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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
August 12 2010 04:43 GMT
#741
@Fiendish

CPU and Graphics Card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.442724
AMD Athlon II X3 440 Rana 3.0GHz
SAPPHIRE Vapor-X HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5
$209.98

Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/NewProduct.aspx?Item=N82E16813130275
MSI 870A-G54 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
$99.99

RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/NewProduct.aspx?Item=N82E16820231190
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666)
$84.99

Case and Power Supply:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.480177
SILVERSTONE PS05-B Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Tool-less Installation Design
SILVERSTONE ST50F-ES 500W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS
+ Free antistatic wristband Rosewill RTK-002 Anti-Static Wrist Strap
$89.98

Hard Drive and SATA Cable to connect:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.425802
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 RPM
Nippon Labs Premium 0.5M (1.64 ft.) SATA Cable with 2 Right Angle Connectors
$62.49

Optical Drive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/NewProduct.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289
LITE-ON CD/DVD Burner
$19.99 - $2.00 with EMCYWZY88 promo code ends 8/16

Subtotal: $567.42
MIRs: $10.00 for Motherboard
$10.00 for Case
$15.00 for Graphics Card
Tax and shipping is dependent on your location, so I'm not including that.

You can upgrade to an Phenom quad core (955) for $80 more.




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ReaverDrop!
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada81 Posts
August 12 2010 04:56 GMT
#742
Thanks for the advice Loser777! I have heard the onboard sound can be quite a pain and as for the intergrated graphics card in the motherboard, I'm just going to use that as a fallback in case by graphics card fails.

I don't know what a black edition is or what a freezer is but I assume that you mean my fan by freezer, do you think that it will be able to keep cool with all the fans from the cooler master alone or is the fan necessary?
Bloodninja, nuff said.
Loser777
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
1931 Posts
August 12 2010 04:59 GMT
#743
On August 12 2010 13:56 ReaverDrop! wrote:
Thanks for the advice Loser777! I have heard the onboard sound can be quite a pain and as for the intergrated graphics card in the motherboard, I'm just going to use that as a fallback in case by graphics card fails.

I don't know what a black edition is or what a freezer is but I assume that you mean my fan by freezer, do you think that it will be able to keep cool with all the fans from the cooler master alone or is the fan necessary?

Every processor comes with a heatsink + fan assembly that is commonly referred to as the cooler. Case fans are used to encourage circulation of air (to intake and to exhaust). The processor you bought comes with a cooler -the Arctic 64 Freezer you bought is a replacement cooler which you do not need. Overclockers often buy replacement coolers since the stock cooling is often inadequate when you overclock, but the Arctic Freezer you are buying isn't really any better than the stock cooling anyway. I was confused why you chose to buy it.
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ReaverDrop!
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada81 Posts
August 12 2010 05:11 GMT
#744
Thanks Loser777! I would've bought a useless fan without your help! I owe you one champ.
Bloodninja, nuff said.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-12 05:18:05
August 12 2010 05:16 GMT
#745
@ReaverDrop!, newer motherboards, although you didn't pick one, come with very good onboard audio nowadays. Also yes, the Arctic 64 isn't worth buying over the stock cooler that comes with your processor. If you were planning on purchasing an aftermarket cooler for you CPU I'd spend a bit more on something that is newer in technology.

I'm currently putting together a build that is more optimal for you budget. Hold on a bit

Are you planning on getting another GTX 460 in the future? If so that will require a motherboard that is SLI capable.
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-12 05:17:48
August 12 2010 05:17 GMT
#746
ReaverDtop:
Onboard sound is a pain in what way? Drivers or sound quality? Unless you have $100+ headphones, sensitive earphones, or equivalent quality speakers that take analog inputs, the onboard sound usually isn't going to be a problem (bottleneck, you could say) in terms of sound quality. Even then, some of the best onboard audio chipsets are about as good as the cheap sound cards. Lots of sound cards have driver issues too.

In any case, the Creative X-Fi cards are better if you need EAX positional audio, though recently EAX has been going out of favor. EAX is a proprietary product of Creative, so other cards are doing EAX emulation. In terms of value for money in terms of sound quality, the ASUS cards tend to be the best, though Auzentech is good too.

A 2.6 GHz Athlon II X4 might not be the best idea if your priority is gaming. Most games have trouble occupying a third core much, not to mention a fourth. A higher-clocked Athlon II X3 would be slightly better in games at the same or slightly less cost.

High-performance RAM has little benefits except in performance overclocking scenarios. The differences in functional RAM modules is pretty small, so you can just go with cheap 2x2 GB DDR3 RAM.

IMHO you might as well get a motherboard that supports USB3, since it's eventually going to be in widespread adoption. Of course, you can always get an expansion card for USB3 later. Your choice.

Also, you can get a lower-wattage PSU, which will save some money. 650W is about twice what those components use, realistically, so you can be safe with a decent 400W unit.

edit: looks like R04R to the rescue, nevermind
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
August 12 2010 05:20 GMT
#747
Yeah Arctic Freezer was good...back in 2005? I still have my AC64 box as a collector's item from the old days. Regarding the retail cooler - after hearing stories of it causing the 'sink/CPU to get stuck together, I would simply recommend wiping it and using something else.

Yeah, you mostly likely won't need to remove the CPU once it's installed, but if it ever comes down to that (or you're upgrading), I would say the trouble would be worth it.
With no power comes no responsibility?
ReaverDrop!
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada81 Posts
August 12 2010 05:32 GMT
#748
Wow thanks everyone for the great advice! mav451 thanks for letting me know about the cpu's problem and ro4r thanks for putting an optimal build together for me! Thanks myrmidon for letting me know about all the upgrades that I can get in comparison to the stuff I was thinking about before.
The problem with the sound on the motherboard is that it pops and crackles from time to time, this Eax enviromental sound stuff sounds pretty rad though!
Bloodninja, nuff said.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
August 12 2010 05:46 GMT
#749
Some motherboards or systems seem to have issues with onboard sound like video cards, hard drives, etc. causing EMI or something like that. Or maybe it's other components' activity causing significant power supply ripple that's being reproduced on the headphone out jack. It's either that or an inadequate audio buffer that's causing pops/crackles. In any case, try the sound on a new motherboard first. You can add in a cheap(er) sound card or an external USB sound card later if need be.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
August 12 2010 05:58 GMT
#750
CPU:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103808
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz
$161.90

Motherboard and RAM:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.461424
GIGABYTE GA-870A-UD3 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
Mushkin Enhanced Silverline 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666)
$182.98

Graphics Card:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127500
MSI R5850 Twin Frozr II Radeon HD 5850 (Cypress Pro) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5
$299.99

Power Supply:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207007
XFX P1-650X-CAH9 650W CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular
$99.99

Hard Drive:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 RPM
$64.99

Optical Drive:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289
LITE-ON CD/DVD Burner
$19.99

Extra SATA Cable for Hard Drive or Optical Drive:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812816033
Nippon Labs Premium 1M (3.28 ft.) SATA Cable with 2 right Angle Connectors
$3.99

Case:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129066
Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$54.99

Subtotal: $888.82
MIRs: $20.00 for the Graphics Card and $20.00 for the PSU

I don't know the shipping and tax costs for you, but this should be under $1100.
I was able to fit a 5850 and a Phenom II x4 quad core processor and still under the budget. You can probably upgrade the case for about $10~15 more for easier building and putting together.

I'd get this cooler
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118059
CNPS10x Performa for $37?! That's so cheap and way worth it. It's ~$50 in the US.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185142
Scythe Mugen for the same price, but I'd get the Performa instantly.
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
August 12 2010 06:05 GMT
#751
The HD 5850 is a bit overpriced for what it performs at (surprisingly)

A GTX 460 1GB or a GTX 470 1280MB is a better buy
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
ReaverDrop!
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada81 Posts
August 12 2010 06:08 GMT
#752
Wow Ro4R all this stuff is great and about 300$ cheaper than what I was going to pay! Thank you so much!

Just a couple of questions, I was really dead set on getting the cooler master http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119077 and since a good case is integral to a computer I was wondering if you recommend the Antec black steel over the cooler master?

Also I have no idea what an Extra SATA Cable does but I'm sure that by including it you have saved me from destroying myself in 4pool rush anger.

Finally I was wondering if there was a site which was good for explaining how to put a computer like this together?
Thanks again.
Bloodninja, nuff said.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-12 06:19:42
August 12 2010 06:15 GMT
#753
I know 460 is god-tier price/performance, but ~$50 more for about 5-10% more performance (and him not needing to overclock if he hits a wall in the 460), why not.

The Centurion doesn't look cool enough, no puns (but wait, which one does he mean then?). If you want to go Cooler Master I'd say CM690 II for better cable management and airflow(you really wanted that see-through panel didn't ya? If so, you can contact them directly and order one for about $20 for the CM690 II).

SATA Cable is to transfer information between your Hard drive and motherboard, or your optical drive and motherboard. The motherboard you're buying only comes with 1, so you need another for the other.
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ReaverDrop!
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada81 Posts
August 12 2010 06:43 GMT
#754
Thanks for taking into consideration my ability with no idea how to use overclocking R04R and your right about the Centurion not looking cool enough (hilarious pun lmao). I think that the Antec you suggested should be good enough since it is heralded as the perfect computer case!

See-through panels are gnarly and all but I'm thinking of getting a sweet spray/ LED modifications done to the exterior of this antec case and light it up like a Christmas tree.

I don't know how to thank you for your help but if you ever need anything pm me and I'll see what I can do!

Bloodninja, nuff said.
Humbug
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States264 Posts
August 12 2010 07:24 GMT
#755
So I'm considering picking up another hard drive before heading off to college, is there a reason as to why everyone seems to be using Samsung's Spinpoint over WD?
What is an angel? Show me an angel and I shall paint one
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-12 08:14:59
August 12 2010 08:09 GMT
#756
Cheaper (actually much cheaper right now for the 1tb version $60) vs. a $90 WD black 1tb and similar if not better performance. Although I believe WD beats it in some points; FragKrag knows. WD is still good, especially the 5 year warranties. Dem builds here are budget builds!

If you're going purely for storage in the 1.5tb or 2gb variation I'd pick up a WD Green
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Fiendish
Profile Joined April 2010
United States210 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-12 19:42:16
August 12 2010 19:32 GMT
#757
@RO4R and Loser777
Thank you so much!!
I guess the last question I have for now is, what monitor should I get? for around $70-$80?
Can you get a decent monitor for that price?

Edit: Also what case is easiest for building? as I am very inexperienced
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
August 12 2010 20:04 GMT
#758
Samsung's Spinpoint F3 is cheaper (much cheaper), has same capacity and better sequential reads and writes. The WD Black wins on access times, though not by too much to justify a $30-40 premium.

The CM 690 II is a fairly easy case to build in, and I don't think you can get a monitor for around $70-80 and be satisfied. Downgrade the GPU to the GTX 460, and spend the extra money on the monitor.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
darkponcho
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States262 Posts
August 12 2010 20:05 GMT
#759
On August 13 2010 04:32 Fiendish wrote:
@RO4R and Loser777
Thank you so much!!
I guess the last question I have for now is, what monitor should I get? for around $70-$80?
Can you get a decent monitor for that price?

Edit: Also what case is easiest for building? as I am very inexperienced


All cases are usually the same in terms of user friendliness, though some have "no-tool" systems where basically you don't even need a screwdriver to setup. I used the thermaltake element g, and it was my first computer I ever built, took me about 4 hours but that's because I had to troubleshoot in the end because my motherboard power cable was loose and didn't realize it ><. Coolermaster, thermaltake, and antec are three brands I'd recommend.

As for monitor, I doubt you can find a good LCD for that price, I think even 17" LCDs are around $90-$100. I would save up for a 22".
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
August 12 2010 20:10 GMT
#760
I have to say that Thermaltake have some of the ugliest cases known to man -_-
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
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