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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On March 04 2011 01:41 DoubleZee wrote: Mobo seems to the out of stock at the moment. Replacement ideas? Most P67 / H67 motherboards will be out of stock as the B3 revision boards are just being shipped to retailers this week so you are just going to have to be patient. Btw, if you do not need a copy of Windows. You should probably get a GTX 560 and a Core i5 2500 (K variant if you plan on overclocking in the future). | ||
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DoubleZee
Canada556 Posts
On March 04 2011 01:46 skyR wrote: Btw, if you do not need a copy of Windows. You should probably get a GTX 560 and a Core i5 2500. I don't need windows and my budget is flexible. Would you suggest both of these as the best bang for my buck? edit: I think that $180 NCIX sale on the 460 is too good to pass up. +$50 to go from 2300 to 2500 worth it? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
MSI GTX 560 @ $242 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12980BD8066) http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=58303 Core i5 2500k @ $229 (pricematch with http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/PID-MX31557(ME).aspx) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57962 Coolermaster Hyper 212+ @ $20 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=41337&promoid=1295 You should get this PSU instead as well since its a VERY good deal: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=36263&promoid=1295 | ||
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DoubleZee
Canada556 Posts
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Kinetik_Inferno
United States1431 Posts
On March 03 2011 12:03 Myrmidon wrote: If you don't know why you need a high-end motherboard, you don't need one. Likewise, you don't need an i7-2600k when a i5-2500k is just as good for gaming. You also don't need a high-end heatsink for overclocking a i5-2500k in the "safe zone," since they only take about 65W at full load at stock frequencies and voltage when you're not using the integrated graphics (much less than previous quad cores and hex cores that could really use the high-end cooling for high overclocks). You also don't need more than one graphics card to run SC2 on extreme with high fps. Crossfire or SLI (running more than one graphics card in tandem to hopefully improve performance) isn't worth the driver and configuration hassles, and sometimes poor support in some games--especially if you're willing to upgrade the GPU whenever necessary. Prices are unlikely to drop much in a few months and there's not going to be a new CPU or GPU really worth waiting for in that time frame, so you might as well buy in maybe a month whenever all the P67 motherboards are back in stock. If you have a large budget, you may as well just spend the money on a new SSD, a better monitor, a nicer case, a high-end power supply built to last (think 8+ years), better peripherals, or something like that that will give some kind of benefit. If you get something like a high-end motherboard, what you're getting is a lot of ports, connectivity options, and features that you're not going to ever use. I'm sure somebody can supply the techno jargon if necessary, but that kind of language is really only necessary when comparing between different parts (e.g. different power supplies). And it's not much worth comparing different parts until you're actually buying and know what the exact prices are at the moment of the exact models you're looking at. Thanks. I want a good heatsink simply for the noise reduction. And in either case I will be overclocking to some degree I need a motherboard capable of supplying what I need for the high end parts. Suggestions? | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
Pick the cheapest Asrock, Asus, Gigabyte, or MSI P67 motherboard and call it a day | ||
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dox_
United States24 Posts
Here is the list I have put together: Case $150 COOLER MASTER Storm Sniper SGC-6000-KXN1-GP Black Steel, ABS Plastic, Mesh bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119194 PSU CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139009 CPU $230 Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072 Video Card $250 MSI N560GTX-TI Twin Frozr II/OC GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127565 Memory $85 G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231311 Mobo $130 BIOSTAR TP67B+ LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138298 Drive ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM $19 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 Hard Drive 1: SSD Crucial RealSSD C300 CTFDDAC064MAG-1G1 2.5" 64GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) $125 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148357 I'm pretty inexperienced at putting together builds, so my parts might be poorly chosen. Please let me know what I have have gotten wrong and let me know what might be a better choice. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Unless you plan on doing SLI, you don't need 850w. A quality 500w PSU will be fine for any single card setup. If you want to stick with the Corsair TX, you should probably get the updated version: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139022 Shouldn't you want a storage drive if you are going to be doing video editing...? | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Case: I'm sure you picked the Storm Sniper because you liked how it looks or maybe the features, but in terms of performance (keeping parts cool enough, not falling apart, etc.), a case for around $60 would be sufficient. Cases can last a long time, so whether one case or another is worth $100 to you, is up to you. Power Supply: The old Corsair TX850 is pretty outdated and priced above what it's worth. The TX series version 2 units are good, but there are other options. Also, you'd be hard pressed to draw half of 850W from your PSU with those parts, even if you overclock them heavily. The Antec Truepower New 650W is way overkill and has much higher performance, for only $80. If you want top tier performance and reliability, try the Seasonic X560 for $120. If you don't mind using an included PCI-E adapter and aren't planning on overclocking the GPU, a decent budget option would be the Rosewill Green Series 430W for $45. Storage: Crucial RealSSD C300 64GB is okay, but the write speeds on the 64GB are pretty mediocre compared to alternatives. For the C300, the higher-capacity models have better performance. It's not a huge deal, but a SandForce drive (Corsair Force, G.Skill Phoenix Pro, OCZ Vertex 2 or Agility 2, among others) is usually better price/performance. Keep in mind that next-gen SSDs are just becoming available or will be soon, like the Intel 510 and 2nd gen SandForce (e.g. OCZ Vertex 3). You probably also want some kind of normal mechanical hard drive, unless you really only use 64GB of space total. If you're overclocking the i5-2500k non-trivially, you'll want some kind of aftermarket cooler. newegg's $30 price for the Hyper 212+ is a bit high, but you definitely don't need anything better than that for overclocking a i5-2500k to reasonable levels. | ||
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Triscuit
United States722 Posts
Second question: how does overclocking (especially to the intent of getting the clock up to 5 GHz) affect the longevity of the CPU? Does it matter as long as the temperatures are down? | ||
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
On March 04 2011 13:03 Triscuit wrote: Would I be able to get an i7 2600k to 5.0GHz+ with a Noctua NH-D14? I've heard of people getting a Sandy Bridge up to 4.8 GHzish with a Thermaltake Frio. Second question: how does overclocking (especially to the intent of getting the clock up to 5 GHz) affect the longevity of the CPU? Does it matter as long as the temperatures are down? yeah you can get a stable 5 GHz overclock with Noctua NH-D14. It's the best air cooler IMO Depends on what batch of i7 2600k chip you get. Some chips are better than others. The Noctua NH-D14 though is definitely going to give you excellent air cooling though. | ||
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BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
Budget: Up to $1200 AUD max. Resolution: 1280x1024. Use: Gaming. Perhaps streaming if I could be fucked doing so. upgrade cycle: 3+ years. When do I plan on building it? ASAP! Overclocking: Probably not. OS: probably windows 7. Buying from http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php. Or if there's anywhere else that sells PC gear from Australia, that'd be nice too. Thanks! EDIT- oh yeah, and sitting next to me currently is a ASUS ENGTX460 1GB GDDR5 Graphics card. I can use that. | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On March 04 2011 14:44 iaguz wrote: Hey there TL. My current computer is in it's death throes and requires replacement. It manages to run SC2 on lowest settings at 1280x1024, barely, and then it crashes. Repeatedly! Could do with something newer. Budget: Up to $1200 AUD max. Resolution: 1280x1024. Use: Gaming. Perhaps streaming if I could be fucked doing so. upgrade cycle: 3+ years. When do I plan on building it? ASAP! Overclocking: Probably not. OS: probably windows 7. Buying from http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php. Or if there's anywhere else that sells PC gear from Australia, that'd be nice too. Thanks! EDIT- oh yeah, and sitting next to me currently is a ASUS ENGTX460 1GB GDDR5 Graphics card. I can use that. Sample build for you: Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB HD103SJ - $69.00 G.Skill F3-10600CL9D-4GBNT 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 - $49.00 Intel Core i5 2400 - $209.00 MSI H67MA-E45 Motherboard - $135.00 Antec EarthWatts 430W - $68.00 Antec Mini P180 Black - $134.00 Total: $664.00 With a $1200 budget, I'd actually go buy a better monitor since this computer is good enough for high resolution gaming. Your video card might age faster than the rest of the computer because its not exactly high end right now but that's an easy to replace part. I don't recommend replacing your video card right now. Its still good and you're not going to see a huge performance boost from any new video cards being released until AMD and nVidia start pumping out 28nm GPUs, which should happen late this year. If you're looking for a good monitor, a solid option is the Dell U2311H. If you are a RACV (or the other Royal Auto clubs you find in other states) member you get something like 15% off any purchases from Dell and if you find yourself some nice coupons you can get a pretty sick monitor for not much more than the lesser TN monitors from PC Case Gear. | ||
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dandan23
Malaysia101 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
If best of the best if what you are looking for, you can't beat nVidia. | ||
GTR
51691 Posts
I was thinking a new Sandy Bridge i5, the lowest quad-core one (2300 I think?), 4GB RAM, GTX460 and a cheap 1TB HDD (and the new fixed motherboards, whenever they come out). | ||
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IPS.ZeRo
Germany1142 Posts
On March 04 2011 22:14 GTR wrote: What is the cheapest build I can do to stream SC2 at Ultra settings without lag (obviously 1v1... streaming 4v4 200/200 battles.... yeh...). Please try and include a 1080p monitor with the build because I'm currently sporting a HP w2207 (not bad, don't get me wrong, but I'd love to have that 1080p). I was thinking a new Sandy Bridge i5, the lowest quad-core one (2300 I think?), 4GB RAM, GTX460 and a cheap 1TB HDD (and the new fixed motherboards, whenever they come out). Go with the i5-2400 instead. It costs only ~$10 more, but has 3.1 instead of 2.8 ghz. This makes it the best choice in terms of price vs performance imho. Otherwise 4GB of the cheapest DDR3-1333 and a GTX460 will be fine. For the motherboards you can also go with the cheapest one. Maybe choose one with USB 3.0 if you want that. SATA 6GB is not necessar if you don't use an SSD. | ||
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BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
On March 04 2011 15:43 Womwomwom wrote: Sample build for you: Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB HD103SJ - $69.00 G.Skill F3-10600CL9D-4GBNT 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 - $49.00 Intel Core i5 2400 - $209.00 MSI H67MA-E45 Motherboard - $135.00 Antec EarthWatts 430W - $68.00 Antec Mini P180 Black - $134.00 Total: $664.00 With a $1200 budget, I'd actually go buy a better monitor since this computer is good enough for high resolution gaming. Your video card might age faster than the rest of the computer because its not exactly high end right now but that's an easy to replace part. I don't recommend replacing your video card right now. Its still good and you're not going to see a huge performance boost from any new video cards being released until AMD and nVidia start pumping out 28nm GPUs, which should happen late this year. If you're looking for a good monitor, a solid option is the Dell U2311H. If you are a RACV (or the other Royal Auto clubs you find in other states) member you get something like 15% off any purchases from Dell and if you find yourself some nice coupons you can get a pretty sick monitor for not much more than the lesser TN monitors from PC Case Gear. Thanks a bunch man! | ||
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dandan23
Malaysia101 Posts
for sandy bridge i-7 and nvidias | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On March 05 2011 12:29 dandan23 wrote: What motherboard brand do u recommend prefabbly the high ends one .. for sandy bridge i-7 and nvidias If you need to ask that question. Why exactly are you getting a high-end board other than the fact that you have too much money to spend? There's only the Gigabyte UD7, MSI Big Bang Marshal, and ASUS Maximus to choose from. | ||
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