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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
galtdunn
Profile Joined March 2011
United States977 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-09 17:15:48
September 09 2011 17:14 GMT
#10961
On September 10 2011 02:13 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2011 02:12 galtdunn wrote:
Could you please just answer the question? To me a burner would only let you burn/copy things whilst a driver lets you watch movies/read disks. Is that correct?
I just don't want to find out that one of them does both after I buy one.


A burner can access the media, as well as record to blank media.

A drive can only access the media.

In this case, access means read/watch/listen/explore, media means "the little shiney thing you put inside" and record means put stuff on the shiney thing from your computer.

So I want a burner because it does both functions: reads and writes. Easy enough. Thank you. Why are people BMing all of the sudden? gah... frustrating.
Currently editing items in the DotA 2 wiki. PM for questions/suggestions.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-09 17:18:26
September 09 2011 17:18 GMT
#10962
Probably because you're the one initiating rudeness by asking people to answer the same questions a dozen times in a row (intentional exaggeration). That has a tendency to make people get a little short, particularly when the answer is the sort of thing the average 8 year old knows.

Seriously though, in your case, I'm starting to think a prebuilt PC is a good idea.
galtdunn
Profile Joined March 2011
United States977 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-09 17:28:05
September 09 2011 17:22 GMT
#10963
Just because I've never had any reason to know what the difference between a blu ray burner and driver does not mean i'm an incompetent ass. And people responding with snide/arrogant responses instead of simple answers is not making it easier on anyone. Like I posted before, I'm here because I need help. And I've learned quite a lot the past couple days, although I'm sorry if I seem to repeat questions. That means I didn't understand it the first time around.
Currently editing items in the DotA 2 wiki. PM for questions/suggestions.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 09 2011 17:27 GMT
#10964
Oh, no, snide and arrogant this isn't. This is genuine concern. Snide and arrogant out of me is nasty, and not subtle. You get an answer aimed at the level of tech knowledge inherent in the question, that's all.

If you ask something that gives the impression of knowing next to nothing, or not being capable of comprehending the answers you got, the repeat answer gets dumbed down. That's just common sense.
galtdunn
Profile Joined March 2011
United States977 Posts
September 09 2011 17:29 GMT
#10965
Alright fine, so the question wasn't as advanced as could be. It was just something I didn't know. Learn something new everyday... right?
Currently editing items in the DotA 2 wiki. PM for questions/suggestions.
Molybdenum
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States358 Posts
September 09 2011 17:39 GMT
#10966
On September 10 2011 01:21 buddylee wrote:
Sup guys, I'm currently playing on a laptop and I can't take it any longer so I am looking to build a computer. I need some help/recommendations.

What is your budget?

$700-800 including a monitor

What is your resolution?

I don't really know what is recommended. I am looking to get a 21" monitor.

What are you using it for?

SC2 and maybe streaming.

What is your upgrade cycle?

3 years

When do you plan on building it?

hopefully in the next couple months

Do you plan on overclocking?

no

Do you need an Operating System?

Yes

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

No

Where are you buying your parts from?

Microcenter, Frys, or newegg.com

Any help/recommendations is greatly appreciated.

Here's a build using the pcpartpicker website to find the best prices, if you don't mind buying from a few different sites because newegg doesn't pricematch (microcenter might, but I don't think they would price match to be even with tax, someone please correct me if I'm wrong)
Things to note: Buy the i5-2400 at microcenter, it's $150. The promocode for the HDD is expired, not sure why it's still coming up.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1apd

i5-2400 $150 at microcenter
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0354590


CPU: Intel Core i5-2400 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($149.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock H61M/U3S3 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Value Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($43.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 6850 1GB Video Card ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 450W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($50.94 @ Wolf Camera)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222AB DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Acer G215HVAbd 21.5" Monitor ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $754.86
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated 2011-09-09 13:37 EDT-0400)
galtdunn
Profile Joined March 2011
United States977 Posts
September 09 2011 18:43 GMT
#10967
Will a 5900RPM HDD run noticably slower than a 7200RPM HDD?
Currently editing items in the DotA 2 wiki. PM for questions/suggestions.
LazyMacro
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
976 Posts
September 09 2011 18:45 GMT
#10968
On September 09 2011 16:31 LazyMacro wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I decided to take a while and do some research as well as figure out what it is I wanted to do. I was getting really indecisive and couldn't even answer the questions from the OP appropriately. I'm a lot more confident in my answers now.

+ Show Spoiler [Questions from the OP] +
What is your budget?
~$1000-1250

What is your resolution?
1920x1080

What are you using it for?
Gaming

What is your upgrade cycle?
2+ years

When do you plan on building it?
Within a week

Do you plan on overclocking?
Yes

Do you need an Operating System?
Yes

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No

Where are you buying your parts from?
NewEgg


Basically, I want a gaming computer that will run games like SC2 and Battlefield 3 on high settings.

This is what I came up with on my own based on all the research and feedback I got. I feel pretty comfortable with this, but I bet it's not ideal.

+ Show Spoiler [List I came up with] +
ASRock P67 Extreme4
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157229

Intel Core i5-2500K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072

Cooler Master Hyper 212+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065

MSI GTX 560 Ti OC
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127565

G.Skill 8GB DDR3 1333
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231311

Corsair TX650 V2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139020

Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

Crucial M4 SATAIII 64GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148441

Asus 24X DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

Antec Nine Hundred Two V3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129097

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64 bit OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

* CPU and GPU are in a combo

Total: $1189


I think the motherboard and PSU are slightly overkill. I chose those components mostly because I've seen each of them repeatedly recommended regardless of what website, forum, or chart I looked at. Knowing they're so popular makes me more comfortable in choosing them, even if it is slightly more than what the bare minimum of what I need would cost me. If neither is truly worth it I will probably go down to the ASRock P67 Pro3 and a decent 500W PSU.

Also, I know cases are much less important than the actual internal components, but does anyone have any input on a case? I like cases that have a window and LED fans, and I've been looking at the CM Storm Scout, CM HAF 922, and Antec 902 V3. I put the 902 V3 in that list because it's the most expensive, but I might go with another case. Suggestions are welcome.

Just a little bump, lol.

I should probably also pick another set of memory since the one I picked I picked because of promotions I had from NewEgg that would've dropped the price a lot, which are now over. T_T
galtdunn
Profile Joined March 2011
United States977 Posts
September 09 2011 18:53 GMT
#10969
@ LazyMacro I'm no comp guru (finding parts for my own at the moment) but I just felt like I should point this out: a 1.5TB HDD by Seagate and the same Asus 24x DVD burner combo for $80.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.696143
I had the same HDD and DVD burner as you picked out, and I'm trying to debate right now which is better. The Samsung HDD has 7200RPM and the Seagate has 5900RPM (that's what my question above your post was about actually).
Currently editing items in the DotA 2 wiki. PM for questions/suggestions.
Bambipwnsu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada698 Posts
September 09 2011 18:56 GMT
#10970
On September 10 2011 03:53 galtdunn wrote:
@ LazyMacro I'm no comp guru (finding parts for my own at the moment) but I just felt like I should point this out: a 1.5TB HDD by Seagate and the same Asus 24x DVD burner combo for $80.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.696143
I had the same HDD and DVD burner as you picked out, and I'm trying to debate right now which is better. The Samsung HDD has 7200RPM and the Seagate has 5900RPM (that's what my question above your post was about actually).


Seagate has some trolololo defect rates

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/252416-32-seagate-barracuda-st31500541as-loud-random-clicking-noise

Either go with the Samsung Spinpoint F3 or a WD
LoL @ NA: bambipwnsu
Molybdenum
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States358 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-09 19:05:33
September 09 2011 19:04 GMT
#10971
On September 10 2011 03:45 LazyMacro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 16:31 LazyMacro wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I decided to take a while and do some research as well as figure out what it is I wanted to do. I was getting really indecisive and couldn't even answer the questions from the OP appropriately. I'm a lot more confident in my answers now.

+ Show Spoiler [Questions from the OP] +
What is your budget?
~$1000-1250

What is your resolution?
1920x1080

What are you using it for?
Gaming

What is your upgrade cycle?
2+ years

When do you plan on building it?
Within a week

Do you plan on overclocking?
Yes

Do you need an Operating System?
Yes

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No

Where are you buying your parts from?
NewEgg


Basically, I want a gaming computer that will run games like SC2 and Battlefield 3 on high settings.

This is what I came up with on my own based on all the research and feedback I got. I feel pretty comfortable with this, but I bet it's not ideal.

+ Show Spoiler [List I came up with] +
ASRock P67 Extreme4
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157229

Intel Core i5-2500K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072

Cooler Master Hyper 212+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065

MSI GTX 560 Ti OC
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127565

G.Skill 8GB DDR3 1333
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231311

Corsair TX650 V2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139020

Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

Crucial M4 SATAIII 64GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148441

Asus 24X DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

Antec Nine Hundred Two V3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129097

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64 bit OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

* CPU and GPU are in a combo

Total: $1189


I think the motherboard and PSU are slightly overkill. I chose those components mostly because I've seen each of them repeatedly recommended regardless of what website, forum, or chart I looked at. Knowing they're so popular makes me more comfortable in choosing them, even if it is slightly more than what the bare minimum of what I need would cost me. If neither is truly worth it I will probably go down to the ASRock P67 Pro3 and a decent 500W PSU.

Also, I know cases are much less important than the actual internal components, but does anyone have any input on a case? I like cases that have a window and LED fans, and I've been looking at the CM Storm Scout, CM HAF 922, and Antec 902 V3. I put the 902 V3 in that list because it's the most expensive, but I might go with another case. Suggestions are welcome.

Just a little bump, lol.

I should probably also pick another set of memory since the one I picked I picked because of promotions I had from NewEgg that would've dropped the price a lot, which are now over. T_T


Get this RAM now: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231424

As pointed out, the mobo is pricey, you could cut back to a cheaper one (Asrock P67 Pro3 for about $110) and probably not lose anything you would miss. You can save $5 or so by getting a DVD burner with free shipping, they're all pretty much the same anyway.

A 5900 rpm drive, and almost every "green" drive is a slower drive and meant for storage. This is ok to use if you have a SSD/faster HDD for the OS/programs, but booting off one of these will be slower. I would suggest a faster HDD/SSD over the large storage drive for everything but data (music files, movies, whatever).

edit: personally, I wouldn't get a seagate, but you'll find people who are loyal to certain makers of HDDs. Samsung and WD are my preferences.
galtdunn
Profile Joined March 2011
United States977 Posts
September 09 2011 19:05 GMT
#10972
Oh thanks, I didn't know that. I'll go with the Samsung for sure then.
Currently editing items in the DotA 2 wiki. PM for questions/suggestions.
pppanthers
Profile Joined July 2011
United States10 Posts
September 09 2011 20:40 GMT
#10973

GPU
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0047ZGIUK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

also comes with a free copy of deus ex

i5 2500k
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004EBUXI0/ref=ox_sc_act_title_10?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

HD
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00461LT6S/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

RAM
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004CRSM4I/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

motherboard
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004W785F4/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

power supply
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004W2T2U6/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

^ went with that for the free prime shipping^

As well as the heat sink and dvd r+w.

so im putting it together and I think i messed up, i get a red light on the tower. the fans turn on for a few seconds and then back off... is my power supply not good enough for this?
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 09 2011 21:01 GMT
#10974
PSU is fine, I'd guess you have something plugged in incorrectly. Check your motherboards manual to make sure you have all the cables in the right places, check that they're in firm.

You did install motherboard standoffs, yes?
pppanthers
Profile Joined July 2011
United States10 Posts
September 09 2011 21:15 GMT
#10975

PSU is fine, I'd guess you have something plugged in incorrectly. Check your motherboards manual to make sure you have all the cables in the right places, check that they're in firm.

You did install motherboard standoffs, yes?

Im looking but I dont see whats wrong. if by standoffs you mean those little screw looking thing the motherbord rests on then yes i did...if not then maybe. TT
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 09 2011 21:55 GMT
#10976
Uhm... next time hit the quote button. Easier to read. And yes, those were in fact what I meant by motherboard standoffs. Next question: did you only install the standoffs under corresponding holes in the motherboard?
pppanthers
Profile Joined July 2011
United States10 Posts
September 09 2011 22:06 GMT
#10977
sorry yep the case had more holes but i only put them in the holes where I could screw it in the motherboard the rest i left out
LazyMacro
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
976 Posts
September 09 2011 22:10 GMT
#10978
Just a thought I had: Wouldn't it be cool if TL had a sample build list based on what people might want in a build? Every other technology/computer/gaming forum/community has some kind of guide. Just throwing it out there.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-09 22:14:05
September 09 2011 22:13 GMT
#10979
On September 10 2011 07:10 LazyMacro wrote:
Just a thought I had: Wouldn't it be cool if TL had a sample build list based on what people might want in a build? Every other technology/computer/gaming forum/community has some kind of guide. Just throwing it out there.


It would be even cooler if people read the recent pages of this thread, which cover just about everything most people should be interested in, at any given time.

The OP also covers some of that stuff, although it might be slightly out of date.

a1 had made a guide as well. I'm sure it's still out there.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
September 09 2011 22:22 GMT
#10980
On September 10 2011 07:10 LazyMacro wrote:
Just a thought I had: Wouldn't it be cool if TL had a sample build list based on what people might want in a build? Every other technology/computer/gaming forum/community has some kind of guide. Just throwing it out there.


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