• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:06
CEST 11:06
KST 18:06
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists14[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy21
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers11Maestros of the Game 2 announced32026 GSL Tour plans announced11Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid21
StarCraft 2
General
MaNa leaves Team Liquid 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued
Tourneys
GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding 2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) SEL Doubles (SC Evo Bimonthly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Data needed ASL21 General Discussion Pros React To: Tulbo in Ro.16 Group A RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro16 Group A [ASL21] Ro16 Group B
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Reappraising The Situation T…
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1794 users

Computer Build Resource Thread - Page 364

Forum Index > Tech Support
Post a Reply
Prev 1 362 363 364 365 366 1626 Next
When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
June 22 2011 21:23 GMT
#7261
On June 22 2011 19:02 EtherealDeath wrote:
Oh so that's why they are so damn expensive now... the bitcoiners -_-


lol, well with the difficulty increases and the price drops, I bet if you can wait 2-3 months, you will find a FLOOD of 5xxx series cards for sale on ebay. My money is on getting 5870s for around $100.
dirkaderk
Profile Joined December 2010
United States26 Posts
June 22 2011 23:13 GMT
#7262
Hey, getting around to ordering my parts for a new build, hung on which p67 board to get. On Newegg, many leading mobo manufacturers have horrible reviews (ASUS/MSI etc). I was wondering which mobo would be the best in terms of overclocking, reliability, (having at leaast 2 pci-e slots), and warranty. Thanks very much for your time!
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 23:29:45
June 22 2011 23:29 GMT
#7263
Are you looking for two PCI-E slots to do SLI? ASUS offers the best in terms of post sale support with their P8P67 Pro, Deluxe, Sabertooth and Maximus boards due to its advanced RMA option. The Sabertooth has a five year warranty as opposed to three found on the other boards.

The Gigabyte Z68 UD7 offers the most phases with the Maximus and UD5 in second.
dirkaderk
Profile Joined December 2010
United States26 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 23:38:07
June 22 2011 23:36 GMT
#7264
Is there really a reason to pay such a premium on Deluxe/sabertooth/maxi? After reading the comments on the boards I'm wary of buying from them... Also I forgot to mention my 150-200 dollar price point for a mobo, apologies! And I want the option open to pop in a second 560Ti in case BF3 is harsher on the system than expected. As much as I would like to just buy a really nice single card now, I'd rather wait and see if I can get away with just the 560ti, then SLI if needed.
Kezzer
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1268 Posts
June 22 2011 23:38 GMT
#7265
On June 22 2011 18:39 EtherealDeath wrote:
New current build:

So here's my current build... unless I decide to cointoss the open box mobo cause holy shit is that a huge discount.

MB: MSI P67A-G45 Price w/ CPU

CPU: i5-2500k $332.98 with motherboard

GPU: HIS Radeon 6870 $164.99

RAM: GSkill 8gb $64.99

HDD: Samsung f3 1tb $64.99

Case: Rosewill Destroyer $49.99

PSU: XFX 450W XFX 650W $44.99

CD/DVD: Some random LiteOn $18.99

Wireless: Some Rosewill $24.99

Total: $766.91

If I recall correctly I can deactivate windows on my current desktop and use its key for my new desktop? If not I will just get windows from my uni or whatever so no OS cost there. I might go up to $900 or so if there is some amazing performance upgrade... though I think I have to buy cables too.


yeah, basically only time you have to worry about using a key multiple times is if 2 computers are simultaneously connected to the internet off of the same product key
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 22 2011 23:39 GMT
#7266
On June 23 2011 08:36 dirkaderk wrote:
Is there really a reason to pay such a premium on Deluxe/sabertooth/maxi? After reading the comments on the boards I'm wary of buying from them... Also I forgot to mention my 150-200 dollar price point for a mobo, apologies!


If you're reading newegg reviews for more than an idea of what variety of DOA's a model is known for, you're doing it wrong. Statistics are skewed due to people being more likely to post bad feedback than good.
dirkaderk
Profile Joined December 2010
United States26 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 23:42:09
June 22 2011 23:41 GMT
#7267
On June 23 2011 08:39 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 08:36 dirkaderk wrote:
Is there really a reason to pay such a premium on Deluxe/sabertooth/maxi? After reading the comments on the boards I'm wary of buying from them... Also I forgot to mention my 150-200 dollar price point for a mobo, apologies!


If you're reading newegg reviews for more than an idea of what variety of DOA's a model is known for, you're doing it wrong. Statistics are skewed due to people being more likely to post bad feedback than good.


Indeed I agree with the statement, but wouldn't that be fairly normalized across the board? Looks like Gigabyte and asrock have higher ratings despite people being "more likely" to post negative feedback

ps. epic sig hahahaha
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 23:46:01
June 22 2011 23:44 GMT
#7268
On June 23 2011 08:41 dirkaderk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 08:39 JingleHell wrote:
On June 23 2011 08:36 dirkaderk wrote:
Is there really a reason to pay such a premium on Deluxe/sabertooth/maxi? After reading the comments on the boards I'm wary of buying from them... Also I forgot to mention my 150-200 dollar price point for a mobo, apologies!


If you're reading newegg reviews for more than an idea of what variety of DOA's a model is known for, you're doing it wrong. Statistics are skewed due to people being more likely to post bad feedback than good.


Indeed I agree with the statement, but wouldn't that be fairly normalized across the board? Looks like Gigabyte and asrock have higher ratings despite people being "more likely" to post negative feedback

ps. epic sig hahahaha


Not really, because the things that motivate people to sign in and trash the boards can be a lot of factors, including getting someone who doesn't speak their language when they call customer service, or how spectacular the DOA is.

Plus, certain brands and price points are going to attract different tech levels of purchasers, who will have done varying amounts of research on their boards, which will skew what people are going to bother signing in to complain about.

Basically, I'm just trying to impress on you that there's no rhyme or reason to it.
dirkaderk
Profile Joined December 2010
United States26 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 23:47:56
June 22 2011 23:46 GMT
#7269
On June 23 2011 08:44 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 08:41 dirkaderk wrote:
On June 23 2011 08:39 JingleHell wrote:
On June 23 2011 08:36 dirkaderk wrote:
Is there really a reason to pay such a premium on Deluxe/sabertooth/maxi? After reading the comments on the boards I'm wary of buying from them... Also I forgot to mention my 150-200 dollar price point for a mobo, apologies!


If you're reading newegg reviews for more than an idea of what variety of DOA's a model is known for, you're doing it wrong. Statistics are skewed due to people being more likely to post bad feedback than good.


Indeed I agree with the statement, but wouldn't that be fairly normalized across the board? Looks like Gigabyte and asrock have higher ratings despite people being "more likely" to post negative feedback

ps. epic sig hahahaha


Not really, because the things that motivate people to sign in and trash the boards can be a lot of factors, including getting someone who doesn't speak their language when they call customer service, or how spectacular the DOA is.

Plus, certain brands and price points are going to attract different tech levels of purchasers, who will have done varying amounts of research on their boards, which will skew what people are going to bother signing in to complain about.

Basically, I'm just trying to impress on you that there's no rhyme or reason to it.


Okay that makes sense then, so which board would you have in the 150-200 price range with the option to sli and a decent warranty as well as being a good overclocker?
protheros
Profile Joined August 2010
Portugal53 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 00:09:48
June 23 2011 00:08 GMT
#7270
Hi guys!

So, I really need some help building a computer from scratch. I finally finished high school two months ago and I have been working and saving money since, barely wasted any money at all. Just so I can buy a decent computer. (I have an 8 year old machine.)

I have a 1000€ budget and the main objective for the computer is gaming.
Also, should I save some of the 1000€ to buy a widescreen HD monitor?

I think this is the right thread to make this post, if it isn't please direct me to the right one.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11562 Posts
June 23 2011 01:21 GMT
#7271
On June 23 2011 08:36 dirkaderk wrote:
Is there really a reason to pay such a premium on Deluxe/sabertooth/maxi? After reading the comments on the boards I'm wary of buying from them... Also I forgot to mention my 150-200 dollar price point for a mobo, apologies! And I want the option open to pop in a second 560Ti in case BF3 is harsher on the system than expected. As much as I would like to just buy a really nice single card now, I'd rather wait and see if I can get away with just the 560ti, then SLI if needed.


what settings do you plan on running BF3 at?

I'm more than 99% sure a single GTX 560 Ti will run BF3 at max settings.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 01:32:31
June 23 2011 01:28 GMT
#7272
The Frostbite engines are more on the CPU intensive side. All those calculations with the destructibles and whatnot, the 560 Ti is enough.

edit: Repeating words lovely.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Uhh Negative
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1090 Posts
June 23 2011 01:44 GMT
#7273
Ugh, I'm really frustrated right now. I've been getting a lot of BSOD and it only occurs after I've been playing a game for 20 minutes to an hour. All my drivers are up to date and so is my BIOS. Not sure really what to do. I'm thinking about reinstalling Win7 and just trying again.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11562 Posts
June 23 2011 01:47 GMT
#7274
Have you checked the temperatures your computer is getting to?
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Uhh Negative
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1090 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 02:05:16
June 23 2011 02:03 GMT
#7275
On June 23 2011 10:47 FragKrag wrote:
Have you checked the temperatures your computer is getting to?

Temps are fine. Everything stays below 65 under load. Everything runs fine until I play a game for a while. Furmark actually runs fine too.

And actually, my GPU drivers actually aren't up to date I have found out. Checking that out immediately.
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 02:21:39
June 23 2011 02:19 GMT
#7276
On June 23 2011 11:03 Uhh Negative wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 10:47 FragKrag wrote:
Have you checked the temperatures your computer is getting to?

Temps are fine. Everything stays below 65 under load. Everything runs fine until I play a game for a while. Furmark actually runs fine too.

And actually, my GPU drivers actually aren't up to date I have found out. Checking that out immediately.


Are you OCing? I noticed you mentioned crashing in TF2. Source engine games are very lenient on unstable OCs, and if you're crashing in that, something isn't right. Now if you're stock, and BSODing, try verify if it's giving the same error message (which would suggest hardware) or if it's a different message everytime.
With no power comes no responsibility?
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 23 2011 02:28 GMT
#7277
On June 23 2011 08:46 dirkaderk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 08:44 JingleHell wrote:
On June 23 2011 08:41 dirkaderk wrote:
On June 23 2011 08:39 JingleHell wrote:
On June 23 2011 08:36 dirkaderk wrote:
Is there really a reason to pay such a premium on Deluxe/sabertooth/maxi? After reading the comments on the boards I'm wary of buying from them... Also I forgot to mention my 150-200 dollar price point for a mobo, apologies!


If you're reading newegg reviews for more than an idea of what variety of DOA's a model is known for, you're doing it wrong. Statistics are skewed due to people being more likely to post bad feedback than good.


Indeed I agree with the statement, but wouldn't that be fairly normalized across the board? Looks like Gigabyte and asrock have higher ratings despite people being "more likely" to post negative feedback

ps. epic sig hahahaha


Not really, because the things that motivate people to sign in and trash the boards can be a lot of factors, including getting someone who doesn't speak their language when they call customer service, or how spectacular the DOA is.

Plus, certain brands and price points are going to attract different tech levels of purchasers, who will have done varying amounts of research on their boards, which will skew what people are going to bother signing in to complain about.

Basically, I'm just trying to impress on you that there's no rhyme or reason to it.


Okay that makes sense then, so which board would you have in the 150-200 price range with the option to sli and a decent warranty as well as being a good overclocker?


I'd stick with skyR's advice, IMO. About the only place I might top him knowledge-wise is personal experience with stuff I've used and he hasn't, and even then he's going to know enough to not steer someone wrong.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 23 2011 02:55 GMT
#7278
On June 23 2011 09:08 protheros wrote:
Hi guys!

So, I really need some help building a computer from scratch. I finally finished high school two months ago and I have been working and saving money since, barely wasted any money at all. Just so I can buy a decent computer. (I have an 8 year old machine.)

I have a 1000€ budget and the main objective for the computer is gaming.
Also, should I save some of the 1000€ to buy a widescreen HD monitor?

I think this is the right thread to make this post, if it isn't please direct me to the right one.


Specify which retailers you are able to buy from and someone here will put together a configuration for you that fits your wants and needs.

On June 23 2011 08:46 dirkaderk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 08:44 JingleHell wrote:
On June 23 2011 08:41 dirkaderk wrote:
On June 23 2011 08:39 JingleHell wrote:
On June 23 2011 08:36 dirkaderk wrote:
Is there really a reason to pay such a premium on Deluxe/sabertooth/maxi? After reading the comments on the boards I'm wary of buying from them... Also I forgot to mention my 150-200 dollar price point for a mobo, apologies!


If you're reading newegg reviews for more than an idea of what variety of DOA's a model is known for, you're doing it wrong. Statistics are skewed due to people being more likely to post bad feedback than good.


Indeed I agree with the statement, but wouldn't that be fairly normalized across the board? Looks like Gigabyte and asrock have higher ratings despite people being "more likely" to post negative feedback

ps. epic sig hahahaha


Not really, because the things that motivate people to sign in and trash the boards can be a lot of factors, including getting someone who doesn't speak their language when they call customer service, or how spectacular the DOA is.

Plus, certain brands and price points are going to attract different tech levels of purchasers, who will have done varying amounts of research on their boards, which will skew what people are going to bother signing in to complain about.

Basically, I'm just trying to impress on you that there's no rhyme or reason to it.


Okay that makes sense then, so which board would you have in the 150-200 price range with the option to sli and a decent warranty as well as being a good overclocker?


The major three (MSI, Gigabyte, ASUS) all provide a three year warranty on their higher end motherboards. Only ASUS offers the option of Advanced RMA. So if good is defined by Advanaced RMA, ASUS is your choice. I had problems with my ASUS b2 board but I still recommend them.

These are basically your options in the $150 - $200 range.

ASUS P8P67 Pro or Z68-V Pro
MSI P67 GD65 or GD55
Gigabyte P67 UD4 or UD3P

I guess there's EVGA too but their boards are a mystery to me since they were so late to the party and their boards are still non existant at most retailers and review websites.

You better be aimming for a 5GHz or higher overclock if you are spending almost $200 on a board. Many of the lower end boards are capable of SLI and also very capable overclockers.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 23 2011 03:04 GMT
#7279
^ I'm massively satisfied with my EVGA board, but it's also X58, so grain of salt that shit.

Also, I'm currently at 3.8Ghz on a 930, with SLI. And anyways, anybody who bought X58 and didn't buy higher end enthusiast brands was kind of a moron IMHO since it's an enthusiast chipset.

EVGA also has amazing tech support/customer service. I've called them for all sorts of stuff, including "hey, speedfan is showing me a temp on this particular chip, and I can't find any good info on Google", or a missing memory channel from a CPU unseating, 10pm on a Saturday night, no hold time, guy spoke English, and went above and beyond telling me to check the FAQ and email them about an RMA if it didn't work.

That said, you DO pay a premium for their stuff, but the quality is generally good and the support/warranty are good.
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 03:36:43
June 23 2011 03:35 GMT
#7280
Hah I successfully closed on a few eVGA mobo sales for MC during the Lynnfield release. I think my second skill is having a silver tongue when it comes to face-to-face interactions. I don't even work for MC, but that's just me spreading the love for Lynnfield in 2009.

That said, I wonder how much legitimacy there is for rumors last year of former eVGA mobo engineers going to Sapphire. There was never really an official corroboration on the matter, and the only press release from eVGA dodged this direct question.
With no power comes no responsibility?
Prev 1 362 363 364 365 366 1626 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 54m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Zeus 399
Pusan 286
actioN 205
Larva 192
Backho 142
EffOrt 88
ggaemo 75
Sharp 72
Aegong 70
Hm[arnc] 37
[ Show more ]
Mini 24
Bale 17
NotJumperer 15
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm168
League of Legends
JimRising 622
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King177
Westballz41
Other Games
gofns9601
singsing1034
Pyrionflax152
Trikslyr27
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream6007
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream5843
Other Games
gamesdonequick728
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 35
• Light_VIP 26
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1187
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
54m
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
1h 54m
SC Evo League
4h 24m
IPSL
6h 54m
WolFix vs nOmaD
dxtr13 vs Razz
BSL
9h 54m
UltrA vs KwarK
Gosudark vs cavapoo
dxtr13 vs HBO
Doodle vs Razz
Patches Events
12h 54m
CranKy Ducklings
14h 54m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
1d 1h
Ladder Legends
1d 5h
[ Show More ]
BSL
1d 9h
StRyKeR vs rasowy
Artosis vs Aether
JDConan vs OyAji
Hawk vs izu
IPSL
1d 9h
JDConan vs TBD
Aegong vs rasowy
Replay Cast
1d 23h
Wardi Open
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Bisu vs Ample
Jaedong vs Flash
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Barracks vs Leta
Royal vs Light
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
KCM Race Survival
5 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Escore
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W3
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W4
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.