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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
aphorism
Profile Joined February 2011
United States226 Posts
August 12 2011 00:22 GMT
#9521
Is WD a reliable brand for HDDs? I have to RMA my Caviar Black that I just got, and I was wondering if I should replace it or get a refund and buy a different one.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 12 2011 00:28 GMT
#9522
Yes WD is reliable, most people prefer it over Seagate. There's only three HDD manufacturers left, one of them being Western Digital and the other two being Seagate and Toshiba. Your only other choice would be going with Seagate since Toshiba isn't widely available in the retail channels.
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 00:32:49
August 12 2011 00:28 GMT
#9523
How well can this run SC2? A laptop ^^

AMD Quad-Core A6-3400M 1.4GHz APU (2.3GHz TurboBoost)
4GB DDR3
500GB HDD
15.6" 1366x768 LED-backlit Hgh-Definition Widescreen Dsplay
1GB AMD Radeon 6650 Graphics
Multiformat DVD±RW/CD-RW Drive
WiFi N
6-cell Battery
Windows 7 Premium
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 12 2011 00:31 GMT
#9524
Medium at best.
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
August 12 2011 00:33 GMT
#9525
Ok nice, medium and it will be fine in late game and everything? And running at turboboost will that hurt computer if it's on turboboost too long?
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 12 2011 00:37 GMT
#9526
The processor is designed with turbo boost in mind so no there's not going to be any harm. I'm not sure how a 2.3GHz Athlon fares in late game scenarios but it will most likely struggle in certain scenarios.
Gattaca.usa
Profile Joined October 2010
131 Posts
August 12 2011 00:52 GMT
#9527
In terms of quality (which will last longer for a few future build), cable management, airflow etc which cases are better:

Cooler Master Storm Scout
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119196

Antec 300 illusion
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129066

Antec 900
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021

NZXT Apollo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146025

Lian Li Lan Cool
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112239

Cooler Master HAF 912
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233

Or any other case that you think is good.

They all have really good reviews from newegg so its hard to distinguish which is better. They are all in the 50-100 price range. The cheaper the better but if I need to spend 100 to get the best case of that bunch then i'll do it.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 12 2011 00:59 GMT
#9528
All (most) cases in this price range is going to last a lifetime unless you throw it off a building. Lian Li and Coolermaster is better since it has a backplate for the CPU heatsink bracket, better / more cable routing holes, and harddrives are easier to install. Storm is similar to the HAF 912, I guess you could say it's an earlier revision of the HAF but it never really took off in terms of popularity.
Gattaca.usa
Profile Joined October 2010
131 Posts
August 12 2011 01:17 GMT
#9529
the HAF 912 is so ugly.

I think ive narrowed it down to the Cooler Master Storm (cheap), Antec 300 illusion (cheaper) and the Lian Li (quality).

decisions decisions.
SaYyId
Profile Joined August 2010
Portugal277 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 02:00:56
August 12 2011 01:41 GMT
#9530
Budget
900€(~1270$)(screen and peripherals not included)
What is your resolution
1920*1080
What are you using it for
ABSOLUTELY RAPING SC2 @MAX. I can't afford to lag with this PC.
What is your upgrade cycle
I don't give a fuck about this, every summer I'll work some and get small stuff like an SSD or a RAM upgrade, things of that sort
When do you plan on build it
This month(August 2011)
Do you plan on overclocking
Sure. CPU and GPU, but I'm thinking of buying a new GPU if needed next year
Do you need an OS
No. I can get the W7 Ult for 30€. Don't ask.
SLI/Crossfire
No need.
Where are you buying the parts from
www.globaldata.pt

(I am knowledgeable on this sort of things, [almost] every part has a reason behind it)

i7 2600K (This is why I said 'almost'): 268€-380$ (We have an insane IT tax /)
GSkill 8GB 1600MHz CL9 (cheap as fuck, 58€-82$, totally worth it)
AsRock Z68 PRO3 (felt like it)100€-141$
Antec 300 (cheap and reliable(?) brand) 60€-84$
Seagate 500GB SATA III 16 MB 36€-50$
Some Asus Drive(is it the right word?) 20€-30$
Some Kingston card reader 10€ 15$
Corsair CX600W (I know this system consumes, what, 400W? I just don't feel like buying a supply case for the next 4 years)64€-90$
Powercolor 6950 2GB(may need the extra VRAM since SC2 is not the only game I'll be playing with cranked AA)240€-340$


Thanks in advance


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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
August 12 2011 01:50 GMT
#9531
On August 12 2011 10:17 Gattaca.usa wrote:
the HAF 912 is so ugly.

I think ive narrowed it down to the Cooler Master Storm (cheap), Antec 300 illusion (cheaper) and the Lian Li (quality).

decisions decisions.


I'd go with the Lian Li, personally. If you're looking for some LED's and aesthetics, the cheaper you go, the more inconvenient, flimsy, or louder your case gets. Granted, that applies in general, but flashy does tend to be counted as a feature, and you tend to pay for those.

Newegg reviews are only worth a damn for finding out what kind of issues components tend to have, IMO, they don't make for a good statistical sampling, and people are generally lying about their actual tech knowledge, and not comparing to a functional baseline.
Madoga
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 01:59:58
August 12 2011 01:59 GMT
#9532
@ SaYyId
- For gaming a 2600k has (nearly) no adventages over a 2500k. The 2600k is only better if you are allso rendering. If you are not, go for the 2500k.
- If you want to save some for nearly no performance loss get the cheapest 1333 mhz memory kit.
- Antec cases are not that good in general. I'd go for a coolermaster, lian-li, silverstone or maybe a fractal design case. But I gues its personal preferance. If you really like it, keep it.
- Seaside? I think you mean seagate?
- some asus drive, dont know what you mean by that.
- Corsair CX aren't that great. Id invest some more in your PSU, its a very important part. You need a quality 450-500W PSU.
- You dont really need more than 1gb, but I gues if you allways want to max AA its fine. Easy way to save a bit with no/very little performance loss is to get the 1gb version.

Dont spear/read portugese, so cant really help you finding components on that site.
SaYyId
Profile Joined August 2010
Portugal277 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 02:09:30
August 12 2011 02:01 GMT
#9533
On August 12 2011 10:59 Madoga wrote:
@ SaYyId
- For gaming a 2600k has (nearly) no adventages over a 2500k. The 2600k is only better if you are allso rendering. If you are not, go for the 2500k.
- If you want to save some for nearly no performance loss get the cheapest 1333 mhz memory kit.
- Antec cases are not that good in general. I'd go for a coolermaster, lian-li, silverstone or maybe a fractal design case. But I gues its personal preferance. If you really like it, keep it.
- Seaside? I think you mean seagate?
- some asus drive, dont know what you mean by that.
- Corsair CX aren't that great. Id invest some more in your PSU, its a very important part. You need a quality 450-500W PSU.
- You dont really need more than 1gb, but I gues if you allways want to max AA its fine. Easy way to save a bit with no/very little performance loss is to get the 1gb version.

Dont spear/read portugese, so cant really help you finding components on that site.

Thanks man, kinda what I expected to hear, but, relative to the CPU, rendering? what do you mean?BTW, RAM is cheap as fuck, I'm serious. 8GB 1600 AND 8G 1333 have a 10 € difference lol.(both CL9)
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 02:10:52
August 12 2011 02:09 GMT
#9534
On August 12 2011 11:01 SaYyId wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 10:59 Madoga wrote:
@ SaYyId
- For gaming a 2600k has (nearly) no adventages over a 2500k. The 2600k is only better if you are allso rendering. If you are not, go for the 2500k.
- If you want to save some for nearly no performance loss get the cheapest 1333 mhz memory kit.
- Antec cases are not that good in general. I'd go for a coolermaster, lian-li, silverstone or maybe a fractal design case. But I gues its personal preferance. If you really like it, keep it.
- Seaside? I think you mean seagate?
- some asus drive, dont know what you mean by that.
- Corsair CX aren't that great. Id invest some more in your PSU, its a very important part. You need a quality 450-500W PSU.
- You dont really need more than 1gb, but I gues if you allways want to max AA its fine. Easy way to save a bit with no/very little performance loss is to get the 1gb version.

Dont spear/read portugese, so cant really help you finding components on that site.

Thanks man, kinda what I expected to hear, but, relative to the CPU, rendering? what do you mean?BTW, RAM is cheap as fuck, I'm serious. 8GB 1600 AND 8G 1333 have a 10 € difference lol.


http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=245087

Some bench results of RAM performance in SC2. The decision, obviously, will be yours.
SaYyId
Profile Joined August 2010
Portugal277 Posts
August 12 2011 02:14 GMT
#9535
On August 12 2011 11:09 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 11:01 SaYyId wrote:
On August 12 2011 10:59 Madoga wrote:
@ SaYyId
- For gaming a 2600k has (nearly) no adventages over a 2500k. The 2600k is only better if you are allso rendering. If you are not, go for the 2500k.
- If you want to save some for nearly no performance loss get the cheapest 1333 mhz memory kit.
- Antec cases are not that good in general. I'd go for a coolermaster, lian-li, silverstone or maybe a fractal design case. But I gues its personal preferance. If you really like it, keep it.
- Seaside? I think you mean seagate?
- some asus drive, dont know what you mean by that.
- Corsair CX aren't that great. Id invest some more in your PSU, its a very important part. You need a quality 450-500W PSU.
- You dont really need more than 1gb, but I gues if you allways want to max AA its fine. Easy way to save a bit with no/very little performance loss is to get the 1gb version.

Dont spear/read portugese, so cant really help you finding components on that site.

Thanks man, kinda what I expected to hear, but, relative to the CPU, rendering? what do you mean?BTW, RAM is cheap as fuck, I'm serious. 8GB 1600 AND 8G 1333 have a 10 € difference lol.


http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=245087

Some bench results of RAM performance in SC2. The decision, obviously, will be yours.


I've already seen that (nice blogs you do btw)
It's so cheap, really... it's worth it
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Madoga
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands471 Posts
August 12 2011 02:17 GMT
#9536
On August 12 2011 11:01 SaYyId wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 10:59 Madoga wrote:
@ SaYyId
- For gaming a 2600k has (nearly) no adventages over a 2500k. The 2600k is only better if you are allso rendering. If you are not, go for the 2500k.
- If you want to save some for nearly no performance loss get the cheapest 1333 mhz memory kit.
- Antec cases are not that good in general. I'd go for a coolermaster, lian-li, silverstone or maybe a fractal design case. But I gues its personal preferance. If you really like it, keep it.
- Seaside? I think you mean seagate?
- some asus drive, dont know what you mean by that.
- Corsair CX aren't that great. Id invest some more in your PSU, its a very important part. You need a quality 450-500W PSU.
- You dont really need more than 1gb, but I gues if you allways want to max AA its fine. Easy way to save a bit with no/very little performance loss is to get the 1gb version.

Dont spear/read portugese, so cant really help you finding components on that site.

Thanks man, kinda what I expected to hear, but, relative to the CPU, rendering? what do you mean?BTW, RAM is cheap as fuck, I'm serious. 8GB 1600 AND 8G 1333 have a 10 € difference lol.


If you dont do any movie editing or 3d image editing or something along those lines, you are probably better of getting the 2500k and saving 70-80 euro.
1600 mhz ram isn't wrong, but 1333mhz just gives you a really easy way to save 10-20 euro's. The difference between 1600mhz ram and 1333mhz ram is pretty much unnoticeable unless you want to benchmark.
As for the PSU, I checked the site (as far as i could understand it) and saw that there is a very limited offer. You are pretty much stuck with corsair or Enermax. Enermax is really expensive but mostly high quality. I'd probably go with the CORSAIR GS-600W due to lack of other options. The Corsair CX 500 wouldnt be a bad choise either though.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 02:25:22
August 12 2011 02:24 GMT
#9537
The advantage to faster memory in most gaming scenarios usually comes into play in minimum framerate, where it isn't usually too terribly big of a deal. I'm generally of the opinion that if you aren't the type to pay premiums for minimal gains elsewhere, memory is usually not a good place to start, since tweaking it can be several forms of headache all rolled into one, especially if you don't buy an enthusiast mobo. Bad RAM configurations have a nasty tendency to leave you not booting, and having to redo all your BIOS level tweaking after clearing CMOS.

For the price, it doesn't hurt, but if you aren't ready to fight with it, it's money wasted, just like buying a 2500k and P67 board without wanting to OC.
LazyMacro
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
976 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 02:57:37
August 12 2011 02:55 GMT
#9538
skyR, with that ~$1000 build, when should I expect to no longer be able to run things on high settings? Three years? At that point, should I upgrade and build a new computer?

Edit: I'm not going to lie, I'm having second thoughts about it and I'm thinking maybe I should wait another week and do more research before I buy. Idk. :|
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
August 12 2011 03:04 GMT
#9539
On August 12 2011 11:55 LazyMacro wrote:
skyR, with that ~$1000 build, when should I expect to no longer be able to run things on high settings? Three years? At that point, should I upgrade and build a new computer?

Edit: I'm not going to lie, I'm having second thoughts about it and I'm thinking maybe I should wait another week and do more research before I buy. Idk. :|


I'm pretty sure skyR had to RMA his crystal ball when it told him McCain would win the 2008 US Elections.

Nobody can answer that question with any degree of accuracy, in other words.
CuraOh
Profile Joined November 2010
Chile81 Posts
August 12 2011 03:05 GMT
#9540
@SaYyId
this is better quiality suply is a rebraded seasonic
http://www.globaldata.pt/index.aspx?p=ProdDetailRef&ProdRef=CMPSU-650TXV2EU
you will need a after mark cooler this will fill yours need
http://www.globaldata.pt/index.aspx?p=ProdDetailRef&ProdRef=CAC-SXHH3-U08
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