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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
RaKooNs
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom397 Posts
November 20 2011 13:47 GMT
#14941
I should really stop feeding trolls.
If you don't drop sweat today, you will drop tears tomorrow - SlayerS_MMA
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 20 2011 13:47 GMT
#14942
Shouldn't I stop feeding since you can't even link to this literal evidence?
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 13:53:54
November 20 2011 13:53 GMT
#14943
On November 20 2011 22:47 RaKooNs wrote:
I should really stop feeding trolls.

Did you just call skyR a troll? He/she is one of the most frequent contributers to this thread and the tech forum in general. Maybe you should stop taking things so personal and listen to what it's being said instead.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
RaKooNs
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom397 Posts
November 20 2011 13:54 GMT
#14944
On November 20 2011 22:53 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 22:47 RaKooNs wrote:
I should really stop feeding trolls.

Did you just call skyR a troll? He/she is one of the most frequent contributers to this thread and the tech forum in general. Maybe you should stop taking things so personal and listen to what it's being said instead.

He may be the most frequent contributer in this thread however what he is saying is absolutely absurd.
If you don't drop sweat today, you will drop tears tomorrow - SlayerS_MMA
BergarnPersson
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden12 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 14:01:31
November 20 2011 13:59 GMT
#14945
On November 20 2011 10:12 Myrmidon wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
(warning: I did not cross-check prices with alternate retailers)

Core i5-2310 - 1599 SEK
http://www.dustinhome.se/intel-core-i5-2310-290ghz-6mb-s-1155/product/5010593978

Gigabyte H61M-D2 - 549 SEK
http://www.dustinhome.se/gigabyte-h61m-d2-b3-ddr3-s-1155-m-atx/product/5010611879

Kingston 2 x 4GB DDR3 RAM - 399 SEK
http://www.dustinhome.se/dimm-ddr3-8gb-1333mhz-cl9-(2x4gb)/product/5010369693

(if needed) Samsung CD / DVD burner - 179 SEK
http://www.dustinhome.se/samsung-dvd±r-rw-ram-dl-22x-sata-bulk-svart/product/5010597713

You're looking for a new CPU probably, which requires a new motherboard. Motherboard in tern requires new RAM. Since DDR3 RAM is cheap now, may as well get 8GB since it's not much more expensive, and some poorly-written flash stuff might be memory hogs? Your old optical drive seems to be IDE (PATA), not compatible with most new cheap motherboards, so there's a SATA optical drive also.


The old CPU is not terrible though. I would consider just using it for a while longer.

See below comparison for a rough idea, and note which benchmarks make use of all cores and which don't (most games and things you will do, will not use all cores). E7500 is just slightly faster than the E7400, while the i5-2400 is slightly faster than the i5-2310. The E7400/E7500 are the same chip, and same for i5-2310/i5-2400, just at different clock speeds:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/87?vs=363


So go for a new CPU which requires a new mobo, new RAM, new DVD. And you're also saying that my CPU isn't all that bad.

So basically, if I understand you correctly, you're saying that I should wait and when I do upgrade I should upgrade Mobo,RAM,CPU and DVD all at once. So maybe wait until the i5 2500K has dropped in price and go for that one? Seems that everybody all over the place is getting that one.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 14:02:51
November 20 2011 14:02 GMT
#14946
On November 20 2011 22:54 RaKooNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 22:53 nihlon wrote:
On November 20 2011 22:47 RaKooNs wrote:
I should really stop feeding trolls.

Did you just call skyR a troll? He/she is one of the most frequent contributers to this thread and the tech forum in general. Maybe you should stop taking things so personal and listen to what it's being said instead.

He may be the most frequent contributer in this thread however what he is saying is absolutely absurd.


Not really. Maybe you should provide with some evidence or clarification to what you are trying to get across instead of calling one the more knowledgeable posters on this subforum a troll...
Banelings are too cute to blow up
RaKooNs
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom397 Posts
November 20 2011 14:07 GMT
#14947
I would literally have to go through each VOD of destiny playing for the last 2-4 weeks.
If you don't drop sweat today, you will drop tears tomorrow - SlayerS_MMA
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 20 2011 14:12 GMT
#14948
On November 20 2011 23:07 RaKooNs wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I would literally have to go through each VOD of destiny playing for the last 2-4 weeks.


If what I'm saying is absolutely absurd than please provide literal evidence of someone playing Battlefield 3 on max settings at constant sixty or even Starcraft II on max settings at constant sixty. This evidence isn't exactly hard to provide if what you say is true so I'm not sure why you dodging this.

Hey look, it didn't even take me a minute to show that your goal isn't possible: http://www.twitch.tv/steven_bonnell_ii/b/300053812 He drops to 30 at ~11:10 and this isn't even at 100 supply and the funny thing is he's hovering at 30-60 for the rest of the game... and this isn't even Metro 2033 or Battlefield 3...

Trolls are fun. I'm going to go back to dota2 now and someone can help him with a configuration since he doesn't want my help.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 14:19:21
November 20 2011 14:18 GMT
#14949
On November 20 2011 22:59 BergarnPersson wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On November 20 2011 10:12 Myrmidon wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
(warning: I did not cross-check prices with alternate retailers)

Core i5-2310 - 1599 SEK
http://www.dustinhome.se/intel-core-i5-2310-290ghz-6mb-s-1155/product/5010593978

Gigabyte H61M-D2 - 549 SEK
http://www.dustinhome.se/gigabyte-h61m-d2-b3-ddr3-s-1155-m-atx/product/5010611879

Kingston 2 x 4GB DDR3 RAM - 399 SEK
http://www.dustinhome.se/dimm-ddr3-8gb-1333mhz-cl9-(2x4gb)/product/5010369693

(if needed) Samsung CD / DVD burner - 179 SEK
http://www.dustinhome.se/samsung-dvd±r-rw-ram-dl-22x-sata-bulk-svart/product/5010597713

You're looking for a new CPU probably, which requires a new motherboard. Motherboard in tern requires new RAM. Since DDR3 RAM is cheap now, may as well get 8GB since it's not much more expensive, and some poorly-written flash stuff might be memory hogs? Your old optical drive seems to be IDE (PATA), not compatible with most new cheap motherboards, so there's a SATA optical drive also.


The old CPU is not terrible though. I would consider just using it for a while longer.

See below comparison for a rough idea, and note which benchmarks make use of all cores and which don't (most games and things you will do, will not use all cores). E7500 is just slightly faster than the E7400, while the i5-2400 is slightly faster than the i5-2310. The E7400/E7500 are the same chip, and same for i5-2310/i5-2400, just at different clock speeds:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/87?vs=363


So go for a new CPU which requires a new mobo, new RAM, new DVD. And you're also saying that my CPU isn't all that bad.

So basically, if I understand you correctly, you're saying that I should wait and when I do upgrade I should upgrade Mobo,RAM,CPU and DVD all at once. So maybe wait until the i5 2500K has dropped in price and go for that one? Seems that everybody all over the place is getting that one.


The 2500k is for overclockers. You would also need to save up more for an aftermarket heatsink and a P67 or Z68 motherboard.

And yes it would be wise to save up to upgrade the three components (cpu, memory, motherboard) all at once because the LGA775 socket is old and there isn't anything worthwhile you can get for it that isn't outperformed by a current processor (which requires a new motherboard and new memory).
SleepTech
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States222 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 14:57:17
November 20 2011 14:55 GMT
#14950
Ok, I have a question concerning RAM. I was watching this newegg video and the guy is looking at the new Sandybridge-E 3960x processor and he has 64GB RAM on his 2011 motherboard.

Here's the whole video:


Here's a link to the RAM part.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nP8Q-7Mdztg#t=899s

At 14:58 mark, the guy starts to talk about WHY he has the 64GB RAM and how he can convert it to memory like a hard drive and it blows the SSD speeds out of the water. My question is: How is this achieved? I think it'd be pretty sweet to try out and see how it works.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
November 20 2011 14:58 GMT
#14951
He's probably using a RAM disk. Not very useful for consumers because, well, RAM is volatile.
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
November 20 2011 15:00 GMT
#14952
skyr is just saying that theres always dips below 60fps no matter what your setup is, because of the hardware or just a dud part of the game itself.

a 6950 will play bf3 on high @ 60fps, and you might be able to touch ultra if you turn off shit like AA, SSAO, post processing or whatever else they have going. on average, sure, but youll never constantly maintain it
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
Merkd
Profile Joined May 2011
88 Posts
November 20 2011 15:55 GMT
#14953
Been thinking of upgrading to a GTX 580 but not sure if to wait 4-5 months until the next gen cards out.. unless they delay even more. What you guys think?
They fill you with false hopes, they speak visions from their own minds.
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
November 20 2011 16:08 GMT
#14954
even if the new cards werent coming out soon a gtx 580 is still pretty poor value for money
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
olabaz
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States298 Posts
November 20 2011 16:13 GMT
#14955
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 20 2011 17:31 olabaz wrote:
What is your budget?

$600
What is your resolution?

1280x1024 but might upgrade in a Year

What are you using it for?

Would like to play sc2 on high/ultra and stream and run music software such as Steinberg Cubase

What is your upgrade cycle?

I could upgrade 1 component every year ie: resolution year after purchase, gpu year after, CPU year after that

When do you plan on building it?

Hopefully by 1st week of December

Do you plan on overclocking?

Probably not, sounds dangerous

Do you need an Operating System?

I can get one from school so no

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

I don't know what this means or if I should.

Where are you buying your parts from?

CompUSA, tigerdirect, newegg, amazon


Bump!
Logsaysned
Profile Joined October 2011
United States5 Posts
November 20 2011 16:57 GMT
#14956
Hey dudes, this thread kicks ass. I’m looking to upgrade to a real computer after playing sc2 on my laptop at low settings and dropping to single-digit fps at times. Much thanks for your help!

What is your budget?

Looking to spend up to $700 US though I need an OS as well (Windows7) so that leaves about $600 for the comp.

What is your resolution?

I’m going to be getting a new monitor, running 1920x1080. Looking for monitor recommendations in the $175 price range as well.

What are you using it for?

Mostly SC2 and eventually D3. Some FPS and racing games as well. Hoping to run SC2 at high with 60ish fps

What is your upgrade cycle?

About 3-4 years.

When do you plan on building it?


I’d like to buy parts within the next week. I can wait until black friday if that will save me some $$.

Do you plan on overclocking?

I haven’t overclocked before but I’d consider it if it fits within my budget.

Do you need an Operating System?

Yes, I will be getting windows 7.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?


Nope.

Where are you buying your parts from?

likely NCIX and/or newegg for their prices. Also I have a Fry’s store nearby.

poopman
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada83 Posts
November 20 2011 17:20 GMT
#14957
On November 21 2011 01:13 olabaz wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 20 2011 17:31 olabaz wrote:
What is your budget?

$600
What is your resolution?

1280x1024 but might upgrade in a Year

What are you using it for?

Would like to play sc2 on high/ultra and stream and run music software such as Steinberg Cubase

What is your upgrade cycle?

I could upgrade 1 component every year ie: resolution year after purchase, gpu year after, CPU year after that

When do you plan on building it?

Hopefully by 1st week of December

Do you plan on overclocking?

Probably not, sounds dangerous

Do you need an Operating System?

I can get one from school so no

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

I don't know what this means or if I should.

Where are you buying your parts from?

CompUSA, tigerdirect, newegg, amazon


Bump!

Part list permalink / Part price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-2100 3.1GHz Dual-Core Processor ($99.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Biostar H61MGC Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($56.97 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Value Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.D 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($156.28 @ Newegg)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 6790 1GB Video Card ($124.00 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill R218-P-BK ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Antec 380W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($45.00 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $532.22
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated 2011-11-20 12:16 EST-0500)

could try this
olabaz
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States298 Posts
November 20 2011 17:32 GMT
#14958
On November 21 2011 02:20 poopman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 01:13 olabaz wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 20 2011 17:31 olabaz wrote:
What is your budget?

$600
What is your resolution?

1280x1024 but might upgrade in a Year

What are you using it for?

Would like to play sc2 on high/ultra and stream and run music software such as Steinberg Cubase

What is your upgrade cycle?

I could upgrade 1 component every year ie: resolution year after purchase, gpu year after, CPU year after that

When do you plan on building it?

Hopefully by 1st week of December

Do you plan on overclocking?

Probably not, sounds dangerous

Do you need an Operating System?

I can get one from school so no

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

I don't know what this means or if I should.

Where are you buying your parts from?

CompUSA, tigerdirect, newegg, amazon


Bump!

Part list permalink / Part price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-2100 3.1GHz Dual-Core Processor ($99.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Biostar H61MGC Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($56.97 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Value Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.D 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($156.28 @ Newegg)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 6790 1GB Video Card ($124.00 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill R218-P-BK ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Antec 380W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($45.00 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $532.22
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated 2011-11-20 12:16 EST-0500)

could try this

Wow great price. Can anyone confirm if this would be ideal for what I want to do?
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
November 20 2011 17:44 GMT
#14959
I dunno anything about your music software, if you can stream with an i3, it'll be pretty low quality. You'll need at least an i5 (quad-core) for that. i5's are a lot more expensive, however.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
imJukin
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States47 Posts
November 20 2011 17:45 GMT
#14960
Well it depends, you could get a better CPU and Mobo or video card if you already have an existing HDD. Do you have one from your old computer that is 7200 RPM that you could use for storage?

But as far as playing on the resolution you suggested that computer would work pretty well.
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