000+ PC market). Edit: I'm not poor and I like things that work and offer painless experiences. So customer service should matter if you like these things. Apparently a lot of people are the same, hence Corsair can get away with expensive hardware even with educated hardware enthusiasts. The customer service isn't painful on the others either though, they can't just decide to not uphold their warranties so it's all the same in the end. And majority of the people are stupid and waste money. Majority of the people drink alcohol as well. That doesn't mean you should waste money on things that don't matter, even if others do. Just buy prebuilts then. | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
The customer service isn't painful on the others either though, they can't just decide to not uphold their warranties so it's all the same in the end. Yes they can. Just ask Gigabyte. Rebates can be ignored too, something XFX likes to do. In fact, XFX is the #1 company that likes to do warranty denial...despite putting lifetime warranty on like their whole lineup. MSI purposefully obfuscates warranty services as well. Their hardware warranty period starts at the manufactured date and not the date of purchase. Unless they've recently changed that. | ||
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Legatus Lanius
2135 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
Edit: The point I'm making is that customer service and warranty quality is important as well as not all RMA services are the same at the end of the day. Its why I used such an extreme example of Dell Ultrasharp vs low end Asus/LG IPS models. | ||
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Effen
227 Posts
CASE: Cooler Master HAF 912 -- $59.99 PSU: Antec EarthWatts 750W -- $91.99 (leaves me room to OC and SLI another card later) MOBO: MSI P67 G43 combo w/ Win7 64bit -- $209.98 CPU: i5 2500k -- $214.99 GFX: MSI GTX 560 448core Twin Frozr III -- $289.99 RAM: Patriot 8GB (2x4gb) 1600 1.5v -- $35.99 SSD: Crucial M4 128GB SATA III -- $199.99 DVD: ASUS BluRay -- $59.99 HEATSINK: Cooler Master 212 EVO -- $34.99 MONITOR: Dell UltraSharp U2312HM -- $239 TOTAL: ~$1,550 before $57 in mail in rebates | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On January 04 2012 14:41 Womwomwom wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Asus' RMA quality is not great and Gigabyte is woeful. So birds of a feather do shitty warranty together I guess. Asus and MSI at least have nice motherboards. Edit: The point I'm making is that customer service and warranty quality is important as well as not all RMA services are the same at the end of the day. Its why I used such an extreme example of Dell Ultrasharp vs low end Asus/LG IPS models. Never had an issue with ASUS and MSI and I'll always pay a premium for their products over anyone else's to not have to deal with shipping across the country and over the border. I will never buy from Sapphire or HIS because of dealing with a middle man and the requirement to pay for RMA service. I agree that RMA service isn't all the same at the end of the day and that you should value post-sale support to some degree if you have the budget for it. On January 04 2012 14:55 Effen wrote:+ Show Spoiler + What do you guys think of my final build ? (ordering tomorrow) CASE: Cooler Master HAF 912 -- $59.99 PSU: Antec EarthWatts 750W -- $91.99 (leaves me room to OC and SLI another card later) MOBO: Asus P8P67 combo w/ Win7 64bit -- $244.98 CPU: i5 2500k -- $214.99 GFX: MSI GTX 560 448core Twin Frozr III -- $289.99 RAM: Patriot 8GB (2x4gb) 1600 1.5v -- $35.99 SSD: Crucial M4 128GB SATA III -- $199.99 DVD: ASUS BluRay -- $59.99 HEATSINK: Cooler Master 212 EVO -- $34.99 MONITOR: Dell UltraSharp U2312HM -- $239 TOTAL: $1,590 P8P67 isn't capable of SLI and runs at x16/x4 for CrossfireX... | ||
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Effen
227 Posts
On January 04 2012 15:06 skyR wrote: Never had an issue with ASUS and MSI and I'll always pay a premium for their products over anyone else's to not have to deal with shipping across the country and over the border. I will never buy from Sapphire or HIS because of dealing with a middle man and the requirement to pay for RMA service. I agree that RMA service isn't all the same at the end of the day and that you should value post-sale support to some degree if you have the budget for it. P8P67 isn't capable of SLI and runs at x16/x4 for CrossfireX... would you reccommend the p8p67 pro rev 3.1 then? | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 04 2012 14:24 Womwomwom wrote: Yes they can. Just ask Gigabyte. Rebates can be ignored too, something XFX likes to do. In fact, XFX is the #1 company that likes to do warranty denial...despite putting lifetime warranty on like their whole lineup. MSI purposefully obfuscates warranty services as well. Their hardware warranty period starts at the manufactured date and not the date of purchase. Unless they've recently changed that. Oh, well I guess I'm just used to Finnish laws. The companies here get really fucked really easily, it must cost nothing to the customer as well. (And that's a reasonable reason to buy from here instead of something like germany as the replacement policies tend to be miles ahead here though stuff costs more... hmmm actually that means it's the exact same thing then, eh =P Also for Sli I'd recommend extreme3 or G43/45 | ||
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Effen
227 Posts
however the g45 is a pretty good deal and has a $30 MIR...i think ill go with that updated build: CASE: Cooler Master HAF 912 -- $59.99 PSU: Antec EarthWatts 750W -- $91.99 (leaves me room to OC and SLI another card later) MOBO: MSI P67 G45 combo w/ Win7 64bit -- $234.98 CPU: i5 2500k -- $214.99 GFX: MSI GTX 560 448core Twin Frozr III -- $289.99 RAM: Patriot 8GB (2x4gb) 1600 1.5v -- $35.99 SSD: Crucial M4 128GB SATA III -- $199.99 DVD: ASUS BluRay -- $59.99 HEATSINK: Cooler Master 212 EVO -- $34.99 KEYBOARD: Rosewill Mechanical RK-9000 w/ Cherry MX Red -- $99.99 MONITOR: Dell UltraSharp U2312HM -- $239 TOTAL w/ monitor + keyboard: ~$1,550 before $57 in mail in rebates | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.freeimagehosting.net/newuploads/ffb04.jpg) Nerf 7970 please | ||
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Sandtrout
243 Posts
ASRock H61M-HVS Intel H61 So.1155 Dual - € 42,92 Intel Core i5 2400 4x 3.10GHz So.1155 BOX - € 168,60 1024MB Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 Aktiv PCIe - € 143,85 8GB G.Skill NT Series DDR3-1333 DIMM CL9 - € 28,34 500GB Western Digital Caviar Blue - € 70,80 Samsung DVDRW SATA 22x SH-222AB bare - € 14,69 Xigmatek Asgard III Midi Tower - € 30,79 € 499,99 I will try and use the PSU I already have at hand (Xilence XP480) and buy a better one if it doesn't really work out. Does anyone know anything about the HDD? I couldn't find info on it. Can I buy it this way or is there a problem with one of the components? | ||
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iKill[ShocK]
Vietnam3530 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On January 04 2012 16:03 Shikyo wrote: Nerf 7970 please holy lord almighty | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On January 04 2012 20:01 Sandtrout wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Alright, here's the list from mindfactory.de: ASRock H61M-HVS Intel H61 So.1155 Dual - € 42,92 Intel Core i5 2400 4x 3.10GHz So.1155 BOX - € 168,60 1024MB Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 Aktiv PCIe - € 143,85 8GB G.Skill NT Series DDR3-1333 DIMM CL9 - € 28,34 500GB Western Digital Caviar Blue - € 70,80 Samsung DVDRW SATA 22x SH-222AB bare - € 14,69 Xigmatek Asgard III Midi Tower - € 30,79 € 499,99 I will try and use the PSU I already have at hand (Xilence XP480) and buy a better one if it doesn't really work out. Does anyone know anything about the HDD? I couldn't find info on it. Can I buy it this way or is there a problem with one of the components? List is fine. Caviar Blue is your typical 3.5" two year warranty SATA HDD from Western Digital. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
Can someone explain to me exactly what the voltages section means on HWMonitor. Everywhere I read they say "you cant see voltages through software, must use specialized multimeter" so I never realized that you could actually get a (unreliable/inaccurate) reading on your voltages. So I think I get some of it, and I think the idea you have to be -.25 to +.25 v in range of the 3.3/5/12 but I don't understand what -12 is, what VIN1 is, what +5VCCH or VBAT is. Anyways this is what my HW Monitor says: Voltage/Current/Min/Max (- means same V as previous) VIN1 1.14/-/- +3.3V 3.3/3.28/3.3 +5V 4.89/4.89/4.92 +12V 12.03/11.97/12.03 -12V -6.46/*/* -5V -4.8/*/* +5 VCCH 4.81/*/* VBAT 3.33/*/* I was just wondering, as I was thinking about replacing some PC parts and my PSU is somewhere on the limit. I mean with my current setup, it's perfectly safe, and I'm sure I'd be fine if I up'd my GPU/CPU, but know I don't have the headroom for SLI (no that I'd want to). Antec Earthwatts 430, althon ii unlock/oc 3.415 from 3.2 stock, 1.472 voltage from 1.4, gtx 460 768mb, 6 fans + lcd controller. You want to be within 5%. VCCH provides power to the motherboard. VBAT is for CMOS. -12v and -5v are useless. "Specialized multimeter" is quite the oxymoron there, particularly if you're talking about the cheesy Chinese low-grade crap (which are still pretty useful). No way you're stressing the Earthwatts to its limit with those kinds of parts though. It's not like you're even going to top 400W if you upped the overclocks a lot more and ran prime95 + FurMark, which is kind of a dumb scenario anyway. Thanks for the responses, but I've had this Earthwatts for a year (remember, you helped pick it out for me). But what about 'electrolytic capacitor aging' for having this PSU for a year now. Doesn't that sort of lower the power load? Unless I need to replace it, I plan to use this PSU for... well, the rest of my life really, and if I upgrade my GPU or CPU/Mobo, I wouldn't want trouble. Like, is a year of standard gaming use going to seriously drain the PSU? | ||
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