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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Gattaca.usa
Profile Joined October 2010
131 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 05:03:38
August 12 2011 05:03 GMT
#9541
I'm going to go with this case:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112239

any reasons not to?
omisa
Profile Joined January 2011
United States494 Posts
August 12 2011 05:30 GMT
#9542
For the price, the build quality is sub par on that model. Its just a case but...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133181

A similar case with decent cooling for almost half the price including rebates. I would shop a bit more.
\m/
Gattaca.usa
Profile Joined October 2010
131 Posts
August 12 2011 05:37 GMT
#9543
what about this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119196

how do u know the build quality is sub par?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 12 2011 06:07 GMT
#9544
He doesn't. Most would consider Thermaltake to be on the lower-end of the spectrum in terms of cases. I don't think you'll find many people recommending a Thermaltake over a Lian Li or other manufacturer except for him.
omisa
Profile Joined January 2011
United States494 Posts
August 12 2011 06:11 GMT
#9545
Lian Li is known for excellent chassis design and quality. The LanCool is their budget brand. The case is well designed, but after seeing first hand a brand new unit pulled from the box with two of the mounting screws on the clear side cover had been overtightened, resulting in the cover cracking. Also the plastic trim on the case was not flush and quite flimsy.

I am not the only person to have seen issues with the quality. As Lian Li have reported to have fixed the quality issues on the k62.

http://www.techspot.com/review/191-lianli-lancool-k62-k56/

Maybe i should have said the quality control was sub par on the case. It is a decent case, its just for the price, there shouldnt be quality issues.
\m/
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 07:05:48
August 12 2011 06:59 GMT
#9546
Lian Li occasionally has bizarre case design decisions and they, unfortunately, haven't evolved outside some nifty tool-less designs. Personally, I'd actually opt for Silverstone or Corsair these days as they're at the very least trying to evolve elementary case design while maintaining solid steel construction.

Either way overtighting isn't anything new in computer chassis. Most of the time, they're tightened with machines and sometimes its enough to crack the acrylic. Its not something I would care too much about since the more quality control issues Lian Li has, the more money they lose...so you can assume that they would have resolved this problem already if it was ever a problem.

Anyway, that Thermaltake case isn't really something I would buy. On paper its a pretty sweet case but the flimsy plastic front coupled with 0.6mm steel isn't exactly a case that is robust or quiet. The Lancool, at the very least, opts to use 0.8mm steel and has some really sweet tool-less features.
Gattaca.usa
Profile Joined October 2010
131 Posts
August 12 2011 08:20 GMT
#9547
silverstone and corsair case are super expensive. I'm looking for a case with a couple of fans at around $70-$100
xAPOCALYPSEx
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
1418 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 08:30:15
August 12 2011 08:28 GMT
#9548
I have a HAF 922 myself and it's been awesome, though some don't like the look of it.

If you need fans though, it has plenty of room for fans

2x120mm on side, 1x200 on front, 1x120mm also in front if you place it in the drive bays (as long as you don't have more than 2 CD/DVD/BD drives, 1x200mm or 2x120mm on top, 1x120mm in back, 1x120mm on bottom.

I have all those slots except 1 in use and even at 3.8GHz my phenom ii 955 gets MAX 50C while running prime95 (with a Zalman CNPS10X Performa, mid-level aftermarket cooler)

my GTX 570 is always cool, even at its OC of 900/1800/1950 @ 1.075V, but I attribute that more to it's own custom fan curve than anything else. (though obviously the huge case and ridiculous airflow help)
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
August 12 2011 08:30 GMT
#9549
That's literally any computer case out there. Antec One Hundred, those Lancool cases, HAF 912, etc. Why are you thinking so much about this, its not difficult.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
August 12 2011 11:35 GMT
#9550
Why wouldn't he think about? Do you just throw a dice and pick one when chosing a case?
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 12:31:27
August 12 2011 12:13 GMT
#9551
"I'm looking for a case with a couple of fans at around $70-$100" is literally every case on the market. Unless you want something specific, that is room to hold 10 hard disks or fit HPTX motherboards, you pick a case that looks nice and can fit your computer components.

There isn't any cases out there that cut against the grain in terms of airflow, save for the Corsair 700/800D, Antec Performance One series, or those rotated motherboard Silverstone cases. All cases have the exact front/bottom intakes and top/rear exhaust model and will perform extremely similarly to each other.

My previous post might have been a bit rude but seriously there isn't much to think about when selecting cases with good airflow because gaming cases are pretty much the only cases sold in the DIY market. You could actually roll a die and come out with a satisfactory result because they're so similar these days.
Gattaca.usa
Profile Joined October 2010
131 Posts
August 12 2011 12:28 GMT
#9552
i just need to make the decision on my own lol. I pick one case, one person says no get this case. another person comes along and says no don't get that one get this one etc etc.


I'm just going to get the antec 300 illusion. it's cheap, has blue LEDs, good fans.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
August 12 2011 12:53 GMT
#9553
@womwomwom
That's true if that's the only thing he's looking for in a case. I was assuming there is a little more to it.
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 16:19:15
August 12 2011 16:18 GMT
#9554
I really like that Lian Li Lancool. If I were you, I'd get that. It looks AMAZING, and the fact Lian Li usualyl puts forward a pretty good amoutn of effort to get the airflow in there optimized and what not.

Plus, they're usually quieter without sacrtificing cooling ability.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
August 12 2011 16:30 GMT
#9555
I think the Lancool K62 uses the same fans (LEDs aside) as the K59 and other models?

Plugged normally into molex, with all four fans running at +12V, it won't be that quiet:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1206-page5.html

I guess you can run a couple off of the motherboard for fan speed control, but probably not all of them. This is kind of a side issue though, as I'm not sure if he would care about the noise. The type of sound is not that bad apparently anyway.
Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
August 12 2011 16:42 GMT
#9556
On August 12 2011 11:55 LazyMacro wrote:
skyR, with that ~$1000 build, when should I expect to no longer be able to run things on high settings? Three years? At that point, should I upgrade and build a new computer?

Edit: I'm not going to lie, I'm having second thoughts about it and I'm thinking maybe I should wait another week and do more research before I buy. Idk. :|


Newer and better technology is always right around the corner, you will end up waiting endlessly if you keep worrying.
As a (somewhat accurate) blanket statement, people should just get a PC that does what they want it to do now and in the near (foreseeable) future, while planning ahead so that it is relatively ugprade-able when it can no longer fit your wants 2-5 years from now (who knows how long before your components won't handle new games/stuff?). If you get an LGA 1155 motherboard, it should be able to support Ivy bridge processors, so you're probably "safe" for a good 5 years on that. The GPU can always be upgraded easily. Bigger and faster HDD/SSD are easy to add.
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
Arnovic
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands49 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 16:55:48
August 12 2011 16:48 GMT
#9557
Sup TL,

So for a while I've been thinking about building my very own pc which I'll be using for gaming (no really?) and some After Effects video editing. After researching on how to do it I made a list of my components.
Before I'll show the list I'm asking you if everything is right and all the parts are compatible with eachother since it's my first time building a pc Any tips / hints are welcome!
Also If i could/should spend less or more on some parts I'd like to know that as well and my final question is if I should buy some additional fans for inside my case.


The list:

+ Show Spoiler +


I've set my budget to € 800 and the total cost wil be around € 775. The site where I'll be ordering my parts is written in dutch but I tried to look for the links on newegg.com.
Concerning my screen I already own a 26 inch full hd LED tv / monitor so I'll be using the 1920 x 1080 resolution. Oh, and because I've got some money left I'd also like a good keyboard and mouse, but nothing too crazy expensive tough..

Case (€ 40,16)
Cooler Master Elite 430
Note: It looks nice with the window and the blu LED fan, and I heard that its big enough for bigger video cards.
http://azerty.nl/8-1044-321431/cooler-master-elite-430-midt.html
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119227&Tpk=Cooler Master Elite 430

Motherboard (€ 111,29)
Asus M5a99x EVO
Note: I chose a MB with a AMD 3+ socket so I can upgrade to a bulldozer processor, I dont really know much about motherboards.
Azerty
NewEgg

CPU (€ 123,86)
Quad-core 3.5 gHz AMD Phenom II x4 970
Note: No super expensive processor but quite a good one as far as I know. I chose for an AMD processor because they seem much cheaper than Intel processors and I heard that AMD processors are better for gaming (not sure tough).
Azerty
NewEgg

Storage (€ 68,50 + € 87,98) (2???? HDD & SSD?)
HDD 1 TB (Mass storage)
Azerty
NewEgg
SSD 60GB (for my OS) --> Heard it was smart to use 2 seperate disks for an OS and mass storage.
Azerty
NewEgg

Powersupply (€ 112,10)
Corsair Professional Series HX
Note: I'm pretty sure that this PSU has an 80+ certification.
Azerty
NewEgg

Optical Drive (€ 21,54)
LG GH24NS50 Super Multi
Note: I'm clueless on this one :/
Azerty
no newegg link available

Memory (€ 50,56)
8 gb 1600 mHz Corsair vengeance
Note: Looks cool with the rest of my PC and I chose for 8 GB because I render some visual graphics.
Azerty
NewEgg

GPU (€ 160,03)
Sapphire Radeon HD 6870
Azerty
NewEgg

In the future I'm probably going to upgrade my CPU (bulldozer????), GPU and RAM so I didnt go suuuuper overboard with those



Total cost: € 776,24

Thanks for reading this and see you on Bnet, Arnovic

PS. English isn't my first language so excuse me if there are some grammar problems


Edit: Why aren't the links working?? <---- Fixed
"Probes and Pylons, man. That's the key to life... and occasionally, to Starcraft 2"
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
August 12 2011 16:59 GMT
#9558
Speaking of cases, I'm a bit pissed at newegg. Antec Lanboy Air is running sub $100 now AMIR, I paid almost twice that for mine. Guess that's what I get for buying it before it refused to sell like they hoped.
CharlieBrownsc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada598 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 17:06:17
August 12 2011 17:03 GMT
#9559
On August 13 2011 01:48 Arnovic wrote:
Sup TL,

So for a while I've been thinking about building my very own pc which I'll be using for gaming (no really?) and some After Effects video editing. After researching on how to do it I made a list of my components.
Before I'll show the list I'm asking you if everything is right and all the parts are compatible with eachother since it's my first time building a pc Any tips / hints are welcome!
Also If i could/should spend less or more on some parts I'd like to know that as well and my final question is if I should buy some additional fans for inside my case.


The list:

+ Show Spoiler +


I've set my budget to € 800 and the total cost wil be around € 775. The site where I'll be ordering my parts is written in dutch but I tried to look for the links on newegg.com.
Concerning my screen I already own a 26 inch full hd LED tv / monitor so I'll be using the 1920 x 1080 resolution. Oh, and because I've got some money left I'd also like a good keyboard and mouse, but nothing too crazy expensive tough..

Case (€ 40,16)
Cooler Master Elite 430
Note: It looks nice with the window and the blu LED fan, and I heard that its big enough for bigger video cards.
http://azerty.nl/8-1044-321431/cooler-master-elite-430-midt.html
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119227&Tpk=Cooler Master Elite 430

Motherboard (€ 111,29)
Asus M5a99x EVO
Note: I chose a MB with a AMD 3+ socket so I can upgrade to a bulldozer processor, I dont really know much about motherboards.
Azerty
NewEgg

CPU (€ 123,86)
Quad-core 3.5 gHz AMD Phenom II x4 970
Note: No super expensive processor but quite a good one as far as I know. I chose for an AMD processor because they seem much cheaper than Intel processors and I heard that AMD processors are better for gaming (not sure tough).
Azerty
NewEgg

Storage (€ 68,50 + € 87,98) (2???? HDD & SSD?)
HDD 1 TB (Mass storage)
Azerty
NewEgg
SSD 60GB (for my OS) --> Heard it was smart to use 2 seperate disks for an OS and mass storage.
Azerty
NewEgg

Powersupply (€ 112,10)
Corsair Professional Series HX
Note: I'm pretty sure that this PSU has an 80+ certification.
Azerty
NewEgg

Optical Drive (€ 21,54)
LG GH24NS50 Super Multi
Note: I'm clueless on this one :/
Azerty
no newegg link available

Memory (€ 50,56)
8 gb 1600 mHz Corsair vengeance
Note: Looks cool with the rest of my PC and I chose for 8 GB because I render some visual graphics.
Azerty
NewEgg

GPU (€ 160,03)
Sapphire Radeon HD 6870
Azerty
NewEgg

In the future I'm probably going to upgrade my CPU (bulldozer????), GPU and RAM so I didnt go suuuuper overboard with those



Total cost: € 776,24

Thanks for reading this and see you on Bnet, Arnovic

PS. English isn't my first language so excuse me if there are some grammar problems


Edit: Why aren't the links working?? <---- Fixed


If you're so inclined to use a bulldozer when it comes out, why not wait the month? It comes out sept 16 I think, so as your build stands you'll be getting a proccesor that you intend to replace one month later

Your RAM seems expensive too. You could probably cut 10 bucks if you went with 1333mhz, there's almost no difference

And as to your comment on AMD being better than intel for gaming. That couldn't be more wrong. Intel currently beats AMD at every price point (spare some hexa-core situations). The Bulldozer is likely to actually be competitive, but if you're building now, go with intel.

ALso, 650W is too much, you'd be fine with 430 I think
SC2 ID: CharlieBrown.318, #1 bitbybit.Prime fan
Madoga
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 17:23:57
August 12 2011 17:04 GMT
#9560
@Arnovic
Dont really know why you went through the trouble of looking at newegg, since you're not buying from there and the price settings in the NA is different. Would allso be nice to know if you want to overclock and what your future plans are for your computer(SLI/CF, upgrade cycle and so on). Allso it would be nice to know what games you are planning to play and at what settings you want to play them.

- AMD is currently outperformed by intel and it looks like(not sure) bulldozer wont really change that. I think its better to just get an intel CPU. That will allso leave you the option to (most likely) upgrade to ivybridge in the future. So you'll have a better CPU right now and your ugprade options are most likely better. Another option is to just wait for bulldozen (not that long anymore) and see how it performse.

- MOBO will need to be an intell mobo. Which one depends on if you want to overclock

- Hdd, dont go for the vertex 2, they are nutoriously unreliable. go for the crucial m4 if you want something relatively cheap and reliable. You could allso get a slower(cheaper) HDD, since you allready have an SSD for your most important programs.

- That PSU is overkill and imo overpriced. There are better options and besides that 400-500W will be enough for the videocard you have sellected.

- You can just take a 18 euro dvd/rw optical drive.

- You can save 12 ish euro without losing much performance by just going for the cheapest 1333 mhz 8gb ram kit.

- Dont know exactly what your expectations are, but the 6870 is a good card.

- If you want to overclock I'd get an extra fan for that case (or get another case) + you'll need an aftermarket CPU cooler. For example the xigmatek gaia (Azerty just has them newly stocked)
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