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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
October 18 2011 00:05 GMT
#13321
Link doesn't work, just says product has been deactivated. Maybe post the specs?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 18 2011 00:06 GMT
#13322
The one you linked costs $500 more so obviously it's better. It has a GTX 570 as opposed to the GTX 560 Ti and a core i7 2600k instead of a core i5 2500k.

The core i7 2600k's major benefit is hyperthreading which is basically useless for gaming since games don't utilize that many threads.

The configuration I recommended has a SSD (which is much faster than HDDs in RAID 0), the one you linked doesn't.

If you really want to waste the leftover $500 for minimal gains than you're welcome to do that by getting a core i7 2600k, get a GTX 570 or maybe switch some parts around for a GTX 560 Ti SLI configuration. It's still going to end up being less expensive than that Cyberpower...
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-18 00:25:10
October 18 2011 00:24 GMT
#13323
SkyR, Newegg indeed allows pickups at their warehouses.

http://promotions.newegg.com/NEPro/11-1312/index.html
Dannnnn_The_Man
Profile Joined April 2011
United States166 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-18 00:56:19
October 18 2011 00:55 GMT
#13324
On October 18 2011 08:54 NRG wrote:
Sorry for asking a lot, like I said i'm not very good at these kinds of things.



Ya, i didnt know what the psu was at first lol. Don't worry, take like 3 hours of your day find some youtube video on how to assemble, put it on a laptop (if you have one). This is what i did.

Just remember to put your motherboard in first.

(probably want to put your processor in the motherboard before putting the mobo in the case)

If i lived near you, id love to come help but ya=p

If you have any questions while your building your rig feel free to message me and i'll help you to the best of my ability.
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 18 2011 00:56 GMT
#13325
Only their Cali warehouse.
NRG
Profile Joined August 2010
United States26 Posts
October 18 2011 01:00 GMT
#13326
Just a few questions. The power supply is only 520W? Because I had to get a new power supply when I got my graphics card awile back (Gforce 9800gt) and it was a pain in the butt. Also what is Crucial M4 64GB?
MacroVsMicro-LoL name
Dannnnn_The_Man
Profile Joined April 2011
United States166 Posts
October 18 2011 01:04 GMT
#13327
On October 18 2011 10:00 NRG wrote:
Just a few questions. The power supply is only 520W? Because I had to get a new power supply when I got my graphics card awile back (Gforce 9800gt) and it was a pain in the butt. Also what is Crucial M4 64GB?


520w should suite you im pretty sure.

the crucial m4 64gb is a Soild State Drive (SSD). SSDs are typically less susceptible to physical shock, are silent, have lower access time and latency, but are more expensive per gigabyte (GB). you'll want to install your windows on this (which is easy to do). This will make your windows faster than if it was installed on your Harddrive.
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 18 2011 01:07 GMT
#13328
The Antec Neo Eco is based off the Seasonic S12II platform which is very good and provides 40a on the 12v rail which is plentiful for an overclocked 2500k which consumes like 5a under load and a GTX 560 Ti which consumes like 13a under load.

Wattage means nothing on a power supply. The power supply you bought is probably garbage (if not, I guess you can re-use it) and the power supply that was in your prebuilt is probably worse than garbage, not having the majority of its power on the 12v rail or it's just bad and doesn't provide advertised power.
Dannnnn_The_Man
Profile Joined April 2011
United States166 Posts
October 18 2011 01:10 GMT
#13329
wait, do you alerady have a 520w psu? or are you going to get a 520w psu?
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
NRG
Profile Joined August 2010
United States26 Posts
October 18 2011 01:13 GMT
#13330
I don't know....lol.....Also can I change the case =D There is this case I really like and also is there a better graphics card I should get because I would like stronger card.
MacroVsMicro-LoL name
Dannnnn_The_Man
Profile Joined April 2011
United States166 Posts
October 18 2011 01:17 GMT
#13331
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130622
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130590

take your pick. With a gtx 560 ti you will be able to run battlefield 3 on high.

what case you looking at?
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-18 01:55:38
October 18 2011 01:29 GMT
#13332
On October 18 2011 10:13 NRG wrote:
I don't know....lol.....Also can I change the case =D There is this case I really like and also is there a better graphics card I should get because I would like stronger card.


I just hope you realize there are very diminishing returns in terms of increased performance to $ amount. The GTX 570 isn't that much better than the GTX 560ti, but costs considerably more.


On October 18 2011 09:56 skyR wrote:
Only their Cali warehouse.


Oh, well I live in SoCal so guess I never noticed it wasn't applicable elsewhere.

To NRG, if you want a prebuilt that badly and want the cyberbuy PC, I went to their website and found a more suitable option for you than that prebuilt. If you want you can upgrade from a 560ti to a 570 for another $86 but I don't think it's worth it whatsoever. It's under $1,000.
+ Show Spoiler +

"Case: Thermaltake Commander Mid-Tower Gaming Case [-15]
Laser Engraving: NONE
Laser Engraving Message:
Internal USB Extension Module: None
Neon Light Upgrade: None
Extra Case Fan Upgrade: Default case fans
Noise Reduction Technology: None
CPU: Intel® Core™ i5-2500K 3.30 GHz 6M Intel Smart Cache LGA1155 (All Venom OC Certified)
Venom Boost Fast And Efficient Factory Overclocking: No Overclocking
Cooling Fan: Asetek 510LC Liquid Cooling System 120MM Radiator & Fan (Enhanced Cooling Performance + Extreme Silent at 20dBA) (Single Standard 120MM Fan)
Coolant for Cyberpower Xtreme Hydro Water Cooling Kits: Standard Coolant
Motherboard: [CrossFireX] MSI Z68A-G43 (B3) Intel Z68 Chipset DDR3 ATX Mainboard w/ Lucid Virtu + Intel Smart Response Technology, OC Genie II, Winki 3 & 7.1 Audio, GbLAN, USB3.0, SATA-III RAID, 2 Gen2 PCIe & 2 PCIe X2 (All Venom OC Certified)
Intel Smart Response Technology for Z68: None
Memory: 4GB (2GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory Module [-37] (Corsair or Major Brand)
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1GB 16X PCIe Video Card [+197] (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
Freebies: FREE Game - Dungeon Siege 3
FREE Just Cause 2 Game Coupon
FREE Game Coupon Batman: Arkham City
Video Card 2: None
Video Card 3: None
Power Supply Upgrade: 650 Watts - Corsair CMPSU-650TXV2 80 Plus Power Supply - Quad SLI Ready [+77]
Hard Drive: 1TB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 32MB Cache 7200RPM HDD (Single Hard Drive)
Freebies: None
Data Hard Drive: None
Hard Drive Cooling Fan: None
External Hard Drive (USB3.0/2.0/eSATA): None
USB Flash Drive: None
Optical Drive: 24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive (BLACK COLOR)
Optical Drive 2: None
Sound: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
3D Vision Glasses: None
LCD Monitor: None
2nd Monitor: None
3rd Monitor: None
Speakers: None
Network: Onboard Gigabit LAN Network
Network Switch: None
Keyboard: Xtreme Gear (Black Color) Multimedia/Internet USB Keyboard
Mouse: XtremeGear Optical USB 3 Buttons Gaming Mouse
Freebies: None
Mouse Pad: None
Gaming Gear: None
Extra Thermal Display: None
Wireless 802.11B/G Network Card: None
External Wireless Network Card: None
Wireless 802.11 B/G/N Access Point: None
Bluetooth: None
Flash Media Reader/Writer: None [-3]
Video Camera: None
Headset: None
Printer: None
Cable: None
Power Protection: None
Surge Protector: None
IEEE1394 Card: None
Internal USB Port: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
USB Port: None
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows 7 Home Premium [+104] (64-bit Edition)
Media Center Remote Control & TV Tuner: None
Office Suite: None
Games: None
Ultra Care Option: None
Service: STANDARD WARRANTY: 3-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY PLUS LIFE-TIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT
Rush Service: NO; READY TO SHIP IN 5~10 BUSINESS DAYS"


In short, under that mess of a copy and paste....

It's an i5 2500k, MSI Z68A-G43 (B3), GTX 560ti, Corsair 650TX, 1TB 7200RPM HDD, 8GB DDR3 1600 RAM, Thermaltake Commander Mid-Tower Gaming Case (essentially their cheapest case, to be fair I don't know how good it is), standard optical drive.

Things it cuts from your prebuilt that's $500 more - i5 instead of i7 (will provide identical performance for gaming), GTX 560ti (GTX 570 simply isn't a good deal), better PSU despite lower wattage most likely (which is why it costs like $60 more, but feel free to get a shitty one that they offer "standard"), single hard drive instead of a RAID 0 configuration, but if you're looking for speed you should go with a SSD anyways. The only part that will hinder your actual gaming performance is the GPU, and that's an $86 difference for their site, not a $500 difference.

Build it yourself and you'll save even more.

i5 2500k ~ $180 at microcenter, $205 elsewhere. Suitable motherboard for $110, GTX 560ti for $220 ($200 AR), the Corsair 650TX is about $60, but you can utilize a cheaper $50 PSU, $40 for RAM, $20 optical drive, $100 windows, $50 case, $40 HDD. Saves you about $100, $120 AR, $145 if you use microcenter.

Markups aren't quite as much as I thought at cyberpowerpc in retrospect, still though.
Dannnnn_The_Man
Profile Joined April 2011
United States166 Posts
October 18 2011 02:00 GMT
#13333
NRG, are you a student by any chance?
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
NRG
Profile Joined August 2010
United States26 Posts
October 18 2011 02:06 GMT
#13334
Also I've always wondered this but, why do people perfer radeon over nvidia?
MacroVsMicro-LoL name
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 18 2011 02:09 GMT
#13335
People prefer the cards that have the better performance per dollar.
NRG
Profile Joined August 2010
United States26 Posts
October 18 2011 02:11 GMT
#13336
Yes I am a student, why do you ask.
MacroVsMicro-LoL name
Dannnnn_The_Man
Profile Joined April 2011
United States166 Posts
October 18 2011 02:16 GMT
#13337
students with an .edu email can get windows 7 for free.
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 18 2011 02:18 GMT
#13338
No they can't... only certain faculties offer MSDNAA software for free.
Dannnnn_The_Man
Profile Joined April 2011
United States166 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-18 02:24:02
October 18 2011 02:19 GMT
#13339
I thought as long as you had an .edu email?

O yes, you are right skyr, but its worth a shot seeing if he can get it.
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
kef
Profile Joined September 2010
283 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-18 02:43:58
October 18 2011 02:37 GMT
#13340
On October 17 2011 22:59 Molybdenum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 15:21 kef wrote:
So I basically scrapped the build I had earlier and tried to come up with one myself, managed to keep it below $700 (minus monitor/keyboard/mouse)

+ Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?

Preferably less than or right at $700

What is your resolution?

Probably 1280x1024 but will want to go up to 1680x1050

What are you using it for?

Gaming and basic every day school stuff (Word, excel, etc)

What is your upgrade cycle?

I'd say probably 2 years

When do you plan on building it?

By mid-december

Do you plan on overclocking?

Most likely no, and if so not for a while

Do you need an Operating System?

I can get Windows 7 pretty cheap from my university

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

Most likely no

Where are you buying your parts from?

Online; I've been looking on tigerdirect and Newegg and frankly have found better deals on tigerdirect



Case
-Cooler Master HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Mid-Tower Computer Case - ATX, mATX ($60US, $50 with rebate)

PSU
-Cooler Master eXtreme Power Plus 500-Watt Power Supply ($45)

DVD
-Asus DRW-24B1ST 24X Internal DVD Burner ($20, originally was $25 but on sale)

RAM
-Corsair CMX8GX3M2A1333C9 XMS 8GB DDR3 RAM - PC10666, 1333MHz, 2x 4GB ($55)

Hard Drive
-Hitachi 0F10383 Deskstar 7K1000.C Hard Drive - 1TB, 3.5", 7200 RPM, SATA 3G, 32MB ($55)

GPU
-Gigabyte GV-R685OC-1GD Radeon HD 6850 Video Card - 1GB, GDDR5, PCI-Express 2.1, DVI, HDMI, DirectX 11 ($175, $155 with rebate)

Mobo
-MSI H67MS-E33 (B3) Intel H67 Motherboard - Micro ATX, Socket H2 (LGA1155), Intel H67 Express, 1333MHz-DDR3, SATA 6.0 Gb/s, RAID, 8-CH Audio, Gigabit LAN, USB 2.0 ($90)

Processor
-Intel Core i5-2400 BX80623I52400 Processor - Quad Core, 6MB L3 Cache, 1MB L2 Cache, 3.10 GHz (3.40 GHz Max Turbo), Socket H2 (LGA1155), 95W, Fan, Retail ($190)

Total cost: $690, $660 with rebates

I had a friend answer a few of the questions I had regarding some of the equipment but he didn't get a chance to look at everything once I had finished. After Skyr's recommendations I went with the H67 mobo and my friend really recommended the i5 2400 for gaming. My friend recommended hitachi for hard drives and cooler master for cases, and I went with the HAF 912 case because it had more fans/better airflow and was easier to access than the RC-310, although if you guys recommend I just go with the RC-310 that's fine.

Anyways like I said my friend didn't get to double check everything before he left so if you guys see any problems with this or have any suggestions for better/cheaper parts please let me know.


Where are you buying from? If you're in the US/Canada, you should be able to save $15 on RAM and get a cheaper mobo too. Why are you paying $90 for an H67 board? You might be able to find a cheaper graphics card too, I think the 6870s have started to come down to the price you listed. The PSU might not be so hot, some of the cooler master PSUs are iffy, but Myrmidon would know better.


Edit: I'm buying online, mostly from tigerdirect and some from newegg.

Yeah after looking around I found an h67 by biostar for $60 that got good reviews (Mobo)

I also found 8gb (2x4) ram for $45. I couldn't find anything in stock for less than that, although I can probably just wait till they come back in stock. (RAM)

For the GPU you recommended a 6870, do you think this would be a good choice?

@myrmidon Do you have any recommendations for PSU's? I really have no idea what brands are good. Also, do I need 500W or can I get away with less?
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