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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Gattaca.usa
Profile Joined October 2010
131 Posts
August 11 2011 13:55 GMT
#9481
a question for all the people that usually give advice on this thread....

What is your build/setup?
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 13:58:40
August 11 2011 13:58 GMT
#9482
On August 11 2011 22:55 Gattaca.usa wrote:
a question for all the people that usually give advice on this thread....

What is your build/setup?


Mine's in my profile, and I think it's up to date.

skyR uses a 2500k and a GTX 460, I believe.
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 14:04:04
August 11 2011 14:00 GMT
#9483
x6 1090t
hd6870
4gb ram
antec 520w
msi gd615m-p33
1tb 7200rpm hdd

not the best but was cheap, so got it
this baby streams and play sc2 on ultra just fine

my laptop though has an old GT120m with Pentium dual-core t4200 and 4gb ram also
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
Gattaca.usa
Profile Joined October 2010
131 Posts
August 11 2011 14:06 GMT
#9484
antec 900 or 300 illusion or rosewill challenger? whats the consensus?
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 14:22:53
August 11 2011 14:16 GMT
#9485
On August 11 2011 23:06 Gattaca.usa wrote:
antec 900 or 300 illusion or rosewill challenger? whats the consensus?


Personally, I'd say spend a few more dollars on your case. None of them is anything special by todays standards. Of the three, 300 Illusion would be least prone to making me vomit.

Antec 902 v3 is better, but not sure if you're counting that when saying 900 or not. Mind you, not a lot better, and not worth it at the price it runs, but putting it out there.

I used to have an Antec 900, and fact is, it sucked. 902 and 300 are built along similar lines, 300 at least has the advantage of being cheaper, 902 is slightly less shitty than the original 900.

Rosewill challenger is similar in lines of crappiness, and without the decent quality Antec fans.
Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 15:55:42
August 11 2011 15:54 GMT
#9486
On August 11 2011 17:15 LazyMacro wrote:
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So I've spent a lot of my night reading about different components and learning a lot more about things.

Not surprisingly, my list that I've been coming up with is almost identical and I think I've gotten a better idea for why you recommended which parts you've recommended.

Some thoughts I've had:
- Would getting a different/better motherboard help down the line in terms of being able to upgrade if I so choose? If I understand correctly, that motherboard is a great value, but won't be able to support adding more memory later on or a second GPU. Any recommendations on other motherboards to look at?

- WRT motherboard chipsets: Is choosing between H61, H67, P67, X68, etc. a major decision? I've still not quite sure what the difference is. From what I've read it sounds like the X68 chipset is more for overclocking, which I'm not planning on doing.

Edit: Regarding my second question: http://motherboardnews.com/2011/04/07/comparison-of-intels-lga-1155-chipsets/

It looks like the Z68 chipset would offer the most flexibility, but it's also unlikely I'd take advantage of all of it. My instinct says to look into P67 motherboards, but I'm not sure if that's a good idea or if I should just go with the H61 motherboard you recommended.

What about the ASRock P67 Extreme4 (B3)? It still has an LGA1155 socket so the i5-2400 will work in it, it has 4x240 pin DDR3 slots, and it has 3 PCI Express x16 slots. This way I could upgrade memory and add a GPU down the line.

What do you think?


Motherboard should be chosen for the features you want (USB3,Sata3), quality of build/manufacturer (most are fine e.g. ASRock, ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte), ability to overclock (H61/67 can't vs P67/Z68 which can, for LGA1155 mobo's), and how many power phases it has (for more overclocking, if you decide to do so).

Since you said you want to stream in HD, I would suggest an i5 2500k with a P67 mobo and a heatsink such as the CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ or Xigmatek Gaia. Z68 boards provide QuickSync (using the CPU's hardware to speed up video encoding), which is nice for streaming but I don't know what streaming software (if any) actually takes advantage of that.

You probably won't need more than 8GB of RAM anytime in the near future (not even in 5 years, in my opinion). You'll have a hard time exceeding 4 GB in use.

Planning for a dual-GPU upgrade path is a very bad idea as it has many downsides (more heat, more noise, rarely twice the performance of that single card, entirely dependent on drivers, more power consumption, etc.) while getting a good card now that fits all your needs and upgrading in 3 years, let's say, is a much better idea.

You should know very well what you want your GPU to do.
Example:
I play at 1600x900. I wanted Crysis to run at max settings, including at least 2x AA (to me, the difference between No AA and 2x AA is quite noticeable, but higher than 2x I can't notice much). So I bought a HD 6870 (about equivalent to a GTX 560).
If you want to crank up the AA as well, at 1920x1080, you're gonna need a 6950/560 Ti. Maybe even a 6970/570.
But a new builder should not consider dual-GPU. You should REALLY know your stuff when considering that.
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 11 2011 16:43 GMT
#9487
On August 11 2011 17:30 zoLo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hey guys, what position should I put the power supply? I have an Antec 900 (Yeah, I know it gets a bad rep, but I got it for cheap) and there is no space or vent at the bottom. Is it better to put the power supply with the fan facing upward?

Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021

PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005


You don't exactly have a choice with the Antec Nine Hundred as there are no bottom vents so you must have the power supply fan facing upwards.


On August 11 2011 17:43 Hierarch wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
What is the difference between 2mb cache vs 4mb cache on a blue ray drive?


More cache prevents buffer underflow and reduces spins. Not a huge difference really...
ballasdontcry
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada595 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 17:29:12
August 11 2011 17:20 GMT
#9488
Hi, so I'm looking for some comments regarding this build, for playing SC2/D3 on ultra @ 1920x1080. Figures that NCIX has some okay deals going on for back 2 school and should take advantage of it.

Fits right around my budget (~$650 before taxes and other costs) but just looks for thoughts about the parts. I might overclock in the future if I require it, and I would like to stick to the parts I have as much as possible, so I'm not sure how big of a PSU I need or if I need any aftermarket cooling. I plan to add an SSD in the future when prices drop to a more reasonable rate, hence the Z68 pick for SSD caching. The 6850 seems fairly good value to me, but I'm not too sure about the brand.

Also, any thoughts about a cheap 22"-24" monitor I can add?

+ Show Spoiler +
i5 2500k - 238.99 pm to 209.99 (http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/PID-MX31557(ME).aspx)
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=57962

gigabyte z68 - 129.99 pm to 119.99 (http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/PID-MX33372(ME).aspx)
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=61004

g.skill 2x2 RAM - 30.39
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=30167

powercolor radeon 6850 - 114.99
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=56240&vpn=AX6850 1GBD5-DH&manufacture=PowerColor&promoid=1300

coolermaster elite 370 - 39.98
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=55447

caviar black 500gb - 59.99
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=57432

samsung dvd-writer - 29.98 pm to 18.99 (http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/PID-MX32964(ME).aspx)
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=60344&vpn=SH-222AB/BEBE-OEM&manufacture=Samsung

coolermaster extreme 600W - 54.99
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=42439&promoid=1307
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 17:36:59
August 11 2011 17:30 GMT
#9489
Coolermaster power supplies are garbage and a 600w power supply at $55 should have indicated this to you? It's not like you will ever need this much power as both the Core i5 2500k and Radeon HD6850 use less than 100w under load. The Antec Neo Eco 450C is of higher quality unit and is a much better pick at $29: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=60491&promoid=1300

Get this memory kit instead: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=57947 , pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15380BD8041 for $27.39

Better pricematch at $208.06 for the 2500k: http://www.hltechnology.com/one_prod.php?pid=039880

Better pricematch at $109.69 for the Z68: http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11830BD5085

Case can be pricematched to $35.64: http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950AC0077

Powercolor is okay, they're a low-tier brand I guess you would say.

Unless you want the five year warranty provided by the Caviar Black, you are much better saving money by getting a Caviar Blue. Caviar Black can be pricematched to $54.97 if you want to remain with it: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7288041 Otherwise a Caviar Blue 500GB can be had for $40.

An aftermarket heatsink is recommended for overclocking. You can add this now or add this later when you plan on overclocking. You won't be using SSD caching, trust me but Z68 boards aren't a bad pick in Canada considering their price.
ballasdontcry
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada595 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 18:13:40
August 11 2011 18:01 GMT
#9490
On August 12 2011 02:30 skyR wrote:
Coolermaster power supplies are garbage and a 600w power supply at $55 should have indicated this to you? It's not like you will ever need this much power as both the Core i5 2500k and Radeon HD6850 use less than 100w under load. The Antec Neo Eco 450C is of higher quality unit and is a much better pick at $29: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=60491&promoid=1300

Get this memory kit instead: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=57947 , pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15380BD8041 for $27.39

Better pricematch at $208.06 for the 2500k: http://www.hltechnology.com/one_prod.php?pid=039880

Better pricematch at $109.69 for the Z68: http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11830BD5085

Case can be pricematched to $35.64: http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950AC0077

Powercolor is okay, they're a low-tier brand I guess you would say.

Unless you want the five year warranty provided by the Caviar Black, you are much better saving money by getting a Caviar Blue. Caviar Black can be pricematched to $54.97 if you want to remain with it: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7288041 Otherwise a Caviar Blue 500GB can be had for $40.

An aftermarket heatsink is recommended for overclocking. You can add this now or add this later when you plan on overclocking. You won't be using SSD caching, trust me but Z68 boards aren't a bad pick in Canada considering their price.

Great advice as usual. Thanks.

Would I notice any difference if I was going for a more expensive GPU like Asus or Gigabyte? In terms of reliability and such? If not Powercolor then which 6850 do you recommend?

And any thoughts on a good aftermarket fan to pick if I was to add one now?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 11 2011 18:19 GMT
#9491
A good inexpensive aftermarket heatsink is the Coolermaster Hyper 212+ which can be pricematched to $23.62: http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=1946101809P , http://ncix.com/products/?sku=41337

The powercolor is a reference design afaik so quality should be similar throughout all the various brands of reference design cards. I've never dealt with Powercolor so I can't say whether their post-sale support is garbage or not. 6850s from other brands such as ASUS and Gigabyte will most likely come equipped with a better heatsink and will be factory clocked higher.
echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
August 11 2011 18:31 GMT
#9492
On August 11 2011 21:00 Gattaca.usa wrote:
but their aren't cool LED fans!!!

I value in case wiring cleanliness over LED fans anyday, LED fans may look great, but if the wiring inside your case is cluttered, you'll suffer from crappy airflow given how small these cases are.
"Or a school bus over a bunch of kids" - Tasteless --- “A man's errors are his portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
August 11 2011 18:40 GMT
#9493
On August 11 2011 22:55 Gattaca.usa wrote:
a question for all the people that usually give advice on this thread....

What is your build/setup?


CPU: i5-2500k
Mobo: P67 UD4
Heatsink: Corsair H50
Ram: 8GB G Skill Ripjaws X DDR3-1600 CL8
GPU: Crossfired ATI Radeon 5870s
PSU: Rosewill 1000W
Case: NZXT Lexa Blackline
SSD: 120GB Crucial C300
HDD1: 500GB Western Digital 7200 RPM (where all my files go)
HDD2: 1.5TB Samsung 5400 RPM (media)
HDD3: 2TB Samsung 5400 RPM (media)
Keyboard: Razer Blackwidow Ultimate
Mouse: Logitech Performance Mouse MX
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 11 2011 18:53 GMT
#9494
On August 11 2011 22:58 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2011 22:55 Gattaca.usa wrote:
a question for all the people that usually give advice on this thread....

What is your build/setup?


Mine's in my profile, and I think it's up to date.

skyR uses a 2500k and a GTX 460, I believe.


Ya, that's what I use. If you're curious about rest of my specs than I guess here you go:
+ Show Spoiler +
Intel Core i5 2500k
ASUS P8P67
2x4GB Corsair Vengeance 1600MHz cas9
MSI GTX 460 Twin Frozr II
WD Caviar Black 1TB
WD Caviar Green 1.5TB x2
WD Caviar Green 500GB x2
WD Caviar Blue 250GB
Lian Li PC-9F
Noctua NH-U12P
Seasonic X-560

Archiss Cherry MX Brown
Logitech G500
Samsung Syncmaster 2343bwx
Samsung Syncmaster 915n
Edifier 330D

2010 Macbook Pro 13"


Looking to replace the HDDs, get maybe a Intel 320 SSD, and maybe some Dell Ultrasharps around Christmas time.
ataryens
Profile Joined June 2010
Iran213 Posts
August 11 2011 20:11 GMT
#9495
can i install the cooler that comes wih 2500k without paste? the cooler i got isnt here yet?
thx
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 11 2011 20:12 GMT
#9496
On August 12 2011 05:11 ataryens wrote:
can i install the cooler that comes wih 2500k without paste? the cooler i got isnt here yet?
thx


The Intel provided heatsink has pre-applied paste.
Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 21:23:24
August 11 2011 21:19 GMT
#9497
The build I came up with after I got some awesome advice is:

Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Motherboard: ASRock H61M/U3S3 LGA 1155 Intel H61 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

GPU: SAPPHIRE 100315L Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity

Power Supply: XFX Core Edition PRO450W (P1-450S-XXB9) 450W ATX12V 2.2 & ESP12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified

CPU: Intel Core i5-2400 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz (3.4GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52400

SSD: Crucial M4 CT064M4SSD2 2.5" 64GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL

Blue Ray Drive: SAMSUNG Black Blu-ray Combo SATA Model SH-B123L LightScribe Support - OEM

Any feedback on any of these parts is most appreciated, if there's a cheaper alternative without sacrificing too much performance I'd love to hear alternatives. Also what's the difference between all the GPU's? So many different brands, but the card seems the same? Last, is it possible to put my info on just an HDD in the beginning and when I want to add a SSD transfer them over? Files like the os, oblivion, the witcher 2, office etc...?

MC|NonY|HerO|NaDa|MVP|DRG|Ret|Sen|Dimaga|Leenock
ataryens
Profile Joined June 2010
Iran213 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 22:04:17
August 11 2011 21:40 GMT
#9498
thx, also, the gpu comes with 2 6 slots holes for power, i got 2 power cords (one has 6 slots and the other has 6 slots+2 called PCI-E) are these the correct connectors?
Aslo, there is no connection between the fans that came with the case and the mobo?
Edit: I would also have an extra 8pin cable from the power supply that is not plugged anywhere.

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LazyMacro
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
976 Posts
August 11 2011 21:43 GMT
#9499
The last decision I have to make is whether I want to get a CPU and motherboard that will allow me to overclock later on if I choose to. I like flexibility and I feel somewhat limited by the ASRock H61 motherboard. Then again that motherboard does exactly what I need it to do. I'd like more USB ports, though. Hmmm. Thoughts?
Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 21:54:56
August 11 2011 21:53 GMT
#9500
On August 12 2011 06:19 Hierarch wrote:
The build I came up with after I got some awesome advice is:

+ Show Spoiler +
Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Motherboard: ASRock H61M/U3S3 LGA 1155 Intel H61 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

GPU: SAPPHIRE 100315L Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity

Power Supply: XFX Core Edition PRO450W (P1-450S-XXB9) 450W ATX12V 2.2 & ESP12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified

CPU: Intel Core i5-2400 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz (3.4GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52400

SSD: Crucial M4 CT064M4SSD2 2.5" 64GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL

Blue Ray Drive: SAMSUNG Black Blu-ray Combo SATA Model SH-B123L LightScribe Support - OEM

Any feedback on any of these parts is most appreciated, if there's a cheaper alternative without sacrificing too much performance I'd love to hear alternatives. Also what's the difference between all the GPU's? So many different brands, but the card seems the same? Last, is it possible to put my info on just an HDD in the beginning and when I want to add a SSD transfer them over? Files like the os, oblivion, the witcher 2, office etc...?



Good build.

Some will probably tell you to get a Caviar Green instead of Black (greens are slower and use slightly less power, but cost less per GB of space) since you have a SSD . I have a SSD also (40GB) but bought a Caviar Black as well because there's no way all my huge games are going to fit on the SSD and I did not want to skimp on that just for a few bucks - I have a lot of Single Player games that have significant enough load times that a green drive would piss me off.

And since you're getting a SSD, you should absolutely put your OS and other frequently used programs that load slowly (Antivirus, Office suite, single player games). If you don't put those things there, why get a SSD in the first place?

The difference between GPU's of the same kind from different manufacturers is in design of the card (heatsink, fan(s), reference clocks or overclocked, etc), warranty, support...
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
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