EPTIntel 320, Crucial C300 or M4, or Samsung 470 have slightly better track records for reliability than most others, and they're all plenty fast. Of those, only the Crucial ones actually use SATA3.
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Intel 320, Crucial C300 or M4, or Samsung 470 have slightly better track records for reliability than most others, and they're all plenty fast. Of those, only the Crucial ones actually use SATA3. | ||
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Hierarch
United States2197 Posts
On August 11 2011 16:03 skyR wrote: Intel, Samsung, and Crucial if you want reliability. OCZ if you want speed. The Intel 320 series is the only SSD line to have a five year warranty as opposed to the standard three offered by everyone else. What size you go with is up to your needs, how much programs / games do you plan on putting on the SSD? Windows 7 by itself takes up roughly 17GB and Starcraft II takes up roughly 10GB. Remember that a 60GB SSD is not going to offer 60GB of space once it's formatted, realistically it's going to be around 52GB. Water cooling is using water to cool your components. It's not necessary for a novice such as yourself and even for most of the experienced builders. You don't need to worry about cooling if you aren't overclocking. Modern cases and components provide more than enough airflow / cooling. It's not a straight forward answer as yes get a H67 over a H61 if you're getting a SSD. There are other factors to consider whether you want a full size ATX board, USB3, certain connectivity, certain brand preference, and what not. There are some H61 boards that use an external chipset for SATA3 such as this one (good value btw): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236 Ugh, wasn't gonna ask any more questions but I have a couple more, what do you mean by full "ATX" board? Also what do you mean by external chipset? Lastly what are PCI expansion slots?\ On August 11 2011 16:05 Myrmidon wrote: Size depends on what you want to put on it. I'd put at least the OS and web browser/office applications/other applications on it. Probably any single-player game you are playing too. How much space does that take for you? (So 64GB is a common size and should work, depending.) With most multiplayer games, even if you can load the stage quickly, you might still be waiting on somebody else to load. Or you could go larger and just keep more stuff on the drive. Intel 320, Crucial C300 or M4, or Samsung 470 have slightly better track records for reliability than most others, and they're all plenty fast. Of those, only the Crucial ones actually use SATA3. So what's your personal recommendation when it comes to H61 vs H67 for a machine I would build | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
PCI expansion slots are for discrete sound cards, network cards, and other cards. It's a legacy slot that will soon be phased out (hopefully). The Intel H67 chipset provides USB, SATA, audio, network, PCI-E, etc. The H61 (also made by Intel) chipset does not provide SATA3 whereas the H67 chipset does. So some manufacturers use an external chipset to provide SATA3 or other features that aren't provided by Intel's. USB3 is also provided by an external chipset since both these chipsets don't provide it. | ||
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Hierarch
United States2197 Posts
Also is this a good case? I like the design and how it looks http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139005 and this motherboard will work fine for me correct? (The one that got recommended to me) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236 | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Corsair makes decent cases. You don't need a discrete sound card unless your music library is in FLAC / you have a high-end sound system. The integrated sound provided by the motherboard is adequate for most people's listening needs. | ||
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Hierarch
United States2197 Posts
On August 11 2011 16:34 skyR wrote: Yes, the Asrock H61M U3S3 will work. Corsair makes decent cases. You don't need a discrete sound card unless your music library is in FLAC / you have a high-end sound system. The integrated sound provided by the motherboard is adequate for most people's listening needs. Ok cool, thanks for the answers. Hopefully the last thing I need to ask, do you have a case you'd recommend for my build? Also, why do you guys suggest the i5 2400 over the i5 2500? the .2 extra ghz isn't that meaningful? Edit: what is the difference between these SDD's http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167047 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167049 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167048 | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On August 11 2011 16:37 Hierarch wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On August 11 2011 16:34 skyR wrote: Yes, the Asrock H61M U3S3 will work. Corsair makes decent cases. You don't need a discrete sound card unless your music library is in FLAC / you have a high-end sound system. The integrated sound provided by the motherboard is adequate for most people's listening needs. Ok cool, thanks for the answers. Hopefully the last thing I need to ask, do you have a case you'd recommend for my build? Also, why do you guys suggest the i5 2400 over the i5 2500? the .2 extra ghz isn't that meaningful? Edit: what is the difference between these SDD's http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167047 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167049 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167048 Because the Core i5 2400 is a better value. The 300MHz difference is negligible but you're welcome to spend the extra for it if you want to. Case is personal preference so just pick one to your liking. Good in-expensive cases include but not limited to Coolermaster HAF 912 and Coolermaster 690ii Advanced. The $160 one is OEM meaning that it comes with just the SSD, nothing else. The more expensive ones are retail variants which come with the 2.5" to 3.5" adapter, SATA cable, manual, sticker, and all the other goodies. On August 11 2011 16:39 gruff wrote:+ Show Spoiler + If I'd want a modular power supply with similar performance to the XFX 450 W that's been recommended in this thread, what would I be looking for? I know seasonic have a few in the 400-500 W range but they are really expensive. Could Cooler Master Silent Pro M 500W be an option? (Half the cost of a seasonic x model I looked at) It seems it's much easier to find modular ones from 600 W and up. Silent M Pro isn't as good as the Core Edition line but it's decent if you want modular. The reason why you find more of the higher wattage power supplies to be modular is because that's when the clutter starts. There's not much cables for a lower wattage power supply, you get maybe two strings of molex connectors, two strings of SATA connectors, and the required everything else. On August 11 2011 16:40 zoLo wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I just got my Asus optical drive in the mail today and I want to know what SATA cables do I need? I checked on Newegg and there are different types like ESATA, SATA II, etc. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 You need a SATA cable, whether it's SATA2 or SATA3 does not matter. The motherboard should have provided you one of these. | ||
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Hierarch
United States2197 Posts
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LazyMacro
976 Posts
On August 11 2011 08:45 skyR wrote: Totals to $1038 before mail in rebates. Not much you can do with such a large budget if you're not willing to overclock. You could switch to a smaller SSD if you're trying to reduce the total. Stepping up to the GTX 570 isn't worth it as the performanace difference doesn't justify the price difference. You could get a nicer case such as the Fractal Design R3 or whatever case that appeals to you since a case can be kept through multiple builds. You could pay a premium for Gskill, Corsair memory and other components and what not. Ya... not much you can do with such a large budget. Core i5 2400 @ $190 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074 Asrock H61M U3S3 @ $75 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236 PNY 2x4GB 1333MHz @ $45 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820178333 EVGA GTX 560 Ti -AR @ $230 ($205 after mail in rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130604 Intel 320 Series 120GB @ $205 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167052 Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB @ $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185 Coolermaster HAF 912 @ $60 ($50 after mail in rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233 XFX Core Edition 450 @ $55 ($45 after mail in rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207012 DVD Burner @ $18 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289 Windows 7 Home Premium x64 @ $100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986 So I've spent a lot of my night reading about different components and learning a lot more about things. Not surprisingly, my list that I've been coming up with is almost identical and I think I've gotten a better idea for why you recommended which parts you've recommended. Some thoughts I've had: - Would getting a different/better motherboard help down the line in terms of being able to upgrade if I so choose? If I understand correctly, that motherboard is a great value, but won't be able to support adding more memory later on or a second GPU. Any recommendations on other motherboards to look at? - WRT motherboard chipsets: Is choosing between H61, H67, P67, X68, etc. a major decision? I've still not quite sure what the difference is. From what I've read it sounds like the X68 chipset is more for overclocking, which I'm not planning on doing. Edit: Regarding my second question: http://motherboardnews.com/2011/04/07/comparison-of-intels-lga-1155-chipsets/ It looks like the Z68 chipset would offer the most flexibility, but it's also unlikely I'd take advantage of all of it. My instinct says to look into P67 motherboards, but I'm not sure if that's a good idea or if I should just go with the H61 motherboard you recommended. What about the ASRock P67 Extreme4 (B3)? It still has an LGA1155 socket so the i5-2400 will work in it, it has 4x240 pin DDR3 slots, and it has 3 PCI Express x16 slots. This way I could upgrade memory and add a GPU down the line. What do you think? | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On August 11 2011 17:13 Hierarch wrote: What about a heatsink? Does that come included with something I'm going to buy? Or do I need to buy one? The processer comes with heatsink and fan. Unless you want to overclock you don't need to buy it seperately. For reference you can look at the details for the i5-2400 here for instance http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074 you see it says "Heatsink and Fan included." | ||
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Hierarch
United States2197 Posts
On August 11 2011 17:22 nam nam wrote: The processer comes with heatsink and fan. Unless you want to overclock you don't need to buy it seperately. For reference you can look at the details for the i5-2400 here for instance http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074 you see it says "Heatsink and Fan included." Whoops, totally overlooked that lol, thanks | ||
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
Case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021 PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005 | ||
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Hierarch
United States2197 Posts
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echO [W]
United States1495 Posts
On August 11 2011 17:30 zoLo wrote: Hey guys, what position should I put the power supply? I have an Antec 900 (Yeah, I know it gets a bad rep, but I got it for cheap) and there is no space or vent at the bottom. Is it better to put the power supply with the fan facing upward? Case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021 PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005 Yeah, I believe you have to, if I'm not mistaken, the fan on a PSU is to pull air into it to keep it cool, if you put it face down on the case, it won't have enough airflow. | ||
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Gattaca.usa
131 Posts
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echO [W]
United States1495 Posts
On August 11 2011 18:19 Gattaca.usa wrote: i really like that case, i'm thinking about getting it. either that or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129066. I like them because they come with a lot of LED fans. any thoughts? If you're thinking about the Antec 300, you should look at the Antec 100 (not the ISK), it's relatively new, and I believe Antec will retire their 300 in favor the 100, the 100 has room for cables to be routed behind the motherboard tray to cut down on the clutter. | ||
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Gattaca.usa
131 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On August 11 2011 21:00 Gattaca.usa wrote: but their aren't cool LED fans!!! If you want cool LED fans, definitely get an Antec case with them, like you were considering. Antec makes better LED fans than most of the other low-mid range case manufacturers. That being said, if you want aesthetics, bear in mind that if you don't pay more for them, either performance or build quality on the case will suffer for it. And that's personal experience from someone who loves the gamer aesthetic, not just a statement from someone who hates it. | ||
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