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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
June 05 2011 17:18 GMT
#6341
hm, gonna put this here instead of a new thread

i am currently running on
Coolermaster 330 (3 cooler instalt)
phenom 955 (no oc) (arctic freezing pro 7 rev.2)
gtx460 768mb (asus directcu heatsink)

and as the weather gets pretty hot these days i turned on speedfan to see how my temperatures are going.

in january the cpu and gpu were pretty good with gpu not going over 50° and cpu was idle 29° and in sc2 on load 41° but today as i wanted to check it has gone up around 12 degrees each (cpu was at 53°.

i know that the phenom is able to handle that temperature but i am worried about when it gets real hot in summer so my question is:

does any other heatsink for the cpu get me noticable better cooling for the cpu?
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 05 2011 17:48 GMT
#6342
Here's to give you an idea: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1198-page5.html

Note that the Freezer 7 Pro is worse than the Extreme.
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
June 05 2011 20:01 GMT
#6343
thanks, seems like my cpu heatsink is rather bad ^_- i kinda know that the scythe mugen 2 is pretty awesome but i need to remove my mainboard to install it. is there any good "easy to install" heatsink which is really good compared to the freezer 7 pro?
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-05 20:06:19
June 05 2011 20:04 GMT
#6344
On June 06 2011 05:01 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
thanks, seems like my cpu heatsink is rather bad ^_- i kinda know that the scythe mugen 2 is pretty awesome but i need to remove my mainboard to install it. is there any good "easy to install" heatsink which is really good compared to the freezer 7 pro?


Most good heatsinks will require removing your motherboard if there isn't a cutout on your mobo tray in your case.

Good cooling is worth some effort though, especially if you live somewhere hot. Some not so good or ok coolers can actually be improved with just a better fan though. My hyper 212+, moving to a miserly Antec Tricool from the stock fan that came with it, I'm getting the same temps at 200 RPM slower on the fan at load. That's some decent thermal headroom, and with a bad fan to decent fan upgrade. If I hadn't been feeling lazy, I could have ordered better, instead of just buying at my local fry's.
Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
June 05 2011 20:12 GMT
#6345
I've been running an HIS 6850 IceQ x Turbo with an i3-2100 setup and a 380w. Using basic essentials and a bunch of USB powered audio gear

GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161363
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033&Tpk=380d

Would it be safe to permanently leave this card at max overclock (900 mhz on catalyst control center)? I've seen reviews that push the card over 1000mhz but it looks like more of a one time thing when they do that.

To be more specific, Is there anything I should watch for as a warning sign that I need to turn down the OC? What about ram overclocking, I've read that it's possible to damage the card above a 1150 mhz ram overclock (CCC goes up to 1250), what's the correct way to go about finding a permanent OC setting (or should I just leave it at the factory default OC for general use?)
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 05 2011 20:25 GMT
#6346
If you're not getting artifacts or crashes and your load temperatures are reasonable than your overclock is fine. You don't risk damaging the component by running at a higher frequency unless the temperature gets out of control or you are increasing the voltage.
Adicon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States22 Posts
June 06 2011 03:09 GMT
#6347
First, I would like to thank everyone who consistently posts in this thread. I have been reading through quite a bit of it and am very impressed. A lot of excellent knowledge and helpfulness going around. Its freakin awesome to see.

So, I am graduating from college this term and looking to build a new computer. I would like to keep it fairly cheap (< $700). I would like to be able to run any current game at full settings if possible. I would like this to last me at least 4 years if that seems reasonable. Not really interested in overclocking at this time because I don't think I do anything that would really require it... SLI/Crossfire seems to be gimicky and not particularly useful based on what I tend to read; correct me if I am wrong. I will be buying the $30 Windows 7 for students deal.

I am thinking an i5 2500 (or some variety of Sandy Bridge) would be the best bet for me.

Originally, I was thinking about getting a HD 6850 (or something close), with the most reasonably cheap PSU, HDD, and Case. However a guy I bought a laptop from recently has some parts lying around (he is an IT guy for a big company) that he is not using and is looking to sell. Here are the products and links based on his descriptions.

ASUS 6970 DirectCu II 2 GB -
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7280378&CatId=3669

Ultra x4 850w - http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4558892&SRCCODE=GOOGLEBASE&cm_mmc_o=VRqCjC7BBTkwCjCECjCE

Seagate 1 Tb 7200 RPM 3Gb/s - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433

Antec Nine Hundred Two - http://www.amazon.com/Antec-Nine-Hundred-Two-Ultimate/dp/B001P4UAF0

He is willing to give me all of that for $350. While most of these pieces are obviously overkill for my build, I figure it is too good to pass up. What I would buy instead would probably cost almost as much anyway. Plus it would be fun to have such a sweet video card and nice to have a high quality PSU. Please let me know if you agree with my sentiments.

Bottom line:
-Should I buy the parts from this guy?
-Would they provide me with a good configuration and is there anything else I should consider?
-What is the best motherboard for the price you would you recommend to go along with an i5 sandbridge and the rest of this set up?
-Should I get a 6Gb/s HDD instead of the 3 Gb/s one he has?



I am in the US and am willing to buy from wherever online that gives me the best deal. I do not have a local microcenter and Frys is a few hours away. Thanks.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 06 2011 03:13 GMT
#6348
Do you trust the guy? Some things I wouldn't risk buying from someone I didn't know. Really, I'd only take PC parts off a very few of my close friends and a very few relatives, unless I got to check the stuff out pretty thoroughly before paying for it.

6Gb/s on a spinny HDD is pure market gimmick.

You're right that SLI is a gimmick, and not that great of an option outside of circumstances that don't seem applicable in your case.
Adicon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States22 Posts
June 06 2011 03:19 GMT
#6349
I will definitely look over it before I bought it but I do trust him. I just bought a laptop from him a month or so ago and it is in perfect shape and has run amazingly. I went to his house as well--upper middle class home with a family. Did not seem like the rip-off type at all.

So 6Gb/s does not actually run any faster at all? How can they claim it then? Funny stuff

Thanks for the input!
valdor4
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States56 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-06 03:21:00
June 06 2011 03:19 GMT
#6350
Hey, I am looking to build a new computer. The one I am using now has lasted me a good 4 years, but it is time to upgrade =D

I would like this computer to last me another 3ish years, so if I have to spend a bit more upfront that is ok. I would like the build to be around $1000, but if it is a little over I won't be too worried. I will be using the computer mainly for gaming. I want to be able to play BF3 very comfortably, and any new game really.

A few things I'm looking for:

1. I would like the 2500k, and would be overclocking it
2. I am a real fan of EVGA, so preferably I would want a card by them
3. My room gets really hot with the computer I have now, also would prefer the computer to not be loud

Hope this helps, and would love to hear what you guys have to say!

Edit: I need Windows, and I will be ordering off Newegg.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 06 2011 03:23 GMT
#6351
@Adicon

Harddrives can't saturate SATA 3Gbps so it does not run any faster on SATA 6Gbps. It's just a marketing gimmick to use a SATA 6Gbps interface instead of 3Gbps.

If you're not overclocking, the best board would probably be the Asrock H61M U3S3 for $75: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236

I wouldn't say that the Ultra is high quality, it's more along the lines of average... here's a review of the x4 850w: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/11/24/ultra_x4_850w_1050w_power_supplies_review/8
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-06 03:45:02
June 06 2011 03:29 GMT
#6352
@Valdor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188073&cm_re=evga_p67-_-13-188-073-_-Product $189 Mobo

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130651&cm_re=evga_560-_-14-130-651-_-Product GPU $250

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163154&cm_re=rv02-_-11-163-154-_-Product $179 Case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231253 $40 RAM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207012&cm_re=xfx_core-_-17-207-012-_-Product $45 PSU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769&cm_re=caviar_blue-_-22-136-769-_-Product HDD $45

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072&cm_re=2500k-_-19-115-072-_-Product 2500k $225

Total: $973 after rebates.

Could probably shave a bit, especially on the motherboard, without hurting your priorities, but EVGA has baller support and good warranty.

skyR's build will do better than mine, and includes windows, so probably a better bet. The case I linked is really good though, if you can shave a bit to squeeze it in, for noise and heat.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-06 03:30:54
June 06 2011 03:30 GMT
#6353
@valdor4

A configuration that will play all current games smoothly on high settings at 1080p that totals to $985 before mail in rebates.

Intel Core i5 2500k & Gigabyte Z68 D3H Combo @ $330
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.654386

EVGA GTX 560 Ti -KR @ $250 ($220 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130651

GSkill 2x4GB 1333MHz @ $75
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231424

XFX Core Edition Pro 450 @ $55 ($45 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207012

Coolermaster HAF 912 @ $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233

Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB @ $65
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

Xigmatek Gaia @ $30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233082

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 @ $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

DVD Burner @ $20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136238

edit: lol jingle beat me ><
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 06 2011 03:33 GMT
#6354
First time for everything. I think I forgot a HSF and optical though. My build is a little worse performance, and pricey, but has an awesome silent case.
Adicon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States22 Posts
June 06 2011 03:40 GMT
#6355
Thank you skyR! Do you guys have any opinions about the case or GPU? Do you think the build is worth while for the cost?
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 06 2011 03:42 GMT
#6356
On June 06 2011 12:40 Adicon wrote:
Thank you skyR! Do you guys have any opinions about the case or GPU? Do you think the build is worth while for the cost?


The case and GPU are both perfectly reasonable if they work. As to whether it's worth it, up to you.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-06 03:52:10
June 06 2011 03:50 GMT
#6357
ops wrong person lol ><
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Not sure what your definition of not too loud is so you may want to look into a silent case such as an Antec Sonata or Fractal Design, both are more expensive than the Coolermaster HAF 912 but still under $100.

The GTX 560 Ti offers good performance for its price and has good overclocking potential as well. Not sure how EVGA's non reference heatsink is but if I were to take a guess, it's probably similar to those of MSI, Gigabyte, and ASUS so the card itself should be fairly quiet.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-06 03:59:07
June 06 2011 03:55 GMT
#6358
+ Show Spoiler +
I haven't used that particular heatsink, but it should be decent. The squirrel cage External Exhaust models, on the other hand, are kind of loud, especially with 4xx cards in SLI.

Mind you, SLI isn't generally considered when noise is a factor.


Gahh, confusing me, skyR.

But yeah, the deal from the guy, if you trust him, isn't too terrible, if you're ok with the parts themselves. The HDD and PSU aren't really the most ideal, but it isn't like it makes my soul bleed to see someone considering it.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-06 04:03:19
June 06 2011 03:59 GMT
#6359
@Adicon

The ASUS DirectCU II on the 6970 is the best heatsink that comes on any graphics card atm since well it's a triple slot heatsink and not to mention that the card can support up to six monitors without using adapters. For $350, you're getting a card that's worth $400, a case worth $100, and the other components. Basically you're paying $350 for the card and getting everything else free.

The case has good cooling but lacks some tool-less features that other cases have and harddrives are still mounted the traditional way which could be in the pain in the ass if you ever decide to add more HDDs or a SSD later.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-06 04:02:43
June 06 2011 04:02 GMT
#6360
On June 06 2011 12:59 skyR wrote:
@Adicon

The ASUS DirectCU II on the 6970 is the best heatsink that comes on any graphics card atm since well it's a triple slot heatsink. For $350, you're getting a card that's worth $400, a case worth $100, and the other components. Basically you're paying $350 for the card and getting everything else free.

The case has good cooling but lacks some tool-less features that other cases and harddrives are still mounted the traditional way which could be in the pain in the ass if you ever decide to add more HDDs or a SSD later.


The mounting thing, if it's the same as it was in the 900, really can be annoying, since you have to pull the stupid bays, and all the cables, and swap drives around to maintain ideal airflow if you ever add one.

As far as tool-less goes, after building in a Lanboy Air, I'll never hate another case's screws again, but it definitely could be easier. On the other hand, it's a minor nuisance, instead of a major hassle.
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