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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
ScissorSteak
Profile Joined January 2012
2 Posts
January 04 2012 02:32 GMT
#17061
On January 04 2012 09:42 skyR wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 04 2012 08:51 ScissorSteak wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Okay, used the last 50 pages of thread and some other looking about, here is the build I have set up. (almost) Looking for critique/feedback and a motherboard recommendation before I finalize.


cpu: Intel i5 2500k

gpu: 560 ti or 560 ti 448

Cooler: CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Plus

mboard: HALP

memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL

SSD: crucial m4 ct128m4ssd2 OR sandisk ultra sdssh-120g-g25

PSU: Rosewill CAPSTONE Series CAPSTONE-450 450W Continuous

DVD drive:ASUS 24X DVD Burner

monitor: ultrasharp U2212HM

Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

speakers: Logitech S-220 17 Watts 2.1 Multimedia Speaker System - OEM
_________________________________________________________________________________________

notes
Cpu/heatsink/memory seem pretty locked in. I don't know why I would go with anything else.

gpu- I'm a little irrational on this point, I don't want a Radeon card. Any thoughts on whether it's worth it to go for the 448 core version for about $40 more? It sounds like they are really big physically, dunno if it would fit easily in case choice. Also looking for any insight on manufacturer; EVGA being the default choice I guess, but I really don't have a base preference.

motherboard: I don't really know where to go here. A lot of these specifications mean fuck-all to me. I don't know the meaningful difference between *67 and *68 boards, or which manufacturer has the best track record.. every board I look up has some degree of complaint, no clear winners. I will be overclocking CPU and possibly GPU once I do the research on it.

SSD: These are new to me. Can anyone explain the dif in price between crucial m4 and Sandisk Ultra? Is it just the read speed, or am I missing something here?

PSU: just from recommendation in thread. Will an overclocked 2500k + 560ti (possibly 448 core) + rest run without issue on the rosewill 450?

monitor: I dislike TN viewing angles, so I thought I would try this. $219 on the dell site, seemed very reasonable. Let me know if there's anything inherently wrong with this choice.

Case: This seemed fine to me, just let me know if there are any spacing problems with other components that I am not seeing.

speakers: I don't know anything about speakers.


Thanks in advance for any advice


Crucial M4 uses a Marvell controller and is well regarded for its performance, reliability, and price. The Sandisk uses a first generation Sandforce controller which has all sort of issues so its definitely not recommended unless you want to deal with potential headaches.

The Rosewill Capstone 450 is by far one of the best choices for a single card configuration and it will run an overclocked 2500k and GTX 560 Ti 448 with plenty of headroom.

The Asrock P67 Pro3 is currently sold out on Newegg or else I'd recommend that. The MSI P67A G43 would be the next board I'd suggest: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130583

HAF 912 is a very spacious case. It has clearance for ~15 inch cards once the HDD cage is removed. So having two storage drives, any card on the market is no problem for the case. Even without the HDD cage removed, the case still has room for 10.5" long cards so a GTX 560 Ti 448 shouldn't be an issue since the card is only about 9 inches in length.

The input lag on the U2212HM is significantly higher than that on the U2312HM. I don't think it's a problem but some others might.

If you want a GTX 560 Ti 448, I'd go for the Twin Frozr III: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127615 If you're getting a GTX 560 Ti, I'd get the EVGA -KR: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130623


Pretty much a perfect response, thanks! ^.^

As a point of curiosity- I looked up the reported input lag on those two monitor types. ~0.6ms vs ~25ms.. any idea why the hell that difference exists within 2 of the same generation monitors? Why is the U2312HM so much better than the rest? /confused
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
January 04 2012 02:43 GMT
#17062
On January 04 2012 11:18 SolidMustard wrote:
Second attempt here ;-)

I read this :
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=271861

So I want something equivalent to the 600$ build that is described on this thread but after researching on the internet, I can't find everything in France.

What I found (didn't buy anything yet so if something's wrong, please tell me):

- Processor: socket 1155 Intel Core i5 2400 S (187 eur)
http://www.materiel.net/processeur-socket-1155/intel-core-i5-2400-s-64198.html

- Graphics Card: Radeon HD 6870 1Go IceQ X Turbo (167 eur)
http://www.materiel.net/carte-graphique/his-radeon-hd-6870-1go-iceq-x-turbo-69317.html

- Case, Power supply and optical drive: these I found and I can't really mess up

Now I didn't found the recommended hard drive and RAM which were Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM and Pareema 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333.

I couldn'd find the BIOSTAR H61MLC motherboard either. So do you guys know what other motherboard / RAM / hard drive I could use to replace those that I can't find ?

Also, don't I need a sound card ?? I'm a total noob as far as hardware goes but why is there no sound card in this "build" ?

Thanks in advance for the help!

EDIT: @Meadra you didnt come off crankyat all, your post was straight to the point and you were totally right so thx for the links


GOD YOU WANT SOUND TOO WAT A NOOB JESUS.

Lol. Anyway much better post.

Yeah as Shikyo you should let us know what PSU and Case you have come across. Motherboards have an onboard sound card that is good enough for all but the most discerning.

2400S is a low power version (less power consumption, they aren't selling very well), stick with 2400 with no letter at the end.

At the very bottom of the Optimized thread I think there are some storage recommendations but everything looks ok. Shikyo could probably steer you better for pricing than I could, but you are almost there.
twitch.tv/medrea
Effen
Profile Joined September 2010
227 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-04 03:47:17
January 04 2012 02:55 GMT
#17063
Which 560ti would you guys reccomend? 1080p, going to run on this single card for as long as a I can at which time I'll upgrade to the latest and greatest. I play sc2 / skyrim / dota 2 / mw3

1) EVGA 560ti -- $229.99
2) EVGA SuperOverclocked 560ti -- $249.99
3) MSI 560ti Hawk -- $264.99
4) MSI 560ti 448core Twin Frozr III-- $289.99
5) Zotac 560ti 448core -- $308.99 -- Comes with FREE BF3

the hawk seems to crush on tomshardware benchmark tests/reviews but it just seems a little expensive, the 448 cores obviously have their benefits...
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 04 2012 02:59 GMT
#17064
That Twin Frozr III is a total steal so it's the easiest choice, amazing cooler and it beats GTX 570 even at stock.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
January 04 2012 03:00 GMT
#17065
What about the DS model?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130657&Tpk=560 ti ds
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
January 04 2012 03:01 GMT
#17066
I'd get the Gigabyte one at $210 unless you're looking for something to OC and benchmark as a goal in of itself. Twin Frozr III heatsink on the MSI Hawk is nice, but not $55 nicer, at least for most people.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125401
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 04 2012 03:03 GMT
#17067
You noticed that one's a 448 though? =P Imo that's clearly the best deal out of those ! But if you can't afford it you of course go for the cheapest 560 Ti
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
January 04 2012 03:06 GMT
#17068
http://www.topachat.com/accueil/index.php

best place to order for france/belgium/switzerland
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
Effen
Profile Joined September 2010
227 Posts
January 04 2012 03:07 GMT
#17069
On January 04 2012 12:00 zoLo wrote:
What about the DS model?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130657&Tpk=560 ti ds


whats the difference with the DS vs non ds?
Effen
Profile Joined September 2010
227 Posts
January 04 2012 03:08 GMT
#17070
On January 04 2012 12:03 Shikyo wrote:
You noticed that one's a 448 though? =P Imo that's clearly the best deal out of those ! But if you can't afford it you of course go for the cheapest 560 Ti


yes I did
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
January 04 2012 03:13 GMT
#17071
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/306?vs=499

A 560 ti w/448 is a chopped down 570, not a spruced up 560ti. The names are similar because nVidia likes to fool people with marketing and buzzwords. The performance difference reflects its chopped down status.
twitch.tv/medrea
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 04 2012 03:44 GMT
#17072
Wait what, wtf is up with the downclocked core of the twin frozr iii 448,
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Effen
Profile Joined September 2010
227 Posts
January 04 2012 03:49 GMT
#17073
On January 04 2012 12:44 Shikyo wrote:
Wait what, wtf is up with the downclocked core of the twin frozr iii 448,


I was wondering that too. Its only at 750, as opposed to the 797 on the evgas and 765 on the zotac.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-04 03:52:15
January 04 2012 03:51 GMT
#17074
It isn't.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5153/nvidias-geforce-gtx-560-ti-w448-cores-gtx570-on-a-budget

Those are both overclocked compared to reference.
twitch.tv/medrea
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-04 03:56:49
January 04 2012 03:54 GMT
#17075
On January 04 2012 11:32 ScissorSteak wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On January 04 2012 09:42 skyR wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 04 2012 08:51 ScissorSteak wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Okay, used the last 50 pages of thread and some other looking about, here is the build I have set up. (almost) Looking for critique/feedback and a motherboard recommendation before I finalize.


cpu: Intel i5 2500k

gpu: 560 ti or 560 ti 448

Cooler: CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Plus

mboard: HALP

memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL

SSD: crucial m4 ct128m4ssd2 OR sandisk ultra sdssh-120g-g25

PSU: Rosewill CAPSTONE Series CAPSTONE-450 450W Continuous

DVD drive:ASUS 24X DVD Burner

monitor: ultrasharp U2212HM

Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

speakers: Logitech S-220 17 Watts 2.1 Multimedia Speaker System - OEM
_________________________________________________________________________________________

notes
Cpu/heatsink/memory seem pretty locked in. I don't know why I would go with anything else.

gpu- I'm a little irrational on this point, I don't want a Radeon card. Any thoughts on whether it's worth it to go for the 448 core version for about $40 more? It sounds like they are really big physically, dunno if it would fit easily in case choice. Also looking for any insight on manufacturer; EVGA being the default choice I guess, but I really don't have a base preference.

motherboard: I don't really know where to go here. A lot of these specifications mean fuck-all to me. I don't know the meaningful difference between *67 and *68 boards, or which manufacturer has the best track record.. every board I look up has some degree of complaint, no clear winners. I will be overclocking CPU and possibly GPU once I do the research on it.

SSD: These are new to me. Can anyone explain the dif in price between crucial m4 and Sandisk Ultra? Is it just the read speed, or am I missing something here?

PSU: just from recommendation in thread. Will an overclocked 2500k + 560ti (possibly 448 core) + rest run without issue on the rosewill 450?

monitor: I dislike TN viewing angles, so I thought I would try this. $219 on the dell site, seemed very reasonable. Let me know if there's anything inherently wrong with this choice.

Case: This seemed fine to me, just let me know if there are any spacing problems with other components that I am not seeing.

speakers: I don't know anything about speakers.


Thanks in advance for any advice


Crucial M4 uses a Marvell controller and is well regarded for its performance, reliability, and price. The Sandisk uses a first generation Sandforce controller which has all sort of issues so its definitely not recommended unless you want to deal with potential headaches.

The Rosewill Capstone 450 is by far one of the best choices for a single card configuration and it will run an overclocked 2500k and GTX 560 Ti 448 with plenty of headroom.

The Asrock P67 Pro3 is currently sold out on Newegg or else I'd recommend that. The MSI P67A G43 would be the next board I'd suggest: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130583

HAF 912 is a very spacious case. It has clearance for ~15 inch cards once the HDD cage is removed. So having two storage drives, any card on the market is no problem for the case. Even without the HDD cage removed, the case still has room for 10.5" long cards so a GTX 560 Ti 448 shouldn't be an issue since the card is only about 9 inches in length.

The input lag on the U2212HM is significantly higher than that on the U2312HM. I don't think it's a problem but some others might.

If you want a GTX 560 Ti 448, I'd go for the Twin Frozr III: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127615 If you're getting a GTX 560 Ti, I'd get the EVGA -KR: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130623


Pretty much a perfect response, thanks! ^.^

As a point of curiosity- I looked up the reported input lag on those two monitor types. ~0.6ms vs ~25ms.. any idea why the hell that difference exists within 2 of the same generation monitors? Why is the U2312HM so much better than the rest? /confused


I'm not sure of the exact reason but even if its the same generation of monitors. The panels are of different sizes and the internals are probably different as well.


On January 04 2012 12:07 Effen wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On January 04 2012 12:00 zoLo wrote:
What about the DS model?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130657&Tpk=560 ti ds


whats the difference with the DS vs non ds?


Dual shot. You could have just looked at the pictures and figured this out =\

On January 04 2012 12:44 Shikyo wrote:
Wait what, wtf is up with the downclocked core of the twin frozr iii 448,


Stock frequency of a GTX 560 Ti 448 is the same as a GTX 570 which is 732MHz. The Twin Frozr III is just not as aggressively clocked as other Twin Frozr III for obvious reasons.
Effen
Profile Joined September 2010
227 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-04 03:59:59
January 04 2012 03:59 GMT
#17076
if you were going to buy a 448 core 560 would you prefer the evga or the msi twin frozr III
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
January 04 2012 04:01 GMT
#17077
Doesn't really matter. EVGA will likely have better customer service than MSI.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
January 04 2012 04:02 GMT
#17078
Twin Frozr III since the EVGA models aren't even -AR.
Effen
Profile Joined September 2010
227 Posts
January 04 2012 04:21 GMT
#17079
On January 04 2012 13:02 skyR wrote:
Twin Frozr III since the EVGA models aren't even -AR.


what does that mean exactly? sorry im a huge noob lol, you've been a huge help
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 04 2012 04:24 GMT
#17080
Customer service is like the least important thing ever
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
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