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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
November 18 2011 11:21 GMT
#14861
On November 18 2011 20:18 wattabeast wrote:

does that build work together since isn't the Raedon AMD and the i5 is intel, so from what I thought I knew it had to be all one or the other? (I'm probably wrong) Thanks. Also some specifics would be awsome


Doesn't matter in the slightest. Any brand of CPU will work with any brand of GPU. "All one or the other" doesn't even make sense, since Intel doesn't make any GPUs (other than their terrible IGPs that noone that has ever had the intention of playing a game uses).
Such flammable little insects!
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-18 11:29:43
November 18 2011 11:29 GMT
#14862
On November 18 2011 20:18 wattabeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 13:22 skyR wrote:
On November 18 2011 13:02 wattabeast wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I am going to build myself a computer for a birthday present to myself :D but the problem is that I have little knowledge about the parts, as in what are the best/most cost efficient parts. basically here is what I need:
everything but a mouse haha. I need all the parts for the computer, a monitor, and a keyboard.(I can get an extra copy of windows 7) I currently am on an old laptop and want to be able to play sc2 at a higher quality, as well as not have random freezes while playing on low quality. Also overall just want a better computer service. Money i'd be willing to spend: ~800$ or so, but that includes cheap keyboard and cheap monitor, as I feel as if the actual computer hardware is more important. I do not need to spend that much money, but around there is what I'd be willing to spend (give or take 100 dollars or so). Now, If there are deals on NewEgg (the website I plan to use to purchase everything) on cyber monday and black friday, that'd be awesome, so maybe for each option possibly slightly more expensive, better alternatives in case there are deals. Thanks so much to everyone who responds in advance! please PM me the details as well as post here if you don't mind, because tomorrow until sunday afternoon I'll be at MLG!! Thanks everyone in advance; hope I'm not asking for too much work haha!
EDIT: oh and I plan on upgrading it fairly slowly (probably 3 years or so) and it would be nice to be able to stream, but not super duper important. Thanks again


This is a list of what you want if you want to be able to stream and play games on reasonably high settings:

  • Core i5 2300 / 2310 / 2320 / 2400 / 2500 / 2500k - ~$190
  • H61 / H67 / P67 / Z68 motherboard - ~$70
  • 2x4GB 1333MHz memory - ~$35
  • Radeon HD6850 / HD6870 - ~$150
  • Corsair CX430 V2 / Antec Earthwatts 380D or 430D / Antec Neo Eco 400C - ~$40
  • any case - ~$40
  • some DVD drive or burner - ~$15
  • some overpriced 500gb 7200RPM HDD (Western Digital Caviar Blue, Seagate Barracuda) - ~$100
  • 1080p monitor - ~$100


Components are listed from worse to best if you didn't figure that out so pay accordingly.

does that build work together since isn't the Raedon AMD and the i5 is intel, so from what I thought I knew it had to be all one or the other? (I'm probably wrong) Thanks. Also some specifics would be awsome


The only thing you really have to match with the processor is the motherboard. Gpu's work as long as it fits your case and power supply.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Felo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany392 Posts
November 18 2011 11:29 GMT
#14863
Hello,

I'm going to build a computer in the near future but have absolutely no clue when it comes to hardware (Which is somewhat shameful when I think about the fact that I work as an software engineer).

My budget

1.000 € - 1.200 € (1.300 - 1.600 $)

Where am I?

Germany. One of our more well-known suppliers is www.alternate.com but they seem to be slightly overpriced?

Can I assemble it myself?

Sure.

What I don't need

- Monitors (I have two of them, both should be used)
- Peripherals (I have Keyboard/Mice/Headset)

What I want to do

- SC2 on highest Settings
-> duh.

- Streaming of SC2 in HD quality
-> As I'm streaming tournaments I want the best possible quality for my viewers, upstream is not a problem, so the only thing holding me back will be the rig. I aim for 60 FPS if doable in that price segment.

- It should be as silent as possible
-> The computer stands in my sleeping room and as I'm often rendering videos while sleeping it would be great if its as silent as possible. You can add the case of your choice to accomplish that as well as fans or whatever you need. I don't know if I have the craftmanship to properly set-up watercooling but if you deem it neccessary, I will take the journey.

- Soundcard should be good
-> I plan to use my computer also for playing music over a high quality sound system in the future and movies, so a high quality sound card would be a really nice feature. If you can't fit it in the budget, I accept that.

How long should it last?

Approx. 2 years. As I need it now I cannot wait for the new technology and I dont really care if I have to play new games on "not-the-highest-settings" in 1 1/2 Year, as long as streaming will work smooth.

HDD

I dont really care for that. If you can fit it in the budget I would like one of those cheap 2 TB HDDs with low speed, because thats sufficient for me to store this and that. One HDD should be rather quick for FRAPSing and an SSD is absolutely optional. If you can fit it in the budget, fine, if not, whatever.

Something else?

I dont know, is something missing? I dont have a grudge against any kind of hardware producer, so use whatever piece you see fitting. If you need anything else, please let me know. As I know that it is kind of lazy to let you do the assembling for me, I should at least give you the most informations possible (I built my last computer myself and it was kind of ... sucky, so I'm reaching out for you guys with the experience and knowledge!)
EU GML P | Check my Stream (with commentary!) -> www.twitch.tv/xFelo
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-18 13:20:58
November 18 2011 13:18 GMT
#14864
On November 18 2011 20:29 Felo wrote:
Hello,

I'm going to build a computer in the near future but have absolutely no clue when it comes to hardware (Which is somewhat shameful when I think about the fact that I work as an software engineer).

My budget

1.000 € - 1.200 € (1.300 - 1.600 $)

Where am I?

Germany. One of our more well-known suppliers is www.alternate.com but they seem to be slightly overpriced?

Can I assemble it myself?

Sure.

What I don't need

- Monitors (I have two of them, both should be used)
- Peripherals (I have Keyboard/Mice/Headset)

What I want to do

- SC2 on highest Settings
-> duh.

- Streaming of SC2 in HD quality
-> As I'm streaming tournaments I want the best possible quality for my viewers, upstream is not a problem, so the only thing holding me back will be the rig. I aim for 60 FPS if doable in that price segment.

- It should be as silent as possible
-> The computer stands in my sleeping room and as I'm often rendering videos while sleeping it would be great if its as silent as possible. You can add the case of your choice to accomplish that as well as fans or whatever you need. I don't know if I have the craftmanship to properly set-up watercooling but if you deem it neccessary, I will take the journey.

- Soundcard should be good
-> I plan to use my computer also for playing music over a high quality sound system in the future and movies, so a high quality sound card would be a really nice feature. If you can't fit it in the budget, I accept that.

How long should it last?

Approx. 2 years. As I need it now I cannot wait for the new technology and I dont really care if I have to play new games on "not-the-highest-settings" in 1 1/2 Year, as long as streaming will work smooth.

HDD

I dont really care for that. If you can fit it in the budget I would like one of those cheap 2 TB HDDs with low speed, because thats sufficient for me to store this and that. One HDD should be rather quick for FRAPSing and an SSD is absolutely optional. If you can fit it in the budget, fine, if not, whatever.

Something else?

I dont know, is something missing? I dont have a grudge against any kind of hardware producer, so use whatever piece you see fitting. If you need anything else, please let me know. As I know that it is kind of lazy to let you do the assembling for me, I should at least give you the most informations possible (I built my last computer myself and it was kind of ... sucky, so I'm reaching out for you guys with the experience and knowledge!)

Here's a relatively luxurious build for you as you seem to have the money to spend and it's from Mindfactory as it's the cheapest german(and european) site currently:
2700k:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p770080_Core-i7-2700K-4x-3-50GHz-So-1155-BOX.html

P8P67:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p738460_Asus-P8P67-Intel-P67-So-1155-Dual-Channel-DDR3-ATX.html

Thermalright Macho:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p749923_Thermalright-HR-02-Macho-AMD-und-Intel.html

Palit GTX 570:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p701577_1280MB-Palit-GeForce-GTX-570-Dual-Fan-Aktiv-PCIe-2-0-x16--Retail-.html

8GB 1600Mhz Corsair Vengeance LP RAM(if you think you need 16gb just buy 2 sets):
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p745381_8GB-Corsair-Vengeance-LP-DDR3-1600-DIMM-CL9-Dual-Kit.html

Fractal Design Define R3:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p680525_ATX-Fractal-Design-Define-R3-Black-Pearl-Midi-Tower-o-NT-Schwarz-USB3-0.html

Super Flower Golden Green 550W 80+ Gold:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p688894_550W-SuperFlower-Golden-Green-Pro-80plus-gold.html

120GB Corsair ForceGT SSD:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p745790_120GB-Corsair-Force-Series-GT-CSSD-F120GBGT-BK-2-5Zoll--6-4cm--SATA-6Gb-s-MLC-synchron.html

Random DVD Burner(change this if you want a Bluray possibility):
http://www.mindfactory.de/Hardware/Laufwerke ~ Medien/DVD/DVD-Brenner.html/ypos/0

Asus Xonar XD/XD(not sure if its the best sound card for your purposes but it should be good enough):
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p632135_Asus-Soundkarte-Xonar-DX-XD-Low-Profile-7-1-PCIe-x1.html

win7:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p725312_Microsoft-Windows-7-Home-Premium-SP1-64bit-Deutsch-SB-OEM.html

Total: 1.199,43€

With shipping seems to go over budget >_> Could easily cut a few things though but let me know what you think

Also you should wait until the HDD prices go back to normal until you buy the 2TB HDD if at all possible, they're like 150+€ now when the normal pricing is in the 60s.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
CaM27
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium392 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-18 13:58:49
November 18 2011 13:55 GMT
#14865
Hi i am looking to buy a new graphic card.

This is my PSU name: FSP450-60EMDN
My specs: i7-2600 CPU @3.40GHZ
12gb ddr5
geforce 550ti

I consider my specs high end the big flaw is the graphic card and i guess the PSU aswell.
If i could get a decent card with the orginal PSU, which one would you recommend and why?

By the way this is my PC http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/desktop-pc/3306324/medion-akoya-p5704-d-review/ - it is a very small case so there is a space issue to consider too.

PS: i have a 23" monitor playing on 1920x
FinBenton
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland870 Posts
November 18 2011 14:10 GMT
#14866
I would go for HD6950.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
November 18 2011 14:12 GMT
#14867
On November 18 2011 20:21 Rannasha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 20:18 wattabeast wrote:

does that build work together since isn't the Raedon AMD and the i5 is intel, so from what I thought I knew it had to be all one or the other? (I'm probably wrong) Thanks. Also some specifics would be awsome


Doesn't matter in the slightest. Any brand of CPU will work with any brand of GPU. "All one or the other" doesn't even make sense, since Intel doesn't make any GPUs (other than their terrible IGPs that noone that has ever had the intention of playing a game uses).


Intel is in bed with nVidia. That being said, you're still right.
twitch.tv/medrea
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 18 2011 14:24 GMT
#14868
On November 18 2011 23:10 FinBenton wrote:
I would go for HD6950.

He said it's a small case, GTX 560 Ti would be clearly the better choice. This is assuming it indeed is a very small case.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
CaM27
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium392 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-18 14:38:25
November 18 2011 14:35 GMT
#14869
On November 18 2011 23:24 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 23:10 FinBenton wrote:
I would go for HD6950.

He said it's a small case, GTX 560 Ti would be clearly the better choice. This is assuming it indeed is a very small case.


http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/desktop-pc/3306324/medion-akoya-p5704-d-review/

This is the case. It is small but i figure it would enter in. The only problem i could only find 1 6pin PCI express instead of two.
I think the 560 ti requires two. Any help? Is this also really the best card i can get with my PSU??
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-18 14:42:12
November 18 2011 14:38 GMT
#14870
got spare molex cables?

Also, that pic doesn't say anything. Get a tape measure and measure the maximum lenght of a video card inside the case. Yep, you're going to open it up as well.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
CaM27
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium392 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-18 14:48:39
November 18 2011 14:46 GMT
#14871
On November 18 2011 23:38 Shikyo wrote:
got spare molex cables?

Also, that pic doesn't say anything. Get a tape measure and measure the maximum lenght of a video card inside the case. Yep, you're going to open it up as well.


Please have a look at the following file. As you might remember i'm a total novice in this.
Is the 560TI a good enough difference to make the purchase from a 550TI one?

Below are 3 pictures where you can figure out if it could fit in and if i have the required cables.

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By the way, is the 560TI the best i can go for now you've got an idea of my case?

Thanks
Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
November 18 2011 14:55 GMT
#14872
On November 18 2011 23:46 CaM27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 23:38 Shikyo wrote:
got spare molex cables?

Also, that pic doesn't say anything. Get a tape measure and measure the maximum lenght of a video card inside the case. Yep, you're going to open it up as well.


Please have a look at the following file. As you might remember i'm a total novice in this.
Is the 560TI a good enough difference to make the purchase from a 550TI one?

According to this chart:
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
it's a fairly decent upgrade.


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By the way, is the 560TI the best i can go for now you've got an idea of my case?


Find the website of the manufacturer of the card you want to buy, look up the actual size of the thing and measure it in your case. There is no way for us to look at a photo and be able to judge if it'll fit or not.

On a different subject: Your power-supply is fairly weak. I don't think there's much headroom left in the thing, so you may not be able to power the 560 Ti with that thing.
Such flammable little insects!
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-18 14:57:13
November 18 2011 14:56 GMT
#14873
If there's not enough spare molex in that gigantic clump of cables... <_<


Yeah I see at least 3, okay that's good.


So a 6950 might fit in the case as there seems to be space but that might clump the cables so that I still would get a GTX 560 Ti myself, it's cheaper as well.

The performance would be about 1.7 times that of GTX 550 Ti.

If you think GTX 560 Ti isn't good enough, the card you should get is GTX 570. The performance would be about 2 times the performance of GTX 550 Ti.


Power supply's more than enough for either a GTX 560 Ti or a GTX 570 so don't need to worry there.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
CaM27
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium392 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-18 14:57:57
November 18 2011 14:57 GMT
#14874
On November 18 2011 23:38 Shikyo wrote:
got spare molex cables?

Also, that pic doesn't say anything. Get a tape measure and measure the maximum lenght of a video card inside the case. Yep, you're going to open it up as well.


It's a bit more than 30 cm. But i guess 30 cm confortably.
So the 3 spare molex will do the trick?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-18 14:59:41
November 18 2011 14:58 GMT
#14875
On November 18 2011 23:57 CaM27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 23:38 Shikyo wrote:
got spare molex cables?

Also, that pic doesn't say anything. Get a tape measure and measure the maximum lenght of a video card inside the case. Yep, you're going to open it up as well.


It's a bit more than 30 cm. But i guess 30 cm confortably.

How will the cables go then though? GTX 560 Ti would be like 19.5 cm on some models like 22.5cm on most others, 6950 would be like 26cm and more and GTX 570 would be around 27cm and on

You just need to use 2 of the spare molex with a molex-to-pcie 6pin adapter and you can use the one PCIe connector for the other 6pin cable.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
CaM27
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium392 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-18 15:08:28
November 18 2011 15:02 GMT
#14876
On November 18 2011 23:58 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 23:57 CaM27 wrote:
On November 18 2011 23:38 Shikyo wrote:
got spare molex cables?

Also, that pic doesn't say anything. Get a tape measure and measure the maximum lenght of a video card inside the case. Yep, you're going to open it up as well.


It's a bit more than 30 cm. But i guess 30 cm confortably.

How will the cables go then though? GTX 560 Ti would be like 19.5 cm on some models like 22.5cm on most others, 6950 would be like 26cm and more and GTX 570 would be around 27cm and on

You just need to use 2 of the spare molex with a molex-to-pcie 6pin adapter and you can use the one PCIe connector for the other 6pin cable.


It seems to me the cable are pushed forward and won't get stuck with a longer gfx card. I don't know if i'm explaining this well!

I'm gonna for a 570, if not in stock a 560TI!

Thanks for your help man

Btw the 560ti they sell there is a slighly overclocked one to 900mhz i think.
And there were 2 x6pin pci express on the card itself. Does that mean to you anything?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 18 2011 15:07 GMT
#14877
try to not get a directCU or Windforce GTX 570 or something huge like that them, others should be fine I guess.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
KoTakUEurO
Profile Joined May 2011
605 Posts
November 18 2011 16:45 GMT
#14878
So I'm building a new computer, but I don't know much about hardware etc.

My budget is around ~6500CAN
I'm looking for something that will be able to run SC2 and LoL on max at ~60fps with FRAPS running, and be able to do extensive Photoshop, Illustrator, After Effects, Graphite, and video editing work. Sometimes I do a few tutorials for subordinates, so I also need to record video while doing Photoshop and Illustrator, then edit it and dump it into company sharedrive.
I already have 2 monitors, mouse, keyboard, and headset, so I don't really need any of that stuff.
Looking for good cooling and good sound card too.
Also looking for a solid upgradable case.
The hard drive should be able to write stuff very fast, as this is crucial to work.
Wanting this to last a little more than 3 years.
Looking to build from NCIX.
Thanks for your help!
Felo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany392 Posts
November 18 2011 17:06 GMT
#14879
On November 18 2011 22:18 Shikyo wrote:Here's a relatively luxurious build for you as you seem to have the money to spend and it's from Mindfactory as it's the cheapest german(and european) site currently:
2700k:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p770080_Core-i7-2700K-4x-3-50GHz-So-1155-BOX.html

P8P67:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p738460_Asus-P8P67-Intel-P67-So-1155-Dual-Channel-DDR3-ATX.html

Thermalright Macho:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p749923_Thermalright-HR-02-Macho-AMD-und-Intel.html

Palit GTX 570:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p701577_1280MB-Palit-GeForce-GTX-570-Dual-Fan-Aktiv-PCIe-2-0-x16--Retail-.html

8GB 1600Mhz Corsair Vengeance LP RAM(if you think you need 16gb just buy 2 sets):
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p745381_8GB-Corsair-Vengeance-LP-DDR3-1600-DIMM-CL9-Dual-Kit.html

Fractal Design Define R3:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p680525_ATX-Fractal-Design-Define-R3-Black-Pearl-Midi-Tower-o-NT-Schwarz-USB3-0.html

Super Flower Golden Green 550W 80+ Gold:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p688894_550W-SuperFlower-Golden-Green-Pro-80plus-gold.html

120GB Corsair ForceGT SSD:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p745790_120GB-Corsair-Force-Series-GT-CSSD-F120GBGT-BK-2-5Zoll--6-4cm--SATA-6Gb-s-MLC-synchron.html

Random DVD Burner(change this if you want a Bluray possibility):
http://www.mindfactory.de/Hardware/Laufwerke ~ Medien/DVD/DVD-Brenner.html/ypos/0

Asus Xonar XD/XD(not sure if its the best sound card for your purposes but it should be good enough):
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p632135_Asus-Soundkarte-Xonar-DX-XD-Low-Profile-7-1-PCIe-x1.html

win7:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p725312_Microsoft-Windows-7-Home-Premium-SP1-64bit-Deutsch-SB-OEM.html

Total: 1.199,43€

With shipping seems to go over budget >_> Could easily cut a few things though but let me know what you think

Also you should wait until the HDD prices go back to normal until you buy the 2TB HDD if at all possible, they're like 150+€ now when the normal pricing is in the 60s.


Wah, my bad! I dont need the OS, so everything fits well into my budget. I would probably change to some cheap blueray thingy because I actually don't need the option to burn something - that case looks perfect!

The 2TB Thingy can wait, thats not a problem. But ... a basic HDD with .. I dunno, 500 GB - 1 TB with the pace to not interfere with FRAPS-Recordings would be quite helpful - or is it advised just to sit it out until prices get lower overall?

Is there anything I actually could use 16 GB Ram for?

Are there opinions of other users on this build? I trust your skill but ten eyes naturally see more than two ^^
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