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Hey again, thanks to Womwomwom who helped me before. I did what you said I should do, except I got a different case, cause I needed USB 3.0. So here it is:
+ Show Spoiler +Intel Core i7 2600K- $325 G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-10666CL9D-8GBXL (2x4GB) DDR3- $95 EVGA GeForce GTX 580- $549 ASUS P8P67 LE Motherboard B3- $149 Antec High Current Gamer 750W Power Supply HCG-750- $149 Thermaltake Black Chaser MK-I Full Tower- $179 NZXT 200mm Rifle Bearing Fan- $25 OCZ Vertex 2 120GB SSD- $219 Western Digital Green 2TB WD20EARX- $89 Logitech G500 Laser Gaming Mouse- $79 Microsoft Sidewinder X4 Keyboard- $39 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit with SP1 OEM- $105 TP-Link TL-WN951N Wireless N PCI Adapter- $39 ASUS VE248H 24" Widescreen LED Monitor- $225 LG GH22NS70 22x DVD-RW Drive Retail- $39 Total: $2305 http://www.pccasegear.com/
I need to buy this computer fairly soon, so I was wondering if I could get some replies soon. Firstly, I actually want to spend that amount of money on the computer. So please don't tell me it's a waste of money. I want this computer to last for at least 2-3 years, maybe even 4.
Secondly, I'm definitely going to overclock it, probably not as soon as I get it, but sometime while I have it, and I may move into SLI later on as well.
I might also be running this computer on my 30 something inch TV screen, and I might be adding a second bigger monitor later when I get more money.
Is there anywhere I should move money from and anywhere I should move money into? I'm not too sure if that case is good either, I couldn't find any reviews on it, but on face value it seems pretty good. And is the cooling enough for it at the moment? I know I might need a water cooling system when I'm overclocking it or if I go for SLI, but do I need one for the system running regularly?
All prices are off of http://www.pccasegear.com/ Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to everyone that posts on this thread, you're all amazing 
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If you're spending $180 on a case and worried about cooling and/or noise, RV02 is an awesome buy.
And I have to ask... what do you need USB 3 for?
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Yeah, I was thinking of getting that case, they're supposedly amazing cases, but I want USB 3.0.Thanks anyways I wanted USB 3.0 cause I thought it was starting to get more common, is it?
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Hmmmmmmm, that's a good point, I'm a bit shaky with choosing the case, I don't really know too much about them. I would like to get the RV02, but it only has 2 USB ports, and I know that I could circumvent this by using cables, but wouldn't that start to get really annoying after a while? The case that's on that list has 4 USB ports, which was one of the reasons I was buying it, but if it wouldn't be that annoying with the cables, I might get the RV02. What do you think?
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Ok, found a review, apparently they actually used motherboard headers in that thermaltake case for USB3.0, one of the first.
You should have plenty of USB on the motherboard I/O panel for your peripherals, how many devices do you need to be able to plug/unplug on a regular basis at the same time, like cameras or thumb drives? That's where the front case USB ports matter.
As far as cooling on the thermaltake, I can't find a review from a site I know is reliable, so I can't be sure if it's competitive, but it should be at least decent. Since your case is an aesthetic choice as well, I can't just dump benchmarks in your lap and tell you you're crazy not to pick X over Y, unless you said all you cared about was acoustics or cooling.
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No its still a waste of money, I can assure you if you spend $250 on a GPU and get a new $250 GPU two years later, you will save more money and get more performance in the long run. Same goes for the i7 processor.
Futureproofing doesn't work at all because of Moore's Law. Don't bother trying it, you can try and justify it to yourself but ultimately it is actually a real waste of money. If you want to spend money, buy a mechanical keyboard, a comfy mouse like one of those RAT adjustable mice, and a really good monitor because none of that gear is going to be replaced by significantly better gear in a period of 2 years, let alone 5 years.
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Nah, I honestly don't care about the look of the case, that was just because it was the only case I could find with 4 usb ports. I don't think I will have too many things to plug and unplug, so I think I'll go with the RV02, it's got a ton of good reviews. Where should I put in an additional fan, if I need one?
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Futureproofing works to an extent. My i7 930 is much more futureproof than my wife's e7600 that she got around the same time, because she has a degree in IT and knows what hardware she needs best. (Funny how she can't max SC2, even though her graphics card is up to the job...)
The key to "futureproof" is that it requires compromise. And if you get used to not having to compromise with a powerful rig, odds are you won't enjoy doing it later when your PC can't quite keep up anymore.
On June 06 2011 22:32 geethy wrote:
Nah, I honestly don't care about the look of the case, that was just because it was the only case I could find with 4 usb ports. I don't think I will have too many things to plug and unplug, so I think I'll go with the RV02, it's got a ton of good reviews. Where should I put in an additional fan, if I need one?
Cross that bridge when you come to it, IMHO. Odds are you won't need one, and if you do, airflow is kinda a complicated subject.
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You don't need any fans for the Silverstone cases, all fan slots are already filled out.
How exactly is a i7 930 futureproof? It isn't, the minute LGA1156 got released people who got it for performance alone and not tri/quad GPU systems looked mighty silly when it couldn't beat the i5 750 in single threaded performance.
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@womwomwom, I don't want to get a bigger monitor, I'm completely fine with a 24 inch, I might get another one later. but the mouse and keyboard seems good. Are the RAT mice worth the money? And is the Razer BlackWidow good?
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People seem to like the RAT mice a lot even if they don't like how it looks, I don't really bother with mice anymore since the Magic Trackpad is better at desktop management than a mouse can ever be. People seem to like the Razer BlackWidow too, you might want to check out the keyboard thread in this subforum for more information.
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On June 06 2011 22:40 geethy wrote:
@womwomwom, I don't want to get a bigger monitor, I'm completely fine with a 24 inch, I might get another one later. but the mouse and keyboard seems good. Are the RAT mice worth the money? And is the Razer BlackWidow good?
The RAT mice are slightly twitchy in the sensor, I have one, and I'm not sure if it's dust, or what, but it occasionally freaks out for a few seconds and loses an axis of travel.
On the other hand, it's incredibly comfortable, if slightly heavy.
Blackwidow is supposed to be a decent mechanical keyboard, not great, but cheaper than most.
On June 06 2011 22:34 Womwomwom wrote:
You don't need any fans for the Silverstone cases, all fan slots are already filled out.
How exactly is a i7 930 futureproof? It isn't, the minute LGA1156 got released people who got it for performance alone and not tri/quad GPU systems looked mighty silly when it couldn't beat the i5 750 in single threaded performance.
You missed an important word there. "More" futureproof. Futureproof isn't hard and fast, which is why it doesn't really exist in hardware. It's a more or less thing. More than X, less than Y. And trust me, my 930 is more futureproof than my wife's e7600. Stupid thing should have come in a cracker jack box, not an Intel one.
That's why the 2600k is a terrible futureproofing choice, because it's not really more futureproof than a 2500k, unless threading starts to actually matter sometime soon.
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Ok then, I did what you guys told me, I switched to the i5 2500k and I dropped the graphics to the ASUS GeForce GTX 570 DirectCU II 1280MB, which is 400 bucks. I then changed the case to the RV02, the Mouse to the Saitek Cyborg R.A.T. 9 Gaming Mouse, which is $179, and the keyboard to the Das Keyboard Model S Professional, which is $139. And now I'm about $50 bucks cheaper, which is good, thanks guys anything else I need to worry about?
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Well of course its more future proof, wasn't the E7600 only $160 back in the day? That's like half the price ignoring the motherboard cost...
Here is an example build that isn't half bad:
![[image loading]](http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/6599/examplebuild.jpg)
I assure you, the money you save on not getting a GTX580 and i7 will mean you can just slot in an Ivy Bridge processor and 28nm GPU next year.
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Damn, can't see the pic :/ Also, is that motherboard on there good enough?
EDIT, nvm
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On June 06 2011 21:55 geethy wrote:Hey again, thanks to Womwomwom who helped me before. I did what you said I should do, except I got a different case, cause I needed USB 3.0. So here it is: + Show Spoiler +Intel Core i7 2600K- $325 G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-10666CL9D-8GBXL (2x4GB) DDR3- $95 EVGA GeForce GTX 580- $549 ASUS P8P67 LE Motherboard B3- $149 Antec High Current Gamer 750W Power Supply HCG-750- $149 Thermaltake Black Chaser MK-I Full Tower- $179 NZXT 200mm Rifle Bearing Fan- $25 OCZ Vertex 2 120GB SSD- $219 Western Digital Green 2TB WD20EARX- $89 Logitech G500 Laser Gaming Mouse- $79 Microsoft Sidewinder X4 Keyboard- $39 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit with SP1 OEM- $105 TP-Link TL-WN951N Wireless N PCI Adapter- $39 ASUS VE248H 24" Widescreen LED Monitor- $225 LG GH22NS70 22x DVD-RW Drive Retail- $39 Total: $2305 http://www.pccasegear.com/I need to buy this computer fairly soon, so I was wondering if I could get some replies soon. Firstly, I actually want to spend that amount of money on the computer. So please don't tell me it's a waste of money. I want this computer to last for at least 2-3 years, maybe even 4. Secondly, I'm definitely going to overclock it, probably not as soon as I get it, but sometime while I have it, and I may move into SLI later on as well. I might also be running this computer on my 30 something inch TV screen, and I might be adding a second bigger monitor later when I get more money. Is there anywhere I should move money from and anywhere I should move money into? I'm not too sure if that case is good either, I couldn't find any reviews on it, but on face value it seems pretty good. And is the cooling enough for it at the moment? I know I might need a water cooling system when I'm overclocking it or if I go for SLI, but do I need one for the system running regularly? All prices are off of http://www.pccasegear.com/ Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to everyone that posts on this thread, you're all amazing
Why are you pairing a super high end component like an i7-2600k with a P8P67 LE? The LE has extremely limited overclocking potential. At least step that up to a P8P67 since you don't want to hear that an i5-2500k will do you just as well.
Power supply seems pretty expensive for what it is, and the RAM is pretty expensive as well (even though personally I <3 G Skill Ripjaws X).
If you're going to spend $200 on a SSD, at least get one that can work with SATA 3 (with faster read/write speeds). The Crucial C300 is regularly on sale for about $200 and performs better (with better reliability) than that OCZ.
Last place you could save money is by going to digital rive rand getting windows for $30 if you still have access to a .edu address (from when you were a student).
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This is Australia. If you're finding C300s for $200, hook me up because holy shit that's a good price.
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His pricing is cause it's Australia, lee. I did the same thing when he first asked.
On June 06 2011 23:00 Womwomwom wrote:
Well of course its more future proof, wasn't the E7600 only $160 back in the day? That's like half the price ignoring the motherboard cost...
And the only point I was trying to make is that futureproof isn't a terrible concept, but only when weighed. If you compare two products, you can determine which should last longer, but you can't take a single component, and expect it to be futureproof just because it's super expensive.
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Hey guys,
My computer is getting old (3-4 years) and I'm forced to play sc2 in low settings (or at max between low/mid) so I felt like it was the time to build a new one but.. I'm a total newbie with these kind of things.
I never built a computer before but this time I'm willing to spend some time learning how to do so.
Anyway, since I don't know much about where to start from, I found this little guide that you guys probably already know about :
http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af150/The_FalconO6/CurrentLogicalPCBuyingGuide/Guide.png
But I already don't know which build I should be aiming for..
Basically, I'm looking to be able to run sc2 at max settings (since I don't think it requires that much of a good comp?) and stream + do others random things, no professional usage whatsoever.
I wish to be able to use it for 3 to 4 years (knowing of course that I will have to use medium to low settings for games by this time)
About my monitor.. I'm clueless, how should I know if there's a reason to upgrade it ? At the moment, I'm using a 22'' Philips 220WS8FB which is also 3-4 years old
I don't have a specific budget, I just want a build that meets what I'm looking for. I would guess/hope that it will be between 800-1000$ (without OS, mouse, keyboard, etc) (excellent-outstanding build on the guide?) I don't want anything "overkill" that I will have no use for anyway.
I apologize for being that much of a noob, I hope I'm not asking too much, I'm also sorry for my poor english (not my first language), hopefully it is still understandable.
I hope you guys can give me some answers and guide me a little bit in my way to build my first comp!
If you have any advice/warning, feel free to share aswell
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