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Wala.Revolution
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skyR
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
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Thoenix
United Kingdom10 Posts
What is your budget? I would prefer to stay under £500. What is your resolution? I own two monitors at the moment, an Acer X223w (1680x1050) and a HP w19 (1490x900). I will probably be using the HP however I'm not completely sure. What are you using it for? Mostly gaming, watching streams, and other general computer stuff. I would like to be able to play the latest games (preferably on the highest graphics), but I'm not sure that's possible with my budget. What is your upgrade cycle? I've never really upgraded parts of a computer before so I'm not completely sure what is reasonable. However, I would rather not need to upgrade at all for 2-3 years (if that's possible). When do you plan on building it? Want to start building it as soon as possible. Do you plan on overclocking? Probably not, unless there is some amazing reason you would want to? Do you need an Operating System? Yes. Currently I am using windows 7 on my laptop and I don't really know much about windows 8. So I don't know if its worth getting. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? I don't plan to, but it would be nice to have that option available to me in the future, assuming my budget allows it. Where are you buying your parts from? I don't know where you would get parts from other than online. I am from the UK. Quick edit: forgot to mention, that I have a keyboard (and obviously a monitor and a mouse). | ||
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Salient
United States876 Posts
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upperbound
United States2300 Posts
These doods really want me to max out their chips so I figured I'd get your take on it. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Happy birthday (: | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
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Wojna
Canada6 Posts
Requires: Ability to overclock in the future 2x+ USB 3.0 on the front of the case Needs SSD for OS/M.Office/common programs & a few games I rarelu get a new pc/upgrade (but can upgrade GPU down the line) 1. Should it be Haswell or Ivy as Ivy is a bit cheaper due to CPU/mobo 2. Can you recommend a good desktop build 3. Can you recommend an upper middle end monitor 4. Can you recommend a good keyboard (mechanical blue if possible) 5. Should i get Win 7 or Win 8 from a compatibility perspective Any recommendations??? Here is what someone else recommended http://pcpartpicker.com/user/sna/saved/20FI CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Microcenter) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Seidon 120M 86.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg) Motherboard: Gigabyte G1.Sniper M5 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($199.99 @ Amazon) Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($62.13 @ TigerDirect) Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($126.99 @ NCIX US) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.98 @ SuperBiiz) Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($254.98 @ SuperBiiz) Case: Thermaltake Chaser A31 ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US) Optical Drive: Plextor PX-891SA-28 DVD/CD Writer ($28.88 @ NCIX US) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.73 @ Outlet PC) Monitor: Dell U2312HM 23.0" Monitor ($198.13 @ Amazon) Total: $1403.77 Please assist | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
My changes would be from a quick glance: Better cooler, something not low end. 120mm rad closed loop liquid coolers are terrible, bad cooling, ton of noise. No point spending $200 on motherboard, get a z87x-d3h or if you want to spend a lot, z87x-ud3h even, unless micro-atx is mandatory and you want to pay for it You can get a good RAM kit like 2400mhz cas10-12 without a big markup, and it helps in some places, not many, but in something like sc2 it's as much as a ~5-10% performance gain over 1600cas9 RAM often for only a few dollars markup which is awesome regular 840 is much cheaper, does not really have worse performance unless you care about write speed, most of the feel of ssd comes from read Don't need 750w, you won't pass something in the leagues of 250w at stock. A good 400-450w will be fine for OC'd cpu and gpu, a good 550w would probably take sli'd 760's, 600-650 if you wanna be really sure and sit at a better place on the efficiency curve with oc'd CPU and pushed GPU's a bit | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On July 29 2013 08:15 Wojna wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Looking for some expert opinions. I want to build a desktop for approx $1200ish + monitor + keyboard. It will be used mostly for daily activities, gaming and connecting to a 1080p TV. Requires: Ability to overclock in the future 2x+ USB 3.0 on the front of the case Needs SSD for OS/M.Office/common programs & a few games I rarelu get a new pc/upgrade (but can upgrade GPU down the line) 1. Should it be Haswell or Ivy as Ivy is a bit cheaper due to CPU/mobo 2. Can you recommend a good desktop build 3. Can you recommend an upper middle end monitor 4. Can you recommend a good keyboard (mechanical blue if possible) 5. Should i get Win 7 or Win 8 from a compatibility perspective Any recommendations??? Here is what someone else recommended http://pcpartpicker.com/user/sna/saved/20FI CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Microcenter) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Seidon 120M 86.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg) Motherboard: Gigabyte G1.Sniper M5 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($199.99 @ Amazon) Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($62.13 @ TigerDirect) Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($126.99 @ NCIX US) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.98 @ SuperBiiz) Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($254.98 @ SuperBiiz) Case: Thermaltake Chaser A31 ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US) Optical Drive: Plextor PX-891SA-28 DVD/CD Writer ($28.88 @ NCIX US) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.73 @ Outlet PC) Monitor: Dell U2312HM 23.0" Monitor ($198.13 @ Amazon) Total: $1403.77 Please assist Haswell vs Ivybridge typically is not a relevant question anymore since most retailers will be OOS on Ivybridge or Ivybridge price will not be significantly less expensive than Haswell to be worth considering. U2312HM is a good monitor, it's on sale right now at Dell for $190... assuming you're from Canada. If not then this is not relevant. From a compatibility stand point, Windows 7. That build is overkill and a lot of it is not optimized aka it's shit. It's also not relevant unless your profile is not accurate and you're actually from the states. Canadian and American pricing is not the same, nor is availability. It's also over your budget by $200 and another $100 when you include a keyboard, and another $100 if you're including rebates. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
On July 28 2013 22:26 upperbound wrote: I've been away for a while. Cyro, did you ever come to any conclusions re: optimal settings changes for OC'ing Haswell vs. Ivy? I'll be setting up a couple of computers I built for people later today and was interested in whether you'd figured out whether BCLK tweaks are worth it, HT off is too unstable, etc. These doods really want me to max out their chips so I figured I'd get your take on it. Been working on semi-final OC today, still got tweaking to do, can up uncore and RAM etc. 4.7ghz core with 1.315vcore 1.94vrin - maybe better with a little less, it's an important voltage, gotta set LLC for it too 4ghz uncore 1.2 ring/uncore voltage, didn't test in-depth yet exactly what i need 2000 11-11-11-28 1.45v RAM - didn't put it up yet +0.2 system agent, analog io and digital io - I need some volts somewhere here to put RAM up, even to 2000. Not sure how much, but +0.05 and maybe +0.1 were not cutting it, some other people are running them like +0.2 or +0.25 quite long term so i can tune them down a bit when i can test for extended periods of time. Belial was able to hit 3000mhz on RAM with +0.2+0.2+0.2 but there's probably some breakpoint somewhere with certain core clocks etc Looks like i didn't have much time with this, but damn i put quite a bit of work in, Haswell is kinda complicated. A lot less now that people have figured some things out, but it was a big headache in the first weeks, i sat around lower clocks for a while and got stuck with quite a few major issues. Make sure to get latest bios, f6 for gigabyte, the others just do not f***ing work properly. In the end, this gives me cinebench 11.5 multithreaded score of 10.37 and singlethreaded score of 2.11*, with max temps from one run being 76, 79, 80, 72c**. Multiple runs or x264 will take it towards 85c, small fft with avx disabled, a few degrees hotter. Certain stress tests (a large number of them) give you experiences with elevated vcores and temperatures with AVX enabled and even further elevated with avx2, but i choose to ignore those until they affect me, because nothing that i know of outside of those stress tests triggers such behavior and it happens to an extreme effect that would basically prevent any overclocking unless you had high end air, a 240/280 rad or custom water with delidded cpu if you judged based on avx2 synthetic temperatures, they are insane on so many levels. * ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hDq7nLC.jpg) **Silver arrow SB-E SE, good mount with mx4 (took quite a few tries even after reading up a lot), cool ambients. A touch below 20c Got some more tweaking to do, i'l try and bump up singlethreaded score a bit and hit 10.4 multi. Gumbi has a 4770k with a dark rock pro 2 (high end air) and seems to be like 10c hotter than me, through a combination of probably ambients a bit hotter, worse mount/case airflow, heatsink being a bit weaker etc, i dunno. I got lucky with volts required, 0.05v at this level costs 10c. 1.32v was hitting ~88c on small fft with cool ambients for me with ht on and avx disabled, so by these overclocking standards, you'd expect ~4.6ghz for i7, 4.7 for i5, +- whatever comes with silicon lottery, on something like a silver arrow/u14s/h100i equivelant. Maybe that's a touch high, it's hard to get OC data, Haswell is such a mess of information on forums without the right standards applied for testing or documenting things, so temperatures and OC results are all over the place. I think 4.6ghz on 1.32 vcore is not a wild claim, but i can't really say what % of CPU's will do it stable for this kind of testing, there's definitely a lot better and a lot worse out there. Basic tips for OCing Haswell i'd say if you are already familiar with other CPU's (giga boards.. others might be different for some things)- keep RAM down until OC is set, set uncore 30x or 34x too, not 35 (because it turbo's to 39) and also set like 1.15 ring voltage. Ring is not just for uncore multiplier, it is stressed more with higher core frequencies etc. VRIN is very important, set LLC for it to turbo or extreme, keep it at least 0.4v over vcore at all times. It's not more = better, there's a good zone, too little or too much will give suboptimal results, for example at 1.25vcore, 1.85 might work best, and 1.7 or 2.0 might both be extremely unstable or not even boot when 1.85 was stable, or they could need quite a lot more vcore etc. There's good values for VRIN, depending on what vcore you use etc. Too little is a BIG no. I can talk through OC and give feedback after seeing what's stable, what isn't etc, it's kinda hard to knowledge bomb onto a forum post | ||
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SideAffect
Canada30 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
^This is pretty good resource, not a great guide for somebody new to overclocking though. I can talk through some settings if you want, we didn't have many haswell overclockers here yet | ||
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Melancholia
United States717 Posts
On July 27 2013 22:57 MisterFred wrote: @Melancholia i7-4770 ($310) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116900 MSI B85 motherboard ($88) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130699 Sapphire 7970 ($320 after promo code) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202008 Crucial 2x8gb 1600mhz RAM ($110 after promo code) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148721 Fractal Design R4 ($80) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352022 A good quiet case. The only downside is ventilation holes on the top, which is a minor liquid spill concern. Still, most high-end cases have this. Rosewill Capstone 450w ($60) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066 Samsung 840 250gb SSD ($163) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=77211&vpn=MZ-7TD250BW&manufacture=Samsung Memory & Storage&promoid=1275 Sizeable fast SSD for commonly used programs. Seagate 2tb HDD ($86) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=66010&vpn=ST2000DM001&manufacture=Others&promoid=1275 DVD-burner ($15 after promo code) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151266 Total: $1232 There's ways to spend more, of course. 500gb SSD instead of 250gb. More expensive video card (though this one is high end). Overclockability. But this should do what you're looking for and generally includes upper-end luxury components where that matters. Thanks for the build (and Myrmidon too!) We'll be going with this, except for one last question on the GPU. He would like to go with an Nvidia GPU, so what would be the considerations between a 760 or 770? | ||
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holyhalo5
United States187 Posts
So far I have plugged in the SSD to the power supply and the SATA data transfer cord into SATA_0_1. Is there anything else I need to plug in, or did I plug something in wrong? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On July 29 2013 12:25 Melancholia wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On July 27 2013 22:57 MisterFred wrote: @Melancholia i7-4770 ($310) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116900 MSI B85 motherboard ($88) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130699 Sapphire 7970 ($320 after promo code) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202008 Crucial 2x8gb 1600mhz RAM ($110 after promo code) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148721 Fractal Design R4 ($80) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352022 A good quiet case. The only downside is ventilation holes on the top, which is a minor liquid spill concern. Still, most high-end cases have this. Rosewill Capstone 450w ($60) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066 Samsung 840 250gb SSD ($163) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=77211&vpn=MZ-7TD250BW&manufacture=Samsung Memory & Storage&promoid=1275 Sizeable fast SSD for commonly used programs. Seagate 2tb HDD ($86) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=66010&vpn=ST2000DM001&manufacture=Others&promoid=1275 DVD-burner ($15 after promo code) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151266 Total: $1232 There's ways to spend more, of course. 500gb SSD instead of 250gb. More expensive video card (though this one is high end). Overclockability. But this should do what you're looking for and generally includes upper-end luxury components where that matters. Thanks for the build (and Myrmidon too!) We'll be going with this, except for one last question on the GPU. He would like to go with an Nvidia GPU, so what would be the considerations between a 760 or 770? 770 if you want power. On July 29 2013 13:35 holyhalo5 wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Trying to install Windows into SSD only, but Windows can't find the drive. Why? So far I have plugged in the SSD to the power supply and the SATA data transfer cord into SATA_0_1. Is there anything else I need to plug in, or did I plug something in wrong? If it's recognized in BIOS then you probably just need a MBR on the SSD. To do this, press shift + f10 during windows setup to bring up cmd then type diskpart and press enter, type list disk and press enter, type select disk # (where # is the SSD #, should be 0 if you plugged it into SATA 0 or 1 if you plugged it into SATA 1), and then type clean . | ||
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holyhalo5
United States187 Posts
On July 29 2013 13:55 skyR wrote: If it's recognized in BIOS then you probably just need a MBR on the SSD. To do this, press shift + f10 during windows setup to bring up cmd then type diskpart and press enter, type list disk and press enter, type select disk # (where # is the SSD #, should be 0 if you plugged it into SATA 0 or 1 if you plugged it into SATA 1), and then type clean . OK i tried and it's installing. Hopefully its actually installing onto the SSD... What's weird is that even though windows 7 was not installed, my computer opened and jumped right to Windows 7 Ultimate if the mech hard drive is not connected. Ultra confusing :/ | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
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holyhalo5
United States187 Posts
Okay yeah i phrased it awkwardly. Basically, if my HDD is not plugged in at all into the SATA data, the computer runs under windows 7 ultimate even though i never installed it. | ||
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