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On July 31 2013 09:01 Thoenix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 08:00 Cyro wrote:7790 will be hurting, 7850 still isn't high end, it's not really well known what performance requirements are for bf4 and some upcoming games but i wouldn't expect to max them with great framerates If you don't mind sacrificing performance in some CPU bound cases like sc2 that rely on a few cores, you could consider shifting budget around a bit to get a 6 or 8 core fx CPU (6300 and 8320 i believe are the models?) in order to invest more in GPU FX CPU's are significantly weaker per core (one of their cores needs to be at ~5ghz to match an i5 core @3ghz current gen) but you can get an 8-core FX for £119 and 6-core for even less*, maybe save a bit on the mobo's too. I don't know anything about motherboards AMD-side. They're good because if you have software that will utilize the extra cores to make up for their weakness of each individual core not being strong, then they have really great value, and can often let you make a step up on GPU without sacrificing performance in many games; either the GPU bound games, or the ones that will utilize 6-8 cores decently *edit: Grabbed a link for one - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-338-AM&groupid=701&catid=1967&subcat=1825 - £84 >.> Do you know how well the 7790 and 7850 could run recently released FPS games like Bioshock Infinite?
http://anandtech.com/bench/GPU13/583
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On July 31 2013 09:01 Thoenix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 08:00 Cyro wrote:7790 will be hurting, 7850 still isn't high end, it's not really well known what performance requirements are for bf4 and some upcoming games but i wouldn't expect to max them with great framerates If you don't mind sacrificing performance in some CPU bound cases like sc2 that rely on a few cores, you could consider shifting budget around a bit to get a 6 or 8 core fx CPU (6300 and 8320 i believe are the models?) in order to invest more in GPU FX CPU's are significantly weaker per core (one of their cores needs to be at ~5ghz to match an i5 core @3ghz current gen) but you can get an 8-core FX for £119 and 6-core for even less*, maybe save a bit on the mobo's too. I don't know anything about motherboards AMD-side. They're good because if you have software that will utilize the extra cores to make up for their weakness of each individual core not being strong, then they have really great value, and can often let you make a step up on GPU without sacrificing performance in many games; either the GPU bound games, or the ones that will utilize 6-8 cores decently *edit: Grabbed a link for one - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-338-AM&groupid=701&catid=1967&subcat=1825 - £84 >.> Do you know how well the 7790 and 7850 could run recently released FPS games like Bioshock Infinite?
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/bioshock_infinite_graphics_performance_review_benchmark,6.html
That's max settings though
Pretty hard to get a good idea of game performance with benchmark, unless there's a video of the benchmark run etc
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On July 31 2013 09:02 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 09:00 Mavvie wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey, while I'm not really gaming much anymore, I want to upgrade my CPU to better support web development.
I'm currently using a computer I built:
LGA1155 mobo running an i3-3220
8GB RAM
Enough HDD space
Radeon HD 7850, overclocked by ~20%
For gaming it was perfect - actually, the GPU was too good. However, now I'm doing a lot of heavy CPU work (compiling/running Ruby on Rails programs/running webservers mostly) and the ~4000 Passmark score of the i3 just doesn't cut it. The way I see it is I have two options:
1. Get an i7-3770k and overclock it to ~9000 passmark score (probably on the order of $400, because I'd need aftermarket cooling right?)
2. Get an Xeon e3-1230 v2 for $240 with ~9000 passmark score.
Both are "LGA1155" sockets, but will I have any issues with a Xeon? It's not a server motherboard at all... It's a GA-H61M-S2PV
I'm curious as to which is my best course of action. The Xeon option seems cheaper (and Xeons are probably better for webdev anyway), but are there any compatibility options? Am I overestimating the price of the i7-3770k + overclock?
Thanks! Some consumer boards support Xeons. If your board supports Xeon than it's your best option since H61 boards cannot be overclocked. You would need a new Z board to overclock the 3770k.
Thanks for the speedy reply.
According to http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/mb-Gigabyte/GA-H61M-S2PV(rev._2.0).html , my motherboard supports the Xeon E3-1230 Sandy Bridge I want.
Good to know about overclocking. So according to passmark, the Xeon has a score of 8884, and the i7-3770k has a score of 9693 (A fair bit faster).
Do you happen to know anything about how the architectures differ? As in, will the Xeon, as it's a server CPU, be better at running Ruby code than the i7? Or is the Xeon more optimized for handling web requests (lots of thread forking etc), and not code interpreting/compiling, so that the i7 is a better architecture?
I realize that this question is extremely specific, so I don't really expect an answer, but any insight would be great!
Edit: I'm considering dropping Xeon completely and going for an i7-3770 (not unlocked, only $290), especially if the i7 architecture is equal to/better than the Xeon for code compilation and interpretation.
Edit2: This isn't really a programming community...do any of you know of some good resources for programming hardware/benchmarks/etc?
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On July 31 2013 07:57 Thoenix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 04:06 Rachnar wrote:
You won't get significant change in cpu without oc'ing, and depending on the games you play you will, for those you said you were playing though, the 7790 will run them on max no problem. If you intend on playing more demanding games, the 7850 would be better, but it isn't that significant either, you start seeing changes in gpu power every "2 gpu gap" i'd say, Like 7790 => 7870, or 7850 => 7950. I just posted both depending on which you could afford and depending on the games, as you didnt mention them before. I am hoping to be able to play the latest FPS games such as battlefield 4 when it come out. Will the 7790 be able to handle such games? Or would I need the 7850, or are neither good enough?
BF3 multiplayer hits CPUs pretty hard (scaled well with actual cores and IPC) so I have to think BF4 will be more of that. I think this rules out the PD. Bioshock Infinite is on the older Unreal 3 engine, with some minor tweaks for the PC version. 1680x1050 is still a low resolution, so while you are probably ok with budget cards, I wouldn't feel comfortable going below a 7850/650Ti Boost level of GPUs. Even more so if you want a 2-3 year upgrade cycle, something like a 7870XT/760 would be far more future-minded.
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BF3 multiplayer hits CPUs pretty hard (scaled well with actual cores and IPC) so I have to think BF4 will be more of that. I think this rules out the PD
It scales hard onto at least 6 cores though, doesn't make sense to ignore PD when you could make a step up on GPU.
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On July 31 2013 09:58 Mavvie wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 31 2013 09:02 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 09:00 Mavvie wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey, while I'm not really gaming much anymore, I want to upgrade my CPU to better support web development.
I'm currently using a computer I built:
LGA1155 mobo running an i3-3220
8GB RAM
Enough HDD space
Radeon HD 7850, overclocked by ~20%
For gaming it was perfect - actually, the GPU was too good. However, now I'm doing a lot of heavy CPU work (compiling/running Ruby on Rails programs/running webservers mostly) and the ~4000 Passmark score of the i3 just doesn't cut it. The way I see it is I have two options:
1. Get an i7-3770k and overclock it to ~9000 passmark score (probably on the order of $400, because I'd need aftermarket cooling right?)
2. Get an Xeon e3-1230 v2 for $240 with ~9000 passmark score.
Both are "LGA1155" sockets, but will I have any issues with a Xeon? It's not a server motherboard at all... It's a GA-H61M-S2PV
I'm curious as to which is my best course of action. The Xeon option seems cheaper (and Xeons are probably better for webdev anyway), but are there any compatibility options? Am I overestimating the price of the i7-3770k + overclock?
Thanks! Some consumer boards support Xeons. If your board supports Xeon than it's your best option since H61 boards cannot be overclocked. You would need a new Z board to overclock the 3770k. Thanks for the speedy reply. According to http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/mb-Gigabyte/GA-H61M-S2PV(rev._2.0).html , my motherboard supports the Xeon E3-1230 Sandy Bridge I want. Good to know about overclocking. So according to passmark, the Xeon has a score of 8884, and the i7-3770k has a score of 9693 (A fair bit faster). Do you happen to know anything about how the architectures differ? As in, will the Xeon, as it's a server CPU, be better at running Ruby code than the i7? Or is the Xeon more optimized for handling web requests (lots of thread forking etc), and not code interpreting/compiling, so that the i7 is a better architecture? I realize that this question is extremely specific, so I don't really expect an answer, but any insight would be great! Edit: I'm considering dropping Xeon completely and going for an i7-3770 (not unlocked, only $290), especially if the i7 architecture is equal to/better than the Xeon for code compilation and interpretation. Edit2: This isn't really a programming community...do any of you know of some good resources for programming hardware/benchmarks/etc?
The Xeons and Core processors don't use different architectures, they're both based on the same architectures so performance will be identical given the same models. Xeons are just validated for a server environment and do have some certain features that the i7 does not like VT-d. And of course most models forgo the IGP and do lack some consumer features of the i7.
The reason why the 3770k scores higher than the Xeon on passmark is because the Xeon is based on the Sandybridge architecture while the 3770k is based on Ivybridge which is a die-shrink of Sandybridge and is slightly faster than it. The i7 is also clocked higher.
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hi after 7 years i want to get a new pc
but have not much clue what is good
maybe someone can recomments be a good built
What is your budget? 1000€
What is your resolution? 1920/1080
What are you using it for? Gaming,watching streams
What is your upgrade cycle? my uppgrade cycle is long
When do you plan on building it? in the next 2 or 3 weeks
Do you plan on overclocking? is out of question i dont like it
Do you need an Operating System? yes
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? prefer sli
Where are you buying your parts from? http://www.alternate.de
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Yeah it's too bad Chip Review didn't cover the PD's as a direct comparison. Would be interesting to know the numbers between IvB and PDs. Curious if it's close enough to where you could use that money to bump up the GPU (while obviously hugely sacrificing single-thread IPC) 
*Oops GameGPU.ru did have something - I remember posting this a few months back haha:
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I think I remember some criticisms of it (particularly since the minimums weren't lining up with ChipReview's numbers). But it's something to consider.
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On July 31 2013 10:14 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 09:58 Mavvie wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 31 2013 09:02 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 09:00 Mavvie wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey, while I'm not really gaming much anymore, I want to upgrade my CPU to better support web development.
I'm currently using a computer I built:
LGA1155 mobo running an i3-3220
8GB RAM
Enough HDD space
Radeon HD 7850, overclocked by ~20%
For gaming it was perfect - actually, the GPU was too good. However, now I'm doing a lot of heavy CPU work (compiling/running Ruby on Rails programs/running webservers mostly) and the ~4000 Passmark score of the i3 just doesn't cut it. The way I see it is I have two options:
1. Get an i7-3770k and overclock it to ~9000 passmark score (probably on the order of $400, because I'd need aftermarket cooling right?)
2. Get an Xeon e3-1230 v2 for $240 with ~9000 passmark score.
Both are "LGA1155" sockets, but will I have any issues with a Xeon? It's not a server motherboard at all... It's a GA-H61M-S2PV
I'm curious as to which is my best course of action. The Xeon option seems cheaper (and Xeons are probably better for webdev anyway), but are there any compatibility options? Am I overestimating the price of the i7-3770k + overclock?
Thanks! Some consumer boards support Xeons. If your board supports Xeon than it's your best option since H61 boards cannot be overclocked. You would need a new Z board to overclock the 3770k. Thanks for the speedy reply. According to http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/mb-Gigabyte/GA-H61M-S2PV(rev._2.0).html , my motherboard supports the Xeon E3-1230 Sandy Bridge I want. Good to know about overclocking. So according to passmark, the Xeon has a score of 8884, and the i7-3770k has a score of 9693 (A fair bit faster). Do you happen to know anything about how the architectures differ? As in, will the Xeon, as it's a server CPU, be better at running Ruby code than the i7? Or is the Xeon more optimized for handling web requests (lots of thread forking etc), and not code interpreting/compiling, so that the i7 is a better architecture? I realize that this question is extremely specific, so I don't really expect an answer, but any insight would be great! Edit: I'm considering dropping Xeon completely and going for an i7-3770 (not unlocked, only $290), especially if the i7 architecture is equal to/better than the Xeon for code compilation and interpretation. Edit2: This isn't really a programming community...do any of you know of some good resources for programming hardware/benchmarks/etc? The Xeons and Core processors don't use different architectures, they're both based on the same architectures so performance will be identical given the same models. Xeons are just validated for a server environment and do have some certain features that the i7 does not like VT-d. And of course most models forgo the IGP and do lack some consumer features of the i7. The reason why the 3770k scores higher than the Xeon on passmark is because the Xeon is based on the Sandybridge architecture while the 3770k is based on Ivybridge which is a die-shrink of Sandybridge and is slightly faster than it. The i7 is also clocked higher.
Thanks for clearing that up, I'm a bit of a hardware noob.
I think I'll to for the e3-1230 then. Of all mentioned processors it is the best value, and is only a bit slower than the i7-3770.
Thanks for your help!
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On July 31 2013 10:25 Mavvie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 10:14 skyR wrote:On July 31 2013 09:58 Mavvie wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 31 2013 09:02 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 09:00 Mavvie wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey, while I'm not really gaming much anymore, I want to upgrade my CPU to better support web development.
I'm currently using a computer I built:
LGA1155 mobo running an i3-3220
8GB RAM
Enough HDD space
Radeon HD 7850, overclocked by ~20%
For gaming it was perfect - actually, the GPU was too good. However, now I'm doing a lot of heavy CPU work (compiling/running Ruby on Rails programs/running webservers mostly) and the ~4000 Passmark score of the i3 just doesn't cut it. The way I see it is I have two options:
1. Get an i7-3770k and overclock it to ~9000 passmark score (probably on the order of $400, because I'd need aftermarket cooling right?)
2. Get an Xeon e3-1230 v2 for $240 with ~9000 passmark score.
Both are "LGA1155" sockets, but will I have any issues with a Xeon? It's not a server motherboard at all... It's a GA-H61M-S2PV
I'm curious as to which is my best course of action. The Xeon option seems cheaper (and Xeons are probably better for webdev anyway), but are there any compatibility options? Am I overestimating the price of the i7-3770k + overclock?
Thanks! Some consumer boards support Xeons. If your board supports Xeon than it's your best option since H61 boards cannot be overclocked. You would need a new Z board to overclock the 3770k. Thanks for the speedy reply. According to http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/mb-Gigabyte/GA-H61M-S2PV(rev._2.0).html , my motherboard supports the Xeon E3-1230 Sandy Bridge I want. Good to know about overclocking. So according to passmark, the Xeon has a score of 8884, and the i7-3770k has a score of 9693 (A fair bit faster). Do you happen to know anything about how the architectures differ? As in, will the Xeon, as it's a server CPU, be better at running Ruby code than the i7? Or is the Xeon more optimized for handling web requests (lots of thread forking etc), and not code interpreting/compiling, so that the i7 is a better architecture? I realize that this question is extremely specific, so I don't really expect an answer, but any insight would be great! Edit: I'm considering dropping Xeon completely and going for an i7-3770 (not unlocked, only $290), especially if the i7 architecture is equal to/better than the Xeon for code compilation and interpretation. Edit2: This isn't really a programming community...do any of you know of some good resources for programming hardware/benchmarks/etc? The Xeons and Core processors don't use different architectures, they're both based on the same architectures so performance will be identical given the same models. Xeons are just validated for a server environment and do have some certain features that the i7 does not like VT-d. And of course most models forgo the IGP and do lack some consumer features of the i7. The reason why the 3770k scores higher than the Xeon on passmark is because the Xeon is based on the Sandybridge architecture while the 3770k is based on Ivybridge which is a die-shrink of Sandybridge and is slightly faster than it. The i7 is also clocked higher. Thanks for clearing that up, I'm a bit of a hardware noob. I think I'll to for the e3-1230 then. Of all mentioned processors it is the best value, and is only a bit slower than the i7-3770. Thanks for your help!
There's also a Xeon E3-1230v2. That one is Ivy Bridge, so should be very similar to Ivy Bridge i7 in performance. Also, what skyR said about VT-d isn't correct. It's only off in the i5/i7 CPUs with the "k" at the end. I think the sole difference is the Xeon has support for ECC RAM.
Now, about that E3-1230v2... It isn't mentioned in the compatibility list for your board but the rest of the Ivy Bridge CPUs all are (i3, i5, i7). You should research that some more, perhaps email Gigabyte technical support, though I bet they'll just tell you to look at the list... You could buy an E3-1230v2 at a shop where you know you'll be able to send it back if it doesn't work.
Also, don't forget to flash the newest BIOS while you are still on your Sandy Bridge i3 before you put an Ivy Bridge CPU in the board.
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On July 31 2013 10:16 mav451 wrote:Yeah it's too bad Chip Review didn't cover the PD's as a direct comparison. Would be interesting to know the numbers between IvB and PDs. Curious if it's close enough to where you could use that money to bump up the GPU (while obviously hugely sacrificing single-thread IPC) *Oops GameGPU.ru did have something - I remember posting this a few months back haha: + Show Spoiler +I think I remember some criticisms of it (particularly since the minimums weren't lining up with ChipReview's numbers). But it's something to consider.
Bigger performance gap than i thought if that's right, i still think there's worth in getting £84/£119 fx6300/8320 and throwing a light oc on though, especially the 6300 if you can get a cheap mobo for it that'll let you run it to 4ghz or something
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On July 31 2013 10:48 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 10:25 Mavvie wrote:On July 31 2013 10:14 skyR wrote:On July 31 2013 09:58 Mavvie wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 31 2013 09:02 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 09:00 Mavvie wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey, while I'm not really gaming much anymore, I want to upgrade my CPU to better support web development.
I'm currently using a computer I built:
LGA1155 mobo running an i3-3220
8GB RAM
Enough HDD space
Radeon HD 7850, overclocked by ~20%
For gaming it was perfect - actually, the GPU was too good. However, now I'm doing a lot of heavy CPU work (compiling/running Ruby on Rails programs/running webservers mostly) and the ~4000 Passmark score of the i3 just doesn't cut it. The way I see it is I have two options:
1. Get an i7-3770k and overclock it to ~9000 passmark score (probably on the order of $400, because I'd need aftermarket cooling right?)
2. Get an Xeon e3-1230 v2 for $240 with ~9000 passmark score.
Both are "LGA1155" sockets, but will I have any issues with a Xeon? It's not a server motherboard at all... It's a GA-H61M-S2PV
I'm curious as to which is my best course of action. The Xeon option seems cheaper (and Xeons are probably better for webdev anyway), but are there any compatibility options? Am I overestimating the price of the i7-3770k + overclock?
Thanks! Some consumer boards support Xeons. If your board supports Xeon than it's your best option since H61 boards cannot be overclocked. You would need a new Z board to overclock the 3770k. Thanks for the speedy reply. According to http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/mb-Gigabyte/GA-H61M-S2PV(rev._2.0).html , my motherboard supports the Xeon E3-1230 Sandy Bridge I want. Good to know about overclocking. So according to passmark, the Xeon has a score of 8884, and the i7-3770k has a score of 9693 (A fair bit faster). Do you happen to know anything about how the architectures differ? As in, will the Xeon, as it's a server CPU, be better at running Ruby code than the i7? Or is the Xeon more optimized for handling web requests (lots of thread forking etc), and not code interpreting/compiling, so that the i7 is a better architecture? I realize that this question is extremely specific, so I don't really expect an answer, but any insight would be great! Edit: I'm considering dropping Xeon completely and going for an i7-3770 (not unlocked, only $290), especially if the i7 architecture is equal to/better than the Xeon for code compilation and interpretation. Edit2: This isn't really a programming community...do any of you know of some good resources for programming hardware/benchmarks/etc? The Xeons and Core processors don't use different architectures, they're both based on the same architectures so performance will be identical given the same models. Xeons are just validated for a server environment and do have some certain features that the i7 does not like VT-d. And of course most models forgo the IGP and do lack some consumer features of the i7. The reason why the 3770k scores higher than the Xeon on passmark is because the Xeon is based on the Sandybridge architecture while the 3770k is based on Ivybridge which is a die-shrink of Sandybridge and is slightly faster than it. The i7 is also clocked higher. Thanks for clearing that up, I'm a bit of a hardware noob. I think I'll to for the e3-1230 then. Of all mentioned processors it is the best value, and is only a bit slower than the i7-3770. Thanks for your help! There's also a Xeon E3-1230v2. That one is Ivy Bridge, so should be very similar to Ivy Bridge i7 in performance. Also, what skyR said about VT-d isn't correct. It's only off in the i5/i7 CPUs with the "k" at the end. I think the sole difference is the Xeon has support for ECC RAM. Now, about that E3-1230v2... It isn't mentioned in the compatibility list for your board but the rest of the Ivy Bridge CPUs all are (i3, i5, i7). You should research that some more, perhaps email Gigabyte technical support, though I bet they'll just tell you to look at the list... You could buy an E3-1230v2 at a shop where you know you'll be able to send it back if it doesn't work. Also, don't forget to flash the newest BIOS while you are still on your Sandy Bridge i3 before you put an Ivy Bridge CPU in the board.
Thanks, I feel like this is important, but I'm confused.
I thought I was talking about the v2 the whole time, I guess I didn't mention it?
Ok, I just looked at the list again, and you're right. I'll email them.
This is the processor I want to get: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117286
This is the processor I'm currently on: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116775
Both are Ivy Bridge, so my mobo is already on that. With any luck, the $235 e3-1230v2 will be more than enough performance for me. Just gotta make sure it's compatible, then go?
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Looks like that speculation about the i7 3910K is all for naught
Upcoming SKUs for IvB-E would suggest that Intel is finished with SB-E. No hope for a cheaper 6-core from Intel lol.
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Thanks for all the help guys. I have one last issue though. The reviews of the i5 4430 in ebuyer talk about heat issues. Does anyone have any first hand experience with this CPU? Would it be worth spending a little more on say a i5 4570, or is there a better option?
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I don't see why it would have heat issues, it's just the stock heatsink that sucks, but as you're nor oc'ing you don't care, you can add another one later if you can't bear the noise.
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Lol... So I'm getting mixed responses. Gigabyte support said "can't guarantee it'll work, check out this list of compatible CPUs that doesn't include the ivy bridge Xeons."
I asked on a motherboard/hardware forum (here is the thread), and the guy said that the Ivy bridge Xeons ARE compatible.
Should I take this to mean that it probably will work but gigabyte can't guarantee it, or is the guy on Tom's hardware just wrong and the CPU won't work?
Thanks again.
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can't guarantee it'll work basicly = it should work but if there is a problem we don't have your back
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Looks like that speculation about the i7 3910K is all for naught
Shame, with so small performance upgrades coming hopefully they'll eventually throw mainstream 6 core so that we can get +40% bump in multithread performance at slight cost to single on top of architectural improvements instead of messing around for 15% gains in two years (and only if you have high end cooling and get a bit lucky)
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I don't see why it would have heat issues, it's just the stock heatsink that sucks, but as you're nor oc'ing you don't care, you can add another one later if you can't bear the noise.
Hyperthreading off at 3.4ghz 1v: Normal workload, full CPU load, ~47c
avx2 stress test, 85c
it's kinda ridiculous Anyone running an avx and especially avx2 stress test will have heat issues unless they're using high end cooling with delid with a low overclock. It's silly to judge based on those temperatures i think (though a LOT of people use them to say haswell is hot, especially review sites), if everybody did, then nobody would be overclocking, they'd be undervolting on stock with high end air to try and get their temps below 90.
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