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On January 04 2012 08:51 ScissorSteak wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Okay, used the last 50 pages of thread and some other looking about, here is the build I have set up. (almost) Looking for critique/feedback and a motherboard recommendation before I finalize. cpu: Intel i5 2500k gpu: 560 ti or 560 ti 448 Cooler: CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Plus mboard: HALP memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL SSD: crucial m4 ct128m4ssd2 OR sandisk ultra sdssh-120g-g25 PSU: Rosewill CAPSTONE Series CAPSTONE-450 450W Continuous DVD drive:ASUS 24X DVD Burner monitor: ultrasharp U2212HM Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case speakers: Logitech S-220 17 Watts 2.1 Multimedia Speaker System - OEM _________________________________________________________________________________________ notesCpu/heatsink/memory seem pretty locked in. I don't know why I would go with anything else. gpu- I'm a little irrational on this point, I don't want a Radeon card. Any thoughts on whether it's worth it to go for the 448 core version for about $40 more? It sounds like they are really big physically, dunno if it would fit easily in case choice. Also looking for any insight on manufacturer; EVGA being the default choice I guess, but I really don't have a base preference. motherboard: I don't really know where to go here. A lot of these specifications mean fuck-all to me. I don't know the meaningful difference between *67 and *68 boards, or which manufacturer has the best track record.. every board I look up has some degree of complaint, no clear winners. I will be overclocking CPU and possibly GPU once I do the research on it. SSD: These are new to me. Can anyone explain the dif in price between crucial m4 and Sandisk Ultra? Is it just the read speed, or am I missing something here? PSU: just from recommendation in thread. Will an overclocked 2500k + 560ti (possibly 448 core) + rest run without issue on the rosewill 450? monitor: I dislike TN viewing angles, so I thought I would try this. $219 on the dell site, seemed very reasonable. Let me know if there's anything inherently wrong with this choice. Case: This seemed fine to me, just let me know if there are any spacing problems with other components that I am not seeing. speakers: I don't know anything about speakers. Thanks in advance for any advice 
Crucial M4 uses a Marvell controller and is well regarded for its performance, reliability, and price. The Sandisk uses a first generation Sandforce controller which has all sort of issues so its definitely not recommended unless you want to deal with potential headaches.
The Rosewill Capstone 450 is by far one of the best choices for a single card configuration and it will run an overclocked 2500k and GTX 560 Ti 448 with plenty of headroom.
The Asrock P67 Pro3 is currently sold out on Newegg or else I'd recommend that. The MSI P67A G43 would be the next board I'd suggest: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130583
HAF 912 is a very spacious case. It has clearance for ~15 inch cards once the HDD cage is removed. So having two storage drives, any card on the market is no problem for the case. Even without the HDD cage removed, the case still has room for 10.5" long cards so a GTX 560 Ti 448 shouldn't be an issue since the card is only about 9 inches in length.
The input lag on the U2212HM is significantly higher than that on the U2312HM. I don't think it's a problem but some others might.
If you want a GTX 560 Ti 448, I'd go for the Twin Frozr III: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127615 If you're getting a GTX 560 Ti, I'd get the EVGA -KR: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130623
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Thanks for all the answers. 
This is a new list:
Alternate:
Asrock H61M-VS - € 48,49
(VS, not HVS... difference? Also, what does "pretty bad" mean? The old one was "horribly overpriced", this is "pretty bad", there has to be middleground, right? :D)
SAPPHIRE HD6870 - € 149,90
Intel® Core™ i3-2120 - € 112,90
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Intel® Core™ i5-2400 - € 172,90
Everything so far is actually more expensive than Hardwareversand.
G.Skill DIMM 8 GB DDR3-1333 Kit - € 32,99
Western Digital WD5000AAKX 500 GB - € 69,90
(finally a HDD for a halfway reasonable price :D)
Thermaltake WingRS 201 - € 39,99
(has a 430W power source included... are built-ins shitty, should i choose another case?)
LG GH-22NS - € 17,49
Additional fans not yet included.
€ 471,66/€ 531,66 (duocore/quadcore)
shipping € 8,95
What do you think?
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Hey everyone.
I've been playing on a macbook pro since I got SC2 and I just can't take it anymore, it's lagging more and more, so I decided to get myself a PC.
I don't have a huge budget (400 to max 700) so I think maybe the best I should do is to build my PC myself but I'm a total hardware noob, so I have no idea what I need. This computer would only be a gaming computer so I think I want to put the money on the graphic card but I'm not sure.
So i would love some advice on what to buy and where to buy ? (should I buy on the internet?)
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On January 04 2012 09:45 SolidMustard wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey everyone.
I've been playing on a macbook pro since I got SC2 and I just can't take it anymore, it's lagging more and more, so I decided to get myself a PC.
I don't have a huge budget (400 to max 700) so I think maybe the best I should do is to build my PC myself but I'm a total hardware noob, so I have no idea what I need. This computer would only be a gaming computer so I think I want to put the money on the graphic card but I'm not sure.
So i would love some advice on what to buy and here to buy ? (should I buy on the internet?)
You need to provide more information if you want help.
Are you in France? 400 euros?
Since you're coming from a MBP, do you need a monitor? Is that part of the budget? If you already have a monitor, what resolution is it?
Do you need an operating system? Is that part of the budget?
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On January 04 2012 09:45 SolidMustard wrote:
Hey everyone.
I've been playing on a macbook pro since I got SC2 and I just can't take it anymore, it's lagging more and more, so I decided to get myself a PC.
I don't have a huge budget (400 to max 700) so I think maybe the best I should do is to build my PC myself but I'm a total hardware noob, so I have no idea what I need. This computer would only be a gaming computer so I think I want to put the money on the graphic card but I'm not sure.
So i would love some advice on what to buy and where to buy ? (should I buy on the internet?)
You can read the first page of this thread.
And this one as well.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=271861
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On January 04 2012 09:43 Sandtrout wrote:Thanks for all the answers. This is a new list: Alternate: Asrock H61M-VS - € 48,49 (VS, not HVS... difference? Also, what does "pretty bad" mean? The old one was "horribly overpriced", this is "pretty bad", there has to be middleground, right? :D) SAPPHIRE HD6870 - € 149,90 Intel® Core™ i3-2120 - € 112,90 / Intel® Core™ i5-2400 - € 172,90 Everything so far is actually more expensive than Hardwareversand. G.Skill DIMM 8 GB DDR3-1333 Kit - € 32,99 Western Digital WD5000AAKX 500 GB - € 69,90 (finally a HDD for a halfway reasonable price :D) Thermaltake WingRS 201 - € 39,99 (has a 430W power source included... are built-ins shitty, should i choose another case?) LG GH-22NS - € 17,49 Additional fans not yet included. € 471,66/€ 531,66 (duocore/quadcore) shipping € 8,95 What do you think?
The mobo is good, it's the PSU that's pretty bad. Why are you picking a 7 euros costier one that's just as good? Wtf. Get the one I linked.
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On January 04 2012 09:43 Sandtrout wrote:
Thermaltake WingRS 201 - € 39,99
(has a 430W power source included... are built-ins shitty, should i choose another case?)
Since it's a brand-case (Thermaltake), it's possible that the built-in PSU will be decent enough (unlike some no-name cases that come with no-name PSUs with abominable performance). Hard to say for sure without knowing the precise PSU-model though.
If you like the case, you can just go for it and if it doesn't work out, toss out the PSU for a better one.
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On January 04 2012 09:47 skyR wrote:
You need to provide more information if you want help.
Are you in France? 400 euros?
Since you're coming from a MBP, do you need a monitor? Is that part of the budget? If you already have a monitor, what resolution is it?
Do you need an operating system? Is that part of the budget?
Ok, so obviously my first post was really no enough data, so I'm going to read everything advised by Medrea and I'll post here again if needed!
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some of the TT litepowers are pretty terrible is it a litepower? got any info, model number or 12v rating?
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On January 04 2012 10:04 Rannasha wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 09:43 Sandtrout wrote:
Thermaltake WingRS 201 - € 39,99
(has a 430W power source included... are built-ins shitty, should i choose another case?)
Since it's a brand-case (Thermaltake), it's possible that the built-in PSU will be decent enough (unlike some no-name cases that come with no-name PSUs with abominable performance). Hard to say for sure without knowing the precise PSU-model though. If you like the case, you can just go for it and if it doesn't work out, toss out the PSU for a better one.
Brand case doesn't mean anything. Thermaltake, along with Coolermaster, has generally produced a decent number of god awful PSUs. In fact the last person I would look for quality is Thermaltake.
It's using old Thermaltake TR2 430W PSUs. Its a 350W PSU at best and has like a 70% efficiency during load.
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On January 04 2012 10:01 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 09:43 Sandtrout wrote:Thanks for all the answers. This is a new list: Alternate: Asrock H61M-VS - € 48,49 (VS, not HVS... difference? Also, what does "pretty bad" mean? The old one was "horribly overpriced", this is "pretty bad", there has to be middleground, right? :D) SAPPHIRE HD6870 - € 149,90 Intel® Core™ i3-2120 - € 112,90 / Intel® Core™ i5-2400 - € 172,90 Everything so far is actually more expensive than Hardwareversand. G.Skill DIMM 8 GB DDR3-1333 Kit - € 32,99 Western Digital WD5000AAKX 500 GB - € 69,90 (finally a HDD for a halfway reasonable price :D) Thermaltake WingRS 201 - € 39,99 (has a 430W power source included... are built-ins shitty, should i choose another case?) LG GH-22NS - € 17,49 Additional fans not yet included. € 471,66/€ 531,66 (duocore/quadcore) shipping € 8,95 What do you think? The mobo is good, it's the PSU that's pretty bad. Why are you picking a 7 euros costier one that's just as good? Wtf. Get the one I linked.
Sorry, there was a misunderstanding, I thought you talked about the mobo. What do you think about built-in PSUs?
I couldn't find the mobo you linked on Alternate, so I picked that one. Is there a better alternative on Alternate? (I haven't decided yet where to order, it will either be Alternate or Hardwareversand.)
Edit: Oh, I see, built-ins are bad. :D Could you pick me another case in that prize range? Don't really know what to take.
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Don't be poor, spend more money on a case and PSU that doesn't suck. You're going to spend around 80-100 Euros on the case and PSU so be prepared to budget that much.
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On January 04 2012 10:04 Rannasha wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 09:43 Sandtrout wrote:
Thermaltake WingRS 201 - € 39,99
(has a 430W power source included... are built-ins shitty, should i choose another case?)
Since it's a brand-case (Thermaltake), it's possible that the built-in PSU will be decent enough (unlike some no-name cases that come with no-name PSUs with abominable performance). Hard to say for sure without knowing the precise PSU-model though. If you like the case, you can just go for it and if it doesn't work out, toss out the PSU for a better one.
If it's a 40€ case + psu combo no there's no way the psu will be decent, however it most likely won't explode and will probably run something like g620 + 6670 or similiar just fine.
On January 04 2012 10:24 Womwomwom wrote:
Don't be poor, spend more money on a case and PSU that doesn't suck. You're going to spend around 80-100 Euros on the case and PSU so be prepared to budget that much.
Don't need to spend even that much actually, even super flower amazon 450 + bitfenix merc is good for most single-graphics card solutions at just around 72(super flower amazon 450 is like 3 euros more than cx430 so it's definitely worth getting it instead)
On January 04 2012 10:14 Sandtrout wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 10:01 Shikyo wrote:On January 04 2012 09:43 Sandtrout wrote:Thanks for all the answers. This is a new list: Alternate: Asrock H61M-VS - € 48,49 (VS, not HVS... difference? Also, what does "pretty bad" mean? The old one was "horribly overpriced", this is "pretty bad", there has to be middleground, right? :D) SAPPHIRE HD6870 - € 149,90 Intel® Core™ i3-2120 - € 112,90 / Intel® Core™ i5-2400 - € 172,90 Everything so far is actually more expensive than Hardwareversand. G.Skill DIMM 8 GB DDR3-1333 Kit - € 32,99 Western Digital WD5000AAKX 500 GB - € 69,90 (finally a HDD for a halfway reasonable price :D) Thermaltake WingRS 201 - € 39,99 (has a 430W power source included... are built-ins shitty, should i choose another case?) LG GH-22NS - € 17,49 Additional fans not yet included. € 471,66/€ 531,66 (duocore/quadcore) shipping € 8,95 What do you think? The mobo is good, it's the PSU that's pretty bad. Why are you picking a 7 euros costier one that's just as good? Wtf. Get the one I linked. Sorry, there was a misunderstanding, I thought you talked about the mobo. What do you think about built-in PSUs? I couldn't find the mobo you linked on Alternate, so I picked that one. Is there a better alternative on Alternate? (I haven't decided yet where to order, it will either be Alternate or Hardwareversand.) Edit: Oh, I see, built-ins are bad. :D Could you pick me another case in that prize range? Don't really know what to take.
Alternate is terribly overpriced, it's either hardwareversand or mindfactory.de that you'll be ordering for if you care about the price. Anobo.de works as well but it's pretty much hardwareversand in pricing so nothing should be different.
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the tt toughpower series is pretty grouse. theyre CWT DSG, like the corsair hx 750/850w units, but with teapos on the secondary
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On January 04 2012 10:52 Legatus Lanius wrote:
the tt toughpower series is pretty grouse. theyre CWT DSG, like the corsair hx 750/850w units, but with teapos on the secondary
That's ToughPower XT, and only the models with wattages of _75. Other older ToughPower XT are CWT PSH or something else, I think. Thermaltake has too many damn models, sometimes for intentional obfuscation. If you include normal ToughPower and the ToughPower Grand, there's also designs by Sirtec and Enhance, as well as other CWT offerings.
Anyway, the point is that you won't be getting one of those bundled with a cheap Thermaltake case.
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yeah, toughpower xt x75 units are the only ones available in australia
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On January 04 2012 10:07 SolidMustard wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 09:47 skyR wrote:
You need to provide more information if you want help.
Are you in France? 400 euros?
Since you're coming from a MBP, do you need a monitor? Is that part of the budget? If you already have a monitor, what resolution is it?
Do you need an operating system? Is that part of the budget? Ok, so obviously my first post was really no enough data, so I'm going to read everything advised by Medrea and I'll post here again if needed!
Sorry if I came off cranky. Looking back on my post I could see how someone would think that. I'm not saying "Look at this shit you noob".
I should have said "Read these because I am so confident they will answer absolutely everything you want to know about it"
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Second attempt here ;-)
I read this :
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=271861
So I want something equivalent to the 600$ build that is described on this thread but after researching on the internet, I can't find everything in France.
What I found (didn't buy anything yet so if something's wrong, please tell me):
- Processor: socket 1155 Intel Core i5 2400 S (187 eur)
http://www.materiel.net/processeur-socket-1155/intel-core-i5-2400-s-64198.html
- Graphics Card: Radeon HD 6870 1Go IceQ X Turbo (167 eur)
http://www.materiel.net/carte-graphique/his-radeon-hd-6870-1go-iceq-x-turbo-69317.html
- Case, Power supply and optical drive: these I found and I can't really mess up
Now I didn't found the recommended hard drive and RAM which were Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM and Pareema 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333.
I couldn'd find the BIOSTAR H61MLC motherboard either. So do you guys know what other motherboard / RAM / hard drive I could use to replace those that I can't find ?
Also, don't I need a sound card ?? I'm a total noob as far as hardware goes but why is there no sound card in this "build" ?
Thanks in advance for the help!
EDIT: @Meadra you didnt come off crankyat all, your post was straight to the point and you were totally right so thx for the links
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You can't mess the case and PSU up? =O Sure you can, you should list the ones you were thinking of.
For hard drive, I'd suggest the cheapest 500gb 7200RPM drive available there.
For RAM just get the cheapest 4-8gb of ram that's 1.5V and 1333Mhz.
For mobo I'd get the cheapest Asrock H61 mobo
For graphics card btw that one's terribly overpriced, 6870 should not be more than 145 euros, possibly 150. I suggest you either change the card or try another site.
The processor should not be i5 2400S, it needs to be i5 2400. 2400S is a piece of shit, that's what the S stands for.
Motherboards have integrated sound cards that are good enough for most people.
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