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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
July 25 2013 20:49 GMT
#31921
On July 26 2013 05:09 skyR wrote:
This is better: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231666


Just to add, Belial took i believe that exact kit to 3000mhz cas13 with 1.8v if anyone's buying haswell and interested in RAM oc
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
SleepTech
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States222 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-26 04:56:56
July 26 2013 04:56 GMT
#31922
Ok, going to build a computer for my sister because her son is wanting to start to learn video editing/making. He'll also play some games but mostly just Minecraft so I don't believe a video card is needed since CPUs can play that pretty easily.

Their price range is $800 but COULD go to $1000 if really needed.

They don't need a monitor. I have a Windows 7 disc that I'm running on my own computer, do I need to buy them a new windows 7 OEM or can I use mine to install windows on his machine? Does Microsoft even look for that type of thing?

My brother in law said he had a 1tb hard drive already and wanted an SSD for boot up.

I have not read much about the new Haswell CPUs and I'm assuming that they are using the 1150 motherboards?

He is not interested in overclocking as he doesn't even know what that means yet so he'll need a CPU that has a good on board graphics card or if needed, an extra graphics card.

So the main use is for his video editing and the rest of it will only be used for pictures, internet, schooling, and normal every day computer things.

So: $800-$1000
Video Editing - Beginning Computer
Video Editing software (probably)
CPU
Motherboard
SSD for boot up, figure 80-128gb
Graphics card - only if needed - mainly will play minecraft
Tower
PSU
RAM - 8gb or possible 16gb?

What say you TeamLiquid?

CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116896

MB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130699

SSD
Not sure on what's a good one anymore. I use a 64gb Crucial M4, but I'd like to get a 128 or so for them if it fits in the budget.

RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231666

PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033

Tower
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133179

Video Editing Software
Not sure on this either.
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
July 26 2013 05:06 GMT
#31923
On July 26 2013 05:49 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 05:09 skyR wrote:
This is better: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231666


Just to add, Belial took i believe that exact kit to 3000mhz cas13 with 1.8v if anyone's buying haswell and interested in RAM oc

It was a Mushkin kit.
www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17957209
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
July 26 2013 05:09 GMT
#31924
With that budget, you can go up to an i7 quite easily, and even get up to a 256gb SSD while getting a very nice case.

You will need to the OS too.

Is other stuff like noise/size an issue? you could get a smaller mATX case, or a good noise dampening one?

Won't need a gpu though (don't think at least, Skyr, Myrmidon or somebody else should, i've limited knowledge in that stuff)
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17278 Posts
July 26 2013 05:21 GMT
#31925
Graphic editing software can run for quite a lot of money depending on what you get.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 26 2013 06:15 GMT
#31926
Some editing software can be GPU accelerated for previewing things and... something. I don't do any non-trivial video editing.

There's Adobe Premiere Pro CC (subscription-based) is $20 / month if bought for a year, I think. I have no idea what's different about that version. I guess companies are promoting this kind of model as well these days (Microsoft Office 365 etc.).

These days you can get Samsung 840 120GB for ~$90:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147188

Depending on software, operations, source video, etc., some kind of RAID array, Core i7, professional graphics card, 16 GB RAM, etc. could be warranted. Probably not worth the expense for a hobbyist beginner. I'd suggest a decent (better) monitor before that kind of stuff anyway. That's useful for everything else he does too.

You can do better than low-end Thermaltake cases these days, but that's a minor thing. Maybe you should just ask him to pick something he think looks okay.
SleepTech
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States222 Posts
July 26 2013 08:23 GMT
#31927
Thanks for the information! Right now, he's only 11 and needs to learn how to do video editing so a basic low end movie maker type software is fine. He'll pretty much be a hobbyist for quite a few years.

Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-26 08:49:34
July 26 2013 08:24 GMT
#31928
On July 26 2013 14:06 iTzSnypah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 05:49 Cyro wrote:
On July 26 2013 05:09 skyR wrote:
This is better: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231666


Just to add, Belial took i believe that exact kit to 3000mhz cas13 with 1.8v if anyone's buying haswell and interested in RAM oc

It was a Mushkin kit.
www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17957209


Nah, that was his 2400/2200 RAM (though he got 2400cas8 with one pair), he sold it with his system when he flipped it for like >50% profit. He couldn't take it or other ram higher due to ivy bridge memory controller limits on his last cpu
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
amorse94
Profile Joined July 2013
United States5 Posts
July 26 2013 13:45 GMT
#31929
Hey all,

I am looking to buy a gaming desktop and I am not the best at keeping up to date on computer parts and what i should get. My friend referred me to the site so I am hoping some of you can help me out. I have a questionnaire that he sent me to help you understand my needs. Thank you.

What is your budget?

$1,500-$1,600

What is your resolution?

Ideally, I would like to have the best possible resolution. Right now in my current build i have the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760 - 2GB - EVGA Superclocked - Single Card. I am wondering if this is a good choice

What are you using it for?

Mostly gaming. I will be using it to browse occasionally, but I have a separate work computer so this one will be dedicated to gaming.

What is your upgrade cycle?

I am hoping that this build will allow me to have a solid gaming desktop that I won't have to touch for 2-3 years. I don't mind small upgrades, but I would prefer the larger, more expensive components to last a that period.

When do you plan on building it?

I am hoping to start ordering parts for this computer in the upcoming week. I have been thinking about it for a while and I decided that now is the time.

Do you plan on overclocking?

I would like to have the option, but it is not a necessity.

Do you need an Operating System?

Yes

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

Yes. it would be ideal

Where are you buying your parts from?

Online, I have looked at newegg and amazon. Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
July 26 2013 18:47 GMT
#31930
With that budget, you can get whatever you want.

What games do you want to play? A single 760 should be mroe then enough for most games.
You are also getting a monitor? Seeing how you answered the question about your resolution i don't really understand. If you are, getting a 120Hz screen or something alike would be a good addition to the build.

For cpu you definitly want an i5-4670k for 240$, as your only gaming no need for to go higher.
Available in this combo deal with a 3tb hdd for 357$ total.

For motherboard and psu, this combo deal should be great for you, get the Corsair HX650 with the Gygabyte GA-Z87X-UD4H for 240$, the psu will handle SLI'd 760 if you want to go that way.

Case, Fractal Design Define R4 Black Pearl for 100$, same model in black, titanium and with/without side window available for whichever you prefer (you can obviously go for any other cast you like, as said with such a budget, personnel preference can go over reason)

cpu heatsink, i'd go with a higher end Phanteks PH-TC14PE for 80$, but that is just me, maybe it is not worth it over other noctua offerings, would need somebody elses advice :/

For ram this G.SKILL kit is really good for 60$

Also, SAMSUNG 840 Series 250gb SSD for 165$

Windows 7 or 8 for 100$, take your pick

Total of this comes to 1102$ which is more then i thought it would have been, but leaves you with the option of SLI later on if you need to, and enough to get a screen if you need one/want a better one
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
July 26 2013 19:30 GMT
#31931
@Amorse94
The question about resolution means: what is your current monitor situation. Models if possible please.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
Drifterxxxx2
Profile Joined July 2013
3 Posts
July 26 2013 19:40 GMT
#31932
hi

i'm building my own PC and i need some help choosing the GPU, i can't decide between GTX 770 and GTX 680, i have the money but i don't know wich one is the best for my needs

it's a full gaming PC with i7 4770 NO OC (i don't want to overclock)


if you guys can give me some good tips for the graphic card it would be great (:

or if you want to recommend a proper CPU, M/B, etc


thanks very much :DDD i accept any good advice
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 26 2013 19:47 GMT
#31933
770 is better and you want a core i5 4670 for gaming as the hyperthreading of the i7 provides little to zero benefit for games.
Melancholia
Profile Joined March 2010
United States717 Posts
July 27 2013 02:59 GMT
#31934
Hoy, everyone. It's been a while, I'm glad to see the thread still going strong! I'm posting for a friend who's been dawdling on figuring out his build despite his current computer being essentially dead by now. He's in the US, no special shipping concerns, has a budget that is both large and flexible ($1500+ if need be). He's a programmer and his work has significant CPU and RAM requirements, so he is insisting on at least an i7 and 16GB of RAM, preferably 32GB or more. The machine should be able to handle a fairly sizeable Linux VM running on Windows while he does everything else. He will game with it over at least two monitors, possibly both 2560x1600. Being able to max out settings on new games would be nice, though Guild Wars and DotA 2 are probably going to be the most frequently played. Power is prioritized over budget, I'm hoping to find a build powerful enough that he doesn't disregard parts of it to upgrade on his own since I doubt it will be as well optimized then. The budget does not need to include new monitors, he'll be getting those separately. Overclocking is not required, unless we can get more gain out of it than we are expecting.

Thanks all! You continue to be awesome.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 27 2013 03:40 GMT
#31935
On July 27 2013 11:59 Melancholia wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hoy, everyone. It's been a while, I'm glad to see the thread still going strong! I'm posting for a friend who's been dawdling on figuring out his build despite his current computer being essentially dead by now. He's in the US, no special shipping concerns, has a budget that is both large and flexible ($1500+ if need be). He's a programmer and his work has significant CPU and RAM requirements, so he is insisting on at least an i7 and 16GB of RAM, preferably 32GB or more. The machine should be able to handle a fairly sizeable Linux VM running on Windows while he does everything else. He will game with it over at least two monitors, possibly both 2560x1600. Being able to max out settings on new games would be nice, though Guild Wars and DotA 2 are probably going to be the most frequently played. Power is prioritized over budget, I'm hoping to find a build powerful enough that he doesn't disregard parts of it to upgrade on his own since I doubt it will be as well optimized then. The budget does not need to include new monitors, he'll be getting those separately. Overclocking is not required, unless we can get more gain out of it than we are expecting.

Thanks all! You continue to be awesome.


Hm this is rather complicated. $1500 is a large budget for the typical gaming configuration but it's pennies for a workstation or Eyefinity configuration. If you really do have a large and flexible budget (like $15,000+) and your friend really does need lots of CPU power and memory then you may want two computers, a Xeon workstation and a very high-end core i5 gaming computer. Since server motherboards aren't designed for gaming, very few if any are going to have a SLI certification and doing high-end Eyefinity / Surround with a single card is basically impossible. And only X79 boards supports more than 32gb of memory but its two generations old.

Doing Eyefinity / Surround with two monitors isn't exactly ideal since you'd be sitting off-center or have a bezel infront of you. And such resolutions require enormous GPU power and maxing out new or even current AAA titles would be impossible. Even tri-SLI Titans, which is a $3000 GPU setup, would drop to unplayable FPS in most games.
Melancholia
Profile Joined March 2010
United States717 Posts
July 27 2013 05:58 GMT
#31936
He's just told me that he'll only game on one screen, the other is mostly for real estate when programming. I hadn't known that newer board don't support more than 32GB, but that's fine. He also believes that going to a Xeon-level machine would be overkill. He doesn't care so much about maxing AAA titles as I might have implied, and I don't personally know how much graphical power the other uses will require; at this point the best I can say if that he's willing to spend money to ensure there won't be any weak points. He is more knowledgeable about computers than I am, though he's not very experienced in actively building them (he's done so a handful of times). The budget I threw out is probably lower than what he is willing to spend, mostly he's just willing to spend money to ensure there won't be any problems.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
July 27 2013 13:57 GMT
#31937
@Melancholia

i7-4770 ($310)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116900

MSI B85 motherboard ($88)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130699

Sapphire 7970 ($320 after promo code)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202008

Crucial 2x8gb 1600mhz RAM ($110 after promo code)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148721

Fractal Design R4 ($80)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352022
A good quiet case. The only downside is ventilation holes on the top, which is a minor liquid spill concern. Still, most high-end cases have this.

Rosewill Capstone 450w ($60)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066

Samsung 840 250gb SSD ($163)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=77211&vpn=MZ-7TD250BW&manufacture=Samsung Memory & Storage&promoid=1275
Sizeable fast SSD for commonly used programs.

Seagate 2tb HDD ($86)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=66010&vpn=ST2000DM001&manufacture=Others&promoid=1275

DVD-burner ($15 after promo code)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151266

Total: $1232

There's ways to spend more, of course. 500gb SSD instead of 250gb. More expensive video card (though this one is high end). Overclockability. But this should do what you're looking for and generally includes upper-end luxury components where that matters.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 27 2013 16:00 GMT
#31938
MisterFred, the Define R4 top vents by default have those acoustic foam-padded covers on them, just like the side one. Though are those watertight?

Am I dumb, or can anybody else not find the CPU support list for the MSI B85-G41? Was the deal with gimped memory support (no two-sided modules if four slots used) only with H61? Anyway, at that kind of price, I'd look at H87 anyway. May as well. AsRock H87 Pro4 is under $80:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157383

And I can actually find that as explicitly supporting Xeon E3 V3. So you can get a E3-1230V3 for $265 and save some over the i7-4770. It's the same chip, really, but that Xeon is missing the integrated graphics. It's still a Haswell quad core with 8MB L3 cache and hyperthreading. Same performance. Yes, it works on consumer motherboards.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116906

You might need an extra SATA cable.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
July 27 2013 17:48 GMT
#31939
Define R4 vent foam-padded covers: maybe not watertight, but possibly good enough to save you in the case of a light spill. Actually, I didn't know it had those - I was just going off the picture on the product page.

Speaking of product pages, newegg said the B85-G41 could support up to 32gb of RAM, though no more than 1600mhz. I basically went with it over that very H87 because the B85 board can crossfire if someone really wants to. Though the H87 you linked is probably better in every other way.

Good reminder on the Xeon, thanks.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 27 2013 18:02 GMT
#31940
Yeah, that's a selling point of Define series and competitors—some kind of vent covers that prevent sound from getting out normally but can be removed if you need to add a fan there.

But with respect to Crossfire, you'd need to replace the Capstone 450W... and B85 means the second card is getting PCIe 2.0 x4 from the PCH. You don't get x8/x8 split to CPU unless on Z series chipset.
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