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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
November 18 2011 04:16 GMT
#14841
With 7500, you could get a SR-3 and 2 Xeons... and the rest for some other stuff...
Year 2500 Greater Israel ( Bahrain, Cyprus, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Gaza Strip, West Bank, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, Yemen )
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 18 2011 04:22 GMT
#14842
On November 18 2011 13:02 wattabeast wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I am going to build myself a computer for a birthday present to myself :D but the problem is that I have little knowledge about the parts, as in what are the best/most cost efficient parts. basically here is what I need:
everything but a mouse haha. I need all the parts for the computer, a monitor, and a keyboard.(I can get an extra copy of windows 7) I currently am on an old laptop and want to be able to play sc2 at a higher quality, as well as not have random freezes while playing on low quality. Also overall just want a better computer service. Money i'd be willing to spend: ~800$ or so, but that includes cheap keyboard and cheap monitor, as I feel as if the actual computer hardware is more important. I do not need to spend that much money, but around there is what I'd be willing to spend (give or take 100 dollars or so). Now, If there are deals on NewEgg (the website I plan to use to purchase everything) on cyber monday and black friday, that'd be awesome, so maybe for each option possibly slightly more expensive, better alternatives in case there are deals. Thanks so much to everyone who responds in advance! please PM me the details as well as post here if you don't mind, because tomorrow until sunday afternoon I'll be at MLG!! Thanks everyone in advance; hope I'm not asking for too much work haha!
EDIT: oh and I plan on upgrading it fairly slowly (probably 3 years or so) and it would be nice to be able to stream, but not super duper important. Thanks again


This is a list of what you want if you want to be able to stream and play games on reasonably high settings:

  • Core i5 2300 / 2310 / 2320 / 2400 / 2500 / 2500k - ~$190
  • H61 / H67 / P67 / Z68 motherboard - ~$70
  • 2x4GB 1333MHz memory - ~$35
  • Radeon HD6850 / HD6870 - ~$150
  • Corsair CX430 V2 / Antec Earthwatts 380D or 430D / Antec Neo Eco 400C - ~$40
  • any case - ~$40
  • some DVD drive or burner - ~$15
  • some overpriced 500gb 7200RPM HDD (Western Digital Caviar Blue, Seagate Barracuda) - ~$100
  • 1080p monitor - ~$100


Components are listed from worse to best if you didn't figure that out so pay accordingly.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
November 18 2011 04:23 GMT
#14843
On November 18 2011 11:53 KoTakUEurO wrote:
I'm wondering if building from OriginPC is worth the cost vs. building from something like NCIX.
I don't know much about the parts of a PC, so the Origin Big O thing sounds pretty good for me, since they will guide me through the building process.
Do you think that's worth it, or is it much better to build from other stores?
edit: and if I do build from Origin, do you recommend a Big O or Genesis Pro?


Long story short, it's a terrible idea to build from Origin unless money is really worthless to you. If money means nothing to you, Origin will put together a good product.

The good people on this site (particularly SkyR since you're from Canada) will provide you a list of compatible components if you ask nicely and fill out the OP questionnaire (be specific on what you want to do, monitor situation, & budget). The top posters here are really, really good at that That's the hardest part of buying a new computer.

Then have NCIX build it and figure out what to do with your extra $600-$1000 dollars. And no, that amount of savings is not an exaggeration.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
iG_XxVeZZxX
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-18 06:22:06
November 18 2011 04:24 GMT
#14844
This is the build that I had in mind for my next computer. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated so that I can have the best build I can for under $1000 dollars. Eventually I would like to run SLI but just one gfx card for now. Also I will be dual monitoring. I do some work in maya and zbrush but not a lot. I would like it to be able to stream in 1080p. I mostly play LoL, Skyrim, Sc2, BF3, and Crysis 2.

What is a good SSD? im thinking i need no more than 64gigs.


GPU-
MSI N560GTX-TI Twin Frozr II/OC GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB
256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127565
$244.99

MoBo-
MSI P67A-G43 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130583
$114.99

CPU-
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost)
LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623I52500K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0354589
$180-214.99

RAM-
Vengeance Series 8GB DDR3-1600 (PC3-12800) CL9 Dual Channel Desktop Memory Kit (Two 4GB
Memory Modules)
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0359910
$64.99

PSU-
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V v2.2 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC
Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006
$129.99
or
CORSAIR Gaming Series GS700 700W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139024
$109.99

HDD-
Barracuda 1TB 7,200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive ST310005N1A1AS-RK
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0334293
$119.99

SSD-
Crucial M4 CT064M4SSD2 2.5" 64GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148441
$114.99

HS-
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro Rev.2 92mm Fluid Dynamic CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134
$32.98

Is the second PSU SLI rdy because it doesnt say.
*UPDATED BUILD*

KoTakUEurO
Profile Joined May 2011
605 Posts
November 18 2011 04:36 GMT
#14845
On November 18 2011 12:28 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 11:53 KoTakUEurO wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I'm wondering if building from OriginPC is worth the cost vs. building from something like NCIX.
I don't know much about the parts of a PC, so the Origin Big O thing sounds pretty good for me, since they will guide me through the building process.
Do you think that's worth it, or is it much better to build from other stores?
edit: and if I do build from Origin, do you recommend a Big O or Genesis Pro?


If you're going to pour $7500 into a configuration. Please don't be a dumbass and at least get a core i7 3930k and probably quad CrossfireX / SLI. at the bare minimum. I rather pay NCIX to assemble for $50 than pay an American company a $1000 premium on whatever you want to waste your money on.



Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 12:12 Kilos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.canadacomputers.com/GrandOpening/

I'm thinking of getting a new build, but slowly upgrading.

Is the Gigabyte Geforce GTX 560 GPU any good?

The Kingston HyperX 8GB 1600MHz deal? Looks pretty good to me.

And maybe is there any good deal on a SSD. Looking for probably around 80-120gb. Also maybe a case.

Thanks!


For $25, it's not bad. Keep in mind that it is 1600MHz at 1.65v which is less desirable than 1.5v.

A GTX 560 for $150 after mail in rebate isn't anything amazing.

Corsair Carbide 500R is a decent deal and Antec Three Hundred for $35 is also decent for budget builds.

Well the company that I work for subsidizes half of the cost, so it doesn't really matter to me tbh.
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
November 18 2011 04:38 GMT
#14846
I would not spend $200 on a HDD even with the supply issues.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
iG_XxVeZZxX
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-18 04:51:30
November 18 2011 04:43 GMT
#14847
iG_XxVeZZxX
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9 Posts
November 18 2011 04:45 GMT
#14848
I changed the HDD out for a 500gb caviar black as apposed to the 1TB caviar black and saved $100 bucks
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 18 2011 04:52 GMT
#14849
On November 18 2011 13:24 iG_XxVeZZxX wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
This is the build that I had in mind for my next computer. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated so that I can have the best build I can for under $1000 dollars. Eventually I would like to run SLI but just one gfx card for now. Also I will be dual monitoring. I do some work in maya and zbrush but not a lot. I would like it to be able to stream in 1080p. I mostly play LoL, Skyrim, Sc2, BF3, and Crysis 2.

What is a good SSD? im thinking i need no more than 64gigs.


GPU- MSI N560GTX-TI Twin Frozr II/OC GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB
256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127565
$244.99

MoBo- MSI P67A-G43 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130583
$114.99

- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130574
$159.99

CPU- Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost)
LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623I52500K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072
$180-214.99

RAM- Kingston HyperX Grey Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM
DDR3 1600 Desktop Memory Model KHX1600C9D3X2K2/8GX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104239
$49.99

PSU- CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V v2.2 SLI Certified CrossFire
Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006
$129.99

HDD- Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache
SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284
$209.00


Bad build.

TX750v2 is better in every regard than the original TX750. 750w is overkill for a SLI GTX 560 Ti and 2500k configuration. 650w variant will be adequate.

HyperX is 1.65v, you'll want 1.5v memory.

You shouldn't be paying for a Caviar Black right now even if you wanted the five year warranty provided by it, paying a $60 premium for two extra years of warranty is pretty stupid. If you're getting a SSD and want a 7200 RPM HDD, you'll want a Caviar Blue or Seagate Barracuda - 1TB is around $140.

You'll want an aftermarket heatsink.

For SSD, you'll want a Crucial M4.


On November 18 2011 13:36 KoTakUEurO wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On November 18 2011 12:28 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 11:53 KoTakUEurO wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I'm wondering if building from OriginPC is worth the cost vs. building from something like NCIX.
I don't know much about the parts of a PC, so the Origin Big O thing sounds pretty good for me, since they will guide me through the building process.
Do you think that's worth it, or is it much better to build from other stores?
edit: and if I do build from Origin, do you recommend a Big O or Genesis Pro?


If you're going to pour $7500 into a configuration. Please don't be a dumbass and at least get a core i7 3930k and probably quad CrossfireX / SLI. at the bare minimum. I rather pay NCIX to assemble for $50 than pay an American company a $1000 premium on whatever you want to waste your money on.


Well the company that I work for subsidizes half of the cost, so it doesn't really matter to me tbh.


Like I said. If you are going to spend $7500 on a configuration. You'll want a core i7 3930k, ASUS P8P67 Deluxe, ASUS MARS II GTX 580 in SLI or 6990 in Crossfire at the bare minimum. Anything else for $7500, money grows in trees and it doesn't matter how you waste it.
KoTakUEurO
Profile Joined May 2011
605 Posts
November 18 2011 04:55 GMT
#14850
OK so I took the advice from skyR and decided to build from NCIX instead of Origin.
Here's my current config (my company pays for half the cost).

Memory - G.SKILL F3-17000CL11Q-16GBZL Ripjawsz 16GB 4X4GB DDR3-2133 CL11-11-11-30 Sandy Bridge E Memory Kit
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=65665&vpn=F3-17000CL11Q-16GBZL&manufacture=G.Skill

CPU - Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 990X 6 Core LGA1366 Gulftown 3.46GHZ 12MB Processor
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58909&vpn=BX80613i7990X&manufacture=Intel

MB - ASUS Crosshair V Formula AM3+ DDR3 ATX AMD 990FX 4PCI-E16 1PCI CrossFireX 6 SATA 6GB/S Motherboard
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=61991&vpn=CROSSHAIR V FORMULA&manufacture=ASUS

Power - OCZ ZX Series 850W ATX12V 24PIN Active PFC 80 Plus Gold 70A Power Supply 140MM Fan Black
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58861&vpn=OCZ-ZX850W&manufacture=OCZ Technology&promoid=1190

Graphics - MSI GeForce GTX 580 Lightning Xtreme Edition 832MHZ 3GB 4200MHZ GDDR5 PCI-E 2XDVI HDMI DP
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=61543&vpn=N580GTX Lightning Xtreme Edition&manufacture=MSI/MicroStar

HDD - Western Digital WD Caviar Green 3TB SATA3 3.5IN 64MB Cache Intellipower Internal Hard Disk Drive
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=62178&vpn=WD30EZRX&manufacture=Western Digital WD

Case - Silverstone Fortress FT01B ATX Black Aluminum Case
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=33376&vpn=FT01B&manufacture=Silverstone Technology

Any feedback would be appreciated on this. Remember that my company pays for half so it isn't as expensive as it seems :p




skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-18 05:03:20
November 18 2011 05:02 GMT
#14851
AM3+ is for AMD processors.. not Intel.

You also do not want a 990x... you want a 3960x with a X79 motherboard.

You also do not want a 850w power supply. You'll want 1000w or better. Corsair AX1200 comes to mind.

You'll also want a 240gb SSD or whatever such as a Crucial M4 or Intel 510.
KoTakUEurO
Profile Joined May 2011
605 Posts
November 18 2011 05:18 GMT
#14852
oh okay thanks! I really don't know too much about PC parts...
i'll continue looking around tomorrow, thanks for your help! ^^
DeSu
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Australia91 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-18 06:41:58
November 18 2011 06:36 GMT
#14853
Hello,
Following up on all my previous posts. Thanks to help of many of the people on here my final build is looking something like this:

CPU: Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge
RAM: CORSAIR XMS3 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
SSD: Intel 320 Series 120GB SSD
HDD: -(x1) Western Digital Caviar Blue WD10EALX 1TB
-(x2) Western Digital Caviar Green 2TB
Heatsink: Thermalright Silver Arrow CPU Cooler
Motherboard: ASUS P8Z68-V Gen3 Motherboard
GPU: EVGA 01G-P3-1561-AR GeForce GTX 560 Ti
Case: Fractal Design Define R3 Black USB 3.0
PSU: Cooler Master Silent Pro RS-600-AMBA-D3
Firewire Card: SIIG 3 Ports FireWire 800 Model NN-FW0012-S1
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-B123A 12X Blu-ray DVD Combo Drive

Primary Uses:
-Audio work (Ableton Live, hooked up to various things such as as an audio interface, midi controllers, synthesizers)
-Gaming (Metro 2033, Skyrim, Crysis 2, Starcraft 2, Diablo 3)
-Multitasking (E.g. video encoding and gaming)

Infrequently Used for:
-Image editing (Photoshop, Lightroom)
-Video editing (After Effects, Adobe Premiere Pro)

Other requirements/info:
-Must be relatively quiet (but no need for absolute silence)
-Need QuickSync
-Will be using dual screens (but not for anything really intensive like gaming on two screens)
-Upgrade cycle is around 2-3 years
-Budget is $2000-3000 (AUD)

Any final comments before I hit the order button?
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
November 18 2011 08:08 GMT
#14854
Btw, where did Jinglehell go?
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-18 08:44:21
November 18 2011 08:29 GMT
#14855
On November 18 2011 13:55 KoTakUEurO wrote:
OK so I took the advice from skyR and decided to build from NCIX instead of Origin.
Here's my current config (my company pays for half the cost).

Memory - G.SKILL F3-17000CL11Q-16GBZL Ripjawsz 16GB 4X4GB DDR3-2133 CL11-11-11-30 Sandy Bridge E Memory Kit
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=65665&vpn=F3-17000CL11Q-16GBZL&manufacture=G.Skill

CPU - Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 990X 6 Core LGA1366 Gulftown 3.46GHZ 12MB Processor
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58909&vpn=BX80613i7990X&manufacture=Intel

MB - ASUS Crosshair V Formula AM3+ DDR3 ATX AMD 990FX 4PCI-E16 1PCI CrossFireX 6 SATA 6GB/S Motherboard
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=61991&vpn=CROSSHAIR V FORMULA&manufacture=ASUS

Power - OCZ ZX Series 850W ATX12V 24PIN Active PFC 80 Plus Gold 70A Power Supply 140MM Fan Black
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58861&vpn=OCZ-ZX850W&manufacture=OCZ Technology&promoid=1190

Graphics - MSI GeForce GTX 580 Lightning Xtreme Edition 832MHZ 3GB 4200MHZ GDDR5 PCI-E 2XDVI HDMI DP
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=61543&vpn=N580GTX Lightning Xtreme Edition&manufacture=MSI/MicroStar

HDD - Western Digital WD Caviar Green 3TB SATA3 3.5IN 64MB Cache Intellipower Internal Hard Disk Drive
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=62178&vpn=WD30EZRX&manufacture=Western Digital WD

Case - Silverstone Fortress FT01B ATX Black Aluminum Case
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=33376&vpn=FT01B&manufacture=Silverstone Technology

Any feedback would be appreciated on this. Remember that my company pays for half so it isn't as expensive as it seems :p






Whoever is giving you money is making a poor decision. Are you just browsing based on highest price? Please read the OP in this thread since you are so very far away from being knowledgeable that providing you feedback is actually not constructive at all.

I feel like this build is a troll build.

Even if a company is subsidizing your purchase, it makes more sense to a build a system that is in-line with your needs (not to mention actually runs), and your company will thank you for not squandering money left and right. At the moment I feel like I could sit you down in front of an $800 dollar computer and an $8,000 dollar one and you wouldnt be able to tell the difference.

So, what are your needs then?
twitch.tv/medrea
CharlieBrownsc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada598 Posts
November 18 2011 09:03 GMT
#14856
On November 18 2011 17:08 nam nam wrote:
Btw, where did Jinglehell go?


Banned I think
SC2 ID: CharlieBrown.318, #1 bitbybit.Prime fan
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
November 18 2011 09:10 GMT
#14857
On November 18 2011 18:03 CharlieBrownsc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 17:08 nam nam wrote:
Btw, where did Jinglehell go?


Banned I think


Nah he isn't banned.
twitch.tv/medrea
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-18 09:12:24
November 18 2011 09:11 GMT
#14858
I thought I saw a post of his after his ban (unless he got banned again) and then nowhere to be seen. I've read this thread from page 300 and forward and this thread isn't as much fun without him. Maybe he got tired of smacking clueless people around.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
November 18 2011 09:13 GMT
#14859
On November 18 2011 18:11 nam nam wrote:
I thought I saw a post of his after his ban (unless he got banned again) and then nowhere to be seen. I've read this thread from page 300 and forward and this thread isn't as much fun without him. Maybe he got tired of smacking clueless people around.


He was PMing me not too long ago so I know he is around somewhere.

Don't worry the good kind of PM, we are of similar mind, not the.... the other kind.
twitch.tv/medrea
wattabeast
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States957 Posts
November 18 2011 11:18 GMT
#14860
On November 18 2011 13:22 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 13:02 wattabeast wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I am going to build myself a computer for a birthday present to myself :D but the problem is that I have little knowledge about the parts, as in what are the best/most cost efficient parts. basically here is what I need:
everything but a mouse haha. I need all the parts for the computer, a monitor, and a keyboard.(I can get an extra copy of windows 7) I currently am on an old laptop and want to be able to play sc2 at a higher quality, as well as not have random freezes while playing on low quality. Also overall just want a better computer service. Money i'd be willing to spend: ~800$ or so, but that includes cheap keyboard and cheap monitor, as I feel as if the actual computer hardware is more important. I do not need to spend that much money, but around there is what I'd be willing to spend (give or take 100 dollars or so). Now, If there are deals on NewEgg (the website I plan to use to purchase everything) on cyber monday and black friday, that'd be awesome, so maybe for each option possibly slightly more expensive, better alternatives in case there are deals. Thanks so much to everyone who responds in advance! please PM me the details as well as post here if you don't mind, because tomorrow until sunday afternoon I'll be at MLG!! Thanks everyone in advance; hope I'm not asking for too much work haha!
EDIT: oh and I plan on upgrading it fairly slowly (probably 3 years or so) and it would be nice to be able to stream, but not super duper important. Thanks again


This is a list of what you want if you want to be able to stream and play games on reasonably high settings:

  • Core i5 2300 / 2310 / 2320 / 2400 / 2500 / 2500k - ~$190
  • H61 / H67 / P67 / Z68 motherboard - ~$70
  • 2x4GB 1333MHz memory - ~$35
  • Radeon HD6850 / HD6870 - ~$150
  • Corsair CX430 V2 / Antec Earthwatts 380D or 430D / Antec Neo Eco 400C - ~$40
  • any case - ~$40
  • some DVD drive or burner - ~$15
  • some overpriced 500gb 7200RPM HDD (Western Digital Caviar Blue, Seagate Barracuda) - ~$100
  • 1080p monitor - ~$100


Components are listed from worse to best if you didn't figure that out so pay accordingly.

does that build work together since isn't the Raedon AMD and the i5 is intel, so from what I thought I knew it had to be all one or the other? (I'm probably wrong) Thanks. Also some specifics would be awsome
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