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On October 05 2011 14:55 MisterFred wrote:
@furlyman
You'll want to use a different component for basically every one of those selections.
On that budget (actually smaller) you'll want an i5-2500k, a cheaper ~$100-130 P67 or Z68 motherboard (ask here when you're ready to buy, these guys are experts), a 560Ti graphics card (better price performance than either you listed & more than enough for a 1920x1080 resolution - if you have a lower resolution get a cheaper card). You'll want cheaper (basically the cheapest 2x4gb 1333 ram, 1600 if you want to blow money for tiny tiny gains). I've heard people say the 912 is better than the 922 if you're looking at that line of cases. Apparently a newer design. Your power supply is also way overkill (again, ask on this forum when you're about ready to buy).
You'll save some hundreds of dollars with a configuration the experts here can put together, but don't ask for specific details until you're ready to buy - then people will be happy at your courtesy and probably find the good deals for you. There's not much we can do now other than tell you your build sucks or give you a generic list like the above. When you're ready to buy return and fill out the OP questionnaire. Then if you want you can spend more on goodies like an SSD (I've heard WoW in particular can benefit from them).
Edit: from your second post there are some basics you need to know. First:there's no reason to buy things you'll never need. Take, for example, motherboards. What do they do? They make other components work. Basically the only difference between them is how well they overclock processors, and what you can stick on them (number of ram slots, number of USB slots, etc). You can hear all you want about 'how well that processor works with that motherboard' but it's pretty useless. All of them are designed for the chips that fit in them. You need a motherboard that can fit the stuff you want to stick in it, and you can ask here to find out if they're decent at overclocking. Paying more for other things is just dumb. Second: you'll look less ungrateful if you accept good advice. The only benefit to i7 over i5 is hyperthreading. Do you know if you need hypterthreading? If not, tell people here what you want to do and they'll tell you if you need it. If you're going to ignore advice and get something else (this does not affect motherboard choice), keep it to yourself.
Thanks for the response, I did not mean to sound ungrateful of the advice at all. I have never built a computer before this is just what I came up with after a few hours of research in the last few days and my technical knowledge of computers is very low. My main goal is to build a computer for around 1200 dollars that will allow me to play new and upcoming games at high settings (D3, BF3, SC2, ect)..I considered just buying a computer from a site like cyberpower but I was told that it would just be a huge waste of money. I do not want to waste money but rather maximize the potential of my computer for the amount of money I am going to spend. I will try to come up with a new build for around that price range before I post again and hopefully I wont be so terribly far off this time =) Thanks
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On October 05 2011 15:11 furlyman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 14:55 MisterFred wrote:
@furlyman
You'll want to use a different component for basically every one of those selections.
On that budget (actually smaller) you'll want an i5-2500k, a cheaper ~$100-130 P67 or Z68 motherboard (ask here when you're ready to buy, these guys are experts), a 560Ti graphics card (better price performance than either you listed & more than enough for a 1920x1080 resolution - if you have a lower resolution get a cheaper card). You'll want cheaper (basically the cheapest 2x4gb 1333 ram, 1600 if you want to blow money for tiny tiny gains). I've heard people say the 912 is better than the 922 if you're looking at that line of cases. Apparently a newer design. Your power supply is also way overkill (again, ask on this forum when you're about ready to buy).
You'll save some hundreds of dollars with a configuration the experts here can put together, but don't ask for specific details until you're ready to buy - then people will be happy at your courtesy and probably find the good deals for you. There's not much we can do now other than tell you your build sucks or give you a generic list like the above. When you're ready to buy return and fill out the OP questionnaire. Then if you want you can spend more on goodies like an SSD (I've heard WoW in particular can benefit from them).
Edit: from your second post there are some basics you need to know. First:there's no reason to buy things you'll never need. Take, for example, motherboards. What do they do? They make other components work. Basically the only difference between them is how well they overclock processors, and what you can stick on them (number of ram slots, number of USB slots, etc). You can hear all you want about 'how well that processor works with that motherboard' but it's pretty useless. All of them are designed for the chips that fit in them. You need a motherboard that can fit the stuff you want to stick in it, and you can ask here to find out if they're decent at overclocking. Paying more for other things is just dumb. Second: you'll look less ungrateful if you accept good advice. The only benefit to i7 over i5 is hyperthreading. Do you know if you need hypterthreading? If not, tell people here what you want to do and they'll tell you if you need it. If you're going to ignore advice and get something else (this does not affect motherboard choice), keep it to yourself. Thanks for the response, I did not mean to sound ungrateful of the advice at all. I have never built a computer before this is just what I came up with after a few hours of research in the last few days and my technical knowledge of computers is very low. My main goal is to build a computer for around 1200 dollars that will allow me to play new and upcoming games at high settings (D3, BF3, SC2, ect)..I considered just buying a computer from a site like cyberpower but I was told that it would just be a huge waste of money. I do not want to waste money but rather maximize the potential of my computer for the amount of money I am going to spend. I will try to come up with a new build for around that price range before I post again and hopefully I wont be so terribly far off this time =) Thanks
Well sounds like you are on the right track. Purchasing a premade is a fast track to wasted money and an awful computer. Be careful though, because 1200 is entering enthusiastville, but not enough to actually call yourself an enthusiast.
Sometimes throwing more money into a computer doesn't actually improve the product any. If that makes sense? Often people spend money on fluff perks because they didn't spend enough money to make it into the next tier of gaming.
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On October 05 2011 14:54 Sparkle Motion wrote:
Hey guys,
I'm a first-year architecture student in need of a laptop, and there's a mandatory minimum specs sheet for it. I know it'll run me a lot of money, but I'm trying to figure out how to get the cheapest price.
Minimum specs:
-Core i7 2nd Gen 2.2 GHz
-8GB RAM
-500GB HDD (but i'm going to need more space)
-1GB Discrete Graphics
-1920x1080 Resolution
Also I'd prefer a 15" over a 17" since i'm going to have to lug it around a lot.
Thanks!
if you absolutly need a laptop, heres a good one for you with those specs
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834230099
theres one 100$ cheaper but with only a gt540m, dunno if 1gb discrete means like any one but for you to see, the gtx560m is much better
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Hey, could someone help me suggest a good work laptop for my dad or help convince him for a desktop? -_- He's very guillible and loves wasting money on useless things, right now he's dead set on getting this:
http://cdon.fi/kotielektroniikka/asus_g74sx-tz099v_intel_core_i7-2630qm_8gb__750gb__blu-ray_17.3_w7pm_geforce_gtx560m_3gb-14686424
Because "he might play some games sometime and it has amazing cooling" when to me the cooling looks like shit. He also won't get a desktop because "It's too complicated and then you need to get a screen(although he already has 3 screens) and you need to get protection from electric surges or it might shut down and then you'll have 10 items on your desk" and this was my suggestion to him if he really needs something highpowered:
http://www.jimms.fi/tuoteinfo/N73SV-V1G-TZ489V?pid=1317836690049
And he said that he might want to burn Blu-Ray sometimes and you can't ever upgrade a laptop so you need to get a super good one and that it doesn't have as good integrated audio in it and the other laptop has better cooling WHEN THE ONLY COOLING IT HAS IS LEFT BACK EXHAUST FAN ACTING AS INTAKE AND RIGHT BACK EXHAUST FAN ACTING AS EXHAUST WHICH IS THE SHITTIEST COOLING SOLUTION I'VE SEEN.
Is he beyond all hope? Btw he wants the operating system to be in Finnish or English so he won't order from germany etc.
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You can burn Blu-Ray with an external drive connected via USB (granted, at the moment, such external Blu-Ray writers are pretty expensive). But does that laptop even burn Blu-Ray, or just play it? Nowadays I'm not convinced of the necessity of an internal optical drive for laptops since people hardly use discs, and when they do, an external drive would suffice.
And does anybody expect any laptop's integrated audio to be great? Likewise this is heading down the "10 items on your desk" path, but if you want something good for some reason, you get an external sound card of some kind. Anyway, how do you even expect or judge that one onboard audio implementation on one laptop is better than another, without testing it? edit: anyway, seems suspicious to suspect that one laptop's onboard audio will be sufficiently good while another one will not (it's possible, but you'd have to guess blindly which is which)
It's hard to comment on cooling without testing it or at least getting a much better idea of the layout, heatsinks, fan specs, etc. which I'm sure you don't know.
To me, "work laptop" and discrete non-workstation graphics card don't really go together, so I'm kind of confused what specs are required. Work laptop for what kind of work? Also to play games?
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On October 06 2011 08:26 Myrmidon wrote:
You can burn Blu-Ray with an external drive connected via USB (granted, at the moment, such external Blu-Ray writers are pretty expensive). But does that laptop even burn Blu-Ray, or just play it? Nowadays I'm not convinced of the necessity of an internal optical drive for laptops since people hardly use discs, and when they do, an external drive would suffice.
And does anybody expect any laptop's integrated audio to be great? Likewise this is heading down the "10 items on your desk" path, but if you want something good for some reason, you get an external sound card of some kind. Anyway, how do you even expect or judge that one onboard audio implementation on one laptop is better than another, without testing it? edit: anyway, seems suspicious to suspect that one laptop's onboard audio will be sufficiently good while another one will not (it's possible, but you'd have to guess blindly which is which)
It's hard to comment on cooling without testing it or at least getting a much better idea of the layout, heatsinks, fan specs, etc. which I'm sure you don't know.
To me, "work laptop" and discrete non-workstation graphics card don't really go together, so I'm kind of confused what specs are required. Work laptop for what kind of work? Also to play games?
He owns a company that does bookkeeping or whatever it's called, calculates people's salaries and the.. "financial statement", "annual account" whatever I don't know the english name... anyway excel and relatively heavy math stuff.
Yeah I'm not sure what he's on about :/ I guess I'm just wondering if the laptop I linked for a thousand would be a good one? I know a desktop would probably be better but he has a point as he has like 5 different old computers and a similiar amount of screens clogging up space.
On October 05 2011 15:11 furlyman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 14:55 MisterFred wrote:
@furlyman
You'll want to use a different component for basically every one of those selections.
On that budget (actually smaller) you'll want an i5-2500k, a cheaper ~$100-130 P67 or Z68 motherboard (ask here when you're ready to buy, these guys are experts), a 560Ti graphics card (better price performance than either you listed & more than enough for a 1920x1080 resolution - if you have a lower resolution get a cheaper card). You'll want cheaper (basically the cheapest 2x4gb 1333 ram, 1600 if you want to blow money for tiny tiny gains). I've heard people say the 912 is better than the 922 if you're looking at that line of cases. Apparently a newer design. Your power supply is also way overkill (again, ask on this forum when you're about ready to buy).
You'll save some hundreds of dollars with a configuration the experts here can put together, but don't ask for specific details until you're ready to buy - then people will be happy at your courtesy and probably find the good deals for you. There's not much we can do now other than tell you your build sucks or give you a generic list like the above. When you're ready to buy return and fill out the OP questionnaire. Then if you want you can spend more on goodies like an SSD (I've heard WoW in particular can benefit from them).
Edit: from your second post there are some basics you need to know. First:there's no reason to buy things you'll never need. Take, for example, motherboards. What do they do? They make other components work. Basically the only difference between them is how well they overclock processors, and what you can stick on them (number of ram slots, number of USB slots, etc). You can hear all you want about 'how well that processor works with that motherboard' but it's pretty useless. All of them are designed for the chips that fit in them. You need a motherboard that can fit the stuff you want to stick in it, and you can ask here to find out if they're decent at overclocking. Paying more for other things is just dumb. Second: you'll look less ungrateful if you accept good advice. The only benefit to i7 over i5 is hyperthreading. Do you know if you need hypterthreading? If not, tell people here what you want to do and they'll tell you if you need it. If you're going to ignore advice and get something else (this does not affect motherboard choice), keep it to yourself. Thanks for the response, I did not mean to sound ungrateful of the advice at all. I have never built a computer before this is just what I came up with after a few hours of research in the last few days and my technical knowledge of computers is very low. My main goal is to build a computer for around 1200 dollars that will allow me to play new and upcoming games at high settings (D3, BF3, SC2, ect)..I considered just buying a computer from a site like cyberpower but I was told that it would just be a huge waste of money. I do not want to waste money but rather maximize the potential of my computer for the amount of money I am going to spend. I will try to come up with a new build for around that price range before I post again and hopefully I wont be so terribly far off this time =) Thanks
Hi, you could take a look at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=271861
I'll update it with the optional things when I feel like it.
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How well can this laptop stream at? Dorm internet speeds mean internet is not a problem.
AMD A6-3400M APU with Radeon HD Graphics (4 CPUs) ~ 1.4 GHz / 2.3 GHz turboboost
ATI Radeon HD 6720 G2 1GB
4 GB RAM
Windows 7 64-bit
360p?
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On October 06 2011 12:04 Superiorwolf wrote:
How well can this laptop stream at? Dorm internet speeds mean internet is not a problem.
AMD A6-3400M APU with Radeon HD Graphics (4 CPUs) ~ 1.4 GHz / 2.3 GHz turboboost
ATI Radeon HD 6720 G2 1GB
4 GB RAM
Windows 7 64-bit
360p?
I assume you mean watching streams in 360p, yes? You're using asymmetric crossfirex, meaning your CPU's IGP is being used in conjunction with a joke pretending to be a discrete GPU to sort of provide graphics performance. Since SC2 uses 2 cores without taking IGP into consideration, and streaming is CPU intense... no.
The only thing Llano is good for is ok-ish mobile gaming via IGP. Budget gaming-ish laptops. Streaming off them is just not going to happen without a discrete GPU, which kills the point of Llano.
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I can watch streams in 1080p but I tried streaming myself yesterday and I could get a decent stream for a resolution of 640x360 but I don't know what p that corresponds to. Also I don't know if I installed the drivers correctly. For example when I go to dxdiag it says Graphics AMD Radeon 6500M Series not 6700 Series. Also does the processor automatically turbo boost to 2.3 GHz? I heard some people saying that they had to overclock it themselves so I was wondering about that. They downloaded some new chipset or something and overclocked processor and could run BF3 on low settings 25-40 fps while I'm only getting like 10 fps ;/
This guy apparently overlockced processor to 3 GHz, how?! http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus/608772-k53ta-bbr6-cooling-mods.html
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hey guys, I'm looking for a new video card.
I need to know what kind of video card would be best "bang for buck" with high enough horse power to run games coming out this winter.
I am debating to buy gtx 460 or 560ti.
I need to know if getting 560ti will be worth it. what would be the correct choice here?
Thanks in advance,
P.S - My current cpu is 13-2100
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Your GPU is a 6500M series, the 6720 is what they call the asymmetric crossfire arrangement.
If you don't know how to OC, don't even consider trying it on a laptop. Ever.
On October 06 2011 12:22 strikerz200 wrote:
hey guys, I'm looking for a new video card.
I need to know what kind of video card would be best "bang for buck" with high enough horse power to run games coming out this winter.
I am debating to buy gtx 460 or 560ti.
I need to know if getting 560ti will be worth it. what would be the correct choice here?
Thanks in advance,
P.S - My current cpu is 13-2100
At current prices, technically the 460 is better bang for the buck, but the 560Ti is a better card all around in a very reasonable price/performance bracket. Frankly, if you want DX11 on a single card, 1080p+, with any kind of AA/AF, 460 isn't going to manage well unless you wait 3-4 months after release for drivers. 560Ti might at release, since it OCs better.
That said, the 460 is still an awesome card with amazing price/performance and truly excellent OC potential, and if you don't care about maxing AA and AF (most don't and shouldn't), 460 should be plenty if the money is tight.
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Ok thanks for the advice. Does it automatically turbo boost to 2.3 GHz then? I get lag late game in SC2 and it's a bit hard to play with
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On October 06 2011 12:24 Superiorwolf wrote:
Ok thanks for the advice. Does it automatically turbo boost to 2.3 GHz then? I get lag late game in SC2 and it's a bit hard to play with
It should automatically turbo. The problem is, the integrated graphics being good is the only real noteworth thing about the Llano APU's. By CPU standards, with CPU being important for SC2, the higher end desktop ones are mediocre at best.
For less CPU dependent games, (not BF3 or SC2) you should get decent framerates at low-mid at lower resolutions.
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Is 550Watt Neon He, enough to power I3-2100 and GFX 560 TI ?
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Most GPU heatsinks these days consists of two fans so this shouldn't be a shock. There is little reason to get ASUS's DirectCu II when MSI's Twin Frozr II and Gigabyte's Windforce are both just as good as if not better and can be had for $240 or less.
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zz they dont hvae that in stock where I live
anything else?
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