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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
On November 21 2011 11:04 Kinetik_Inferno wrote: Is it true that if you use an AMD processor, and an ATI graphics card, they will communicate in a way that will improve performance a lot? No. Processors & graphics card gain no bonus based on the manufacturer of the other component. | ||
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Merkd
88 Posts
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FireSA
Australia555 Posts
Core i5 2400 radeon hd 6950 8G Kit 1333 G.Skill Ripjaws-X G-B H61M-USB3 Cooler Master Elite 341 m-ATX Mini Tower Case Seagate SATA3 500G Antec Neo Eco 450 As you see this is budget, and it also has a mini tower so that it is easier to take with me. Yeah so please give me feedback, thank you ;D | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
I dunno if you'll be able to do ultra settings on BF3, but you should play comfortably near it without AA & it doesn't look like there's much you can do to improve the CPU or GPU for that game without also increasing your budget around 100 dollars. @Merkd Depends on your monitor setup/mobo/games you play. If you play games on a normal 1920x1080 screen (25" or smaller) then a 560ti or 6950 will max out most games. Those they don't max out, will almost max out. But if you want tops in every game, a 570 or 6970 should do you fine. If you have a 2560x1600 or so monitor or 3 1080 monitors in eyefinity or surround, then one 580 or something like crossfire 6950s is more reasonable. You'd want to check individual benchmarks for your favorite games to see which performs better for the game in this situation. Of course, you can only go SLI/Crossfire if your mobo supports it. If you have a large TV (1920x1080) acting as a monitor and want to turn up AA, somewhere in between the two or closer to the second. If your monitor has a lower resolution than 1920x1080 or you play non-graphics demanding games (SC2, LoL, etc), than a 560Ti or 6950 should be overkill. But if you're not dissatisfied with current performance, waiting for the next-gen would save money as well. | ||
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Peanutbuttah
Canada68 Posts
Is this a good case? Seems like a case with a lot of useful features and I've seen it as low as about 50$ on some sites | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On November 21 2011 14:29 Merkd wrote: Well if a 580 gtx isnt good value for money can u tell me a card that is please that can perform just as well? You have to be more specific about what you play, your resolution and so on. Misterfred summarized it pretty well. | ||
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Merkd
88 Posts
On November 21 2011 17:31 gruff wrote: You have to be more specific about what you play, your resolution and so on. Misterfred summarized it pretty well. Ok well i play at 1920x1080 and basically want max settings on battlefield 3 and new releases on a similar level of demand on the graphics. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Though GTX 570 might be a better choice depending | ||
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Grohnn
15 Posts
Plan to play on 1920x1080 if that helps. Thanks in advance | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
Honestly, if I were you I'd get a 1GB 6950 if I was impatient and wanted to upgrade now. You can still play on ultra BF3 with a 6950. You might get occasional slowdowns, but frankly you'll get occasional slowdowns with a 580 or more expensive graphics cards as well (CPU limitations). If I wanted sheer raw GPU power, I'd wait until the next generation of GPUs come out, since it looks like the higher end should be out in Jan/Feb. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On November 22 2011 00:50 MisterFred wrote: @Merkd Honestly, if I were you I'd get a 1GB 6950 if I was impatient and wanted to upgrade now. You can still play on ultra BF3 with a 6950. You might get occasional slowdowns, but frankly you'll get occasional slowdowns with a 580 or more expensive graphics cards as well (CPU limitations). If I wanted sheer raw GPU power, I'd wait until the next generation of GPUs come out, since it looks like the higher end should be out in Jan/Feb. Why would you get ATI for battlefield 3? It's much better for Nvidia cards. Even GTX 580 has trouble averaging 60 fps at ultra so the 250$ cards won't be able to do that either. GTX 560 Ti and GTX 570 are still the best options for that game. | ||
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Madoga
Netherlands471 Posts
On November 22 2011 00:55 Shikyo wrote: Why would you get ATI for battlefield 3? It's much better for Nvidia cards. Even GTX 580 has trouble averaging 60 fps at ultra so the 250$ cards won't be able to do that either. GTX 560 Ti and GTX 570 are still the best options for that game. The 6950 does a lot better than the 560-ti in bf3 (atleast on 1080p). If you disable AA it will even come close to the performance of the gtx570. http://www.sweclockers.com/artikel/14650-prestandaanalys-battlefield-3/4#pagehead http://www.techspot.com/review/458-battlefield-3-performance/page5.html And various other sites | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graphics-performance,3063-12.html I checked only these because he said he wants to run it maxed but apparently tomshardware strikes again -,- | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
I'm slow again today  .In the benchmarks I looked at, Nvidia did not have a significant advantage over AMD/ATI and the 6950 was playable at ultra. In every benchmark of BF3 I've seen, the 6950 beats the 560Ti by a small margin. Most of those benchmarks were on 'high' quality settings. On ultra, the 6950 generally got a tad under 40fps on average. Playable. And as you said, the 580 has trouble averaging 60fps on ultra, so if Merkd really wanted to overkill the game with a single card, he'll have to wait for the next gen of cards. I have no idea where your perceptions of an Nvidia bias in the game comes from. Maybe you've looked at it a lot more in depth than I have. But common benchmarks don't show that. Not that Nvidia is a bad choice for the game. Rather, it seems the cards perform in line with what one would expect. | ||
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TT1
Canada10040 Posts
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB 3.5IN 16MB Cache SATA3 Internal Hard Disk Drive HDD http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=63468 Gigabyte H67M-D2-B3 mATX LGA1155 H67 DDR3 2PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 CrossFireX SATA3 Motherboa *IR-$8* http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=59419 Corsair CMV4GX3M2A1333C9 4GB DDR3 2X2GB DDR3-1333 CL9 Dual Channel Memory Kit http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=45301 Coolermaster Haf 912 Black Mid Tower ATX Case 4X5.25 1X3.5 6X3.5INT No PS Front USB Sound http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=55583 Samsung DVDRW 22X SATA Black OEM http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=60344 Intel Core i5 2320 Quad Core Processor 3.0GHZ LGA1155 6MB Cache 95W Retail Box http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=63959 Antec Neo Eco 450C Power Supply ATX 12V Active PFC 80PLUS 120MM Fan http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=60491 nGear Power Cord for Computer / Monitor 6FT NEMA5-15P to C13 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=3104 Powercolor Radeon HD 6850 775MHZ 1GB 4.0GHZ GDDR5 2XDVI DisplayPort HDMI PCI-E Video Card http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=56240&promoid=1190 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64BIT SP1 DVD OEM http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=45271 PC Assembly and Testing With 1 Year Limited NCIX System Warranty (PRE-CONFIG WIN. OS If Purchased) http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=7842 edit: he mainly just wants to be able to d3/other games on high settings, also he doesnt want to overclock it edit2: after pricematching with directcanada.com the total came out to 824$ | ||
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Ata
Canada356 Posts
On November 22 2011 04:43 TT1 wrote: ok i have a small problem guys, my friend wants me to build a comp for him for around 700$, i wanted to build him a quality rig but after i was done it came out to 900$ T.T, can someone help me downgrade a few of a parts?(and check if everything is compatible) Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB 3.5IN 16MB Cache SATA3 Internal Hard Disk Drive HDD http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=63468 Gigabyte H67M-D2-B3 mATX LGA1155 H67 DDR3 2PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 CrossFireX SATA3 Motherboa *IR-$8* http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=59419 Corsair CMV4GX3M2A1333C9 4GB DDR3 2X2GB DDR3-1333 CL9 Dual Channel Memory Kit http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=45301 Coolermaster Haf 912 Black Mid Tower ATX Case 4X5.25 1X3.5 6X3.5INT No PS Front USB Sound http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=55583 Samsung DVDRW 22X SATA Black OEM http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=60344 Intel Core i5 2320 Quad Core Processor 3.0GHZ LGA1155 6MB Cache 95W Retail Box http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=63959 Antec Neo Eco 450C Power Supply ATX 12V Active PFC 80PLUS 120MM Fan http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=60491 nGear Power Cord for Computer / Monitor 6FT NEMA5-15P to C13 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=3104 Radeon HD6850 1GB DDR5 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=888899396 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64BIT SP1 DVD OEM http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=45271 PC Assembly and Testing With 1 Year Limited NCIX System Warranty (PRE-CONFIG WIN. OS If Purchased) http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=7842 It would depend on what he wants to do with it. but for starters, that 6850 is too expensive, http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=63985&vpn=HD685XZCFC&manufacture=XFX&promoid=1190 is just an example. you will also need to pricematch stuff like the processor ( http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12200BD5176&vpn=BX80623I52400&manufacture=INTEL ) when you live in canada. You should save 5$ on optical drive. If you/he is on a budget, try making it yourself and save 50$, and possibly get Windows with university discount. | ||
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TT1
Canada10040 Posts
On November 22 2011 04:45 Ata wrote: It would depend on what he wants to do with it. but for starters, that 6850 is too expensive, you will also need to pricematch stuff like the processor ( http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12200BD5176&vpn=BX80623I52400&manufacture=INTEL ) when you live in canada. If you/he is on a budget, try making it yourself and save 50$, and possibly get Windows with university discount. theres no way around the 50$ installation fee and the win7 copy | ||
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Ata
Canada356 Posts
On November 22 2011 04:57 TT1 wrote: theres no way around the 50$ installation fee and the win7 copy Well I assume its for gaming, but I would suggest you clarify that for quicker answer from someone more knowledgeable. gl | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On November 22 2011 04:43 TT1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler + ok i have a small problem guys, my friend wants me to build a comp for him for around 700$, i wanted to build him a quality rig but after i was done it came out to 900$ T.T, can someone help me downgrade a few of the parts?(and check to see if everything is compatible) Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB 3.5IN 16MB Cache SATA3 Internal Hard Disk Drive HDD http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=63468 Gigabyte H67M-D2-B3 mATX LGA1155 H67 DDR3 2PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 CrossFireX SATA3 Motherboa *IR-$8* http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=59419 Corsair CMV4GX3M2A1333C9 4GB DDR3 2X2GB DDR3-1333 CL9 Dual Channel Memory Kit http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=45301 Coolermaster Haf 912 Black Mid Tower ATX Case 4X5.25 1X3.5 6X3.5INT No PS Front USB Sound http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=55583 Samsung DVDRW 22X SATA Black OEM http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=60344 Intel Core i5 2320 Quad Core Processor 3.0GHZ LGA1155 6MB Cache 95W Retail Box http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=63959 Antec Neo Eco 450C Power Supply ATX 12V Active PFC 80PLUS 120MM Fan http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=60491 nGear Power Cord for Computer / Monitor 6FT NEMA5-15P to C13 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=3104 Radeon HD6850 1GB DDR5 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=888899396 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64BIT SP1 DVD OEM http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=45271 PC Assembly and Testing With 1 Year Limited NCIX System Warranty (PRE-CONFIG WIN. OS If Purchased) http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=7842 edit: he mainly just wants to be able to d3/other games on high settings, also he doesnt want to overclock it edit2: after pricematching with directcanada.com the total for this build came out to 850$ This is probably what you want for $743: Intel Core i5 2320 @ $187 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=1220120035Q ) http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=63959 MSI H61M-P21 @ $61 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12980BD0755 ) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59106 Corsair 1x4GB @ $20 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11180BD5280 ) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=54791 Powercolor Radeon HD6850 @ $140 ($120 after mail in rebate) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=56240&promoid=1190 Corsair CX430V2 @ $40 (pricematch wtih http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950AC1394 ) http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=60345 Seagate Barracuda 500gb @ $95 (pricematch with http://www.pc-canada.com/item/ST500DM002.html ) http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=63468 Bitfenix Merc Alpha @ $36 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950AC9574 ) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=63256 Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 x64 @ $96 (pricematch with http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/222137/MICROSOFT/GFC_02050/ ) http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=45271 DVD Burner @ $18 (pricematch with http://directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950DR6784 ) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60344 Assembly @ $50 http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=7842 | ||
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