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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On April 22 2013 00:30 NihiLStarcraft wrote: Haha - no worries, Shikyo, and thanks for clarifying! Yeah, belial possibly meant the 650 (which is overpriced unless it's on sale, I got it for 84.99 back when the 7770 was still like 110+) or maybe the 550Ti. The 650Ti, 7770, and up are all mostly well priced up to the 7870?ish. I think at least. Not sure how the 7950 does on price/performance. | ||
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Lunraid
Finland3 Posts
I am planning to build a new computer and I was wondering does any1 have idea when is the geforce 700 series coming out? should I buy a 680 now or wait for 780? | ||
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Blaec
Australia4289 Posts
On April 22 2013 01:39 TheGreenMachine wrote: PSU: CORSAIR CX500M 500W ATX12V v2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply MOBO: GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-D3H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K RAM: Kingston 4GB 204-Pin DDR3 SO-DIMM DDR3 1333 System Specific Memory Model KAS-N3B/4G SSD: SAMSUNG 840 Pro Series MZ-7PD128BW 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) GPU: HIS H779F1GD Radeon HD 7790 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card AMD Gift FARCRY3 Blood Dragon BIOSHOCK (with radeon 7790) Hows it look? So far I need to work on the RAM and i dont know much about SSD's My first computer build, any thoughts? 4g of ram is feasible if you run one thing at a time, but if you want a game open, a stream open, lots of tabs in your browser or anything like this then 8g is a better choice. Get a 2x4g 1600 mhz name brand thats cheap. Also unless you are only ever going to have 128gb you should get a storage HDD, 1tb is standard these days. If you are getting a 3570k and z77 mobo that indicates overclocking for which you should get a cpu cooler, hyper 212 is solid but there is a huge variety of choices around. Otherwise pretty good build afaik, though someone else should pipe in whether the GPU and PSU are good. Its a kinda low tier GPU, should be ok just for SC2 but if you want to play some new AAA games maybe look at something higher up. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
On April 21 2013 18:12 waffling1 wrote: That's SO helpful, belial. Would you recommend the Asrock Pro4 for $60 over the GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP LGA 1155 Z77 Micro ATX for $65? all the GTX 400 series cards seem to be discontinued. I cannot find them anywhere. a 460 is gong for around 60? that's crazy. Wish i could find some. The 4870 is also elusive online. The case you mentioned is about $10-15 more expensive than the V3. i will not buy Raygo. What's wrong with the Antec VP450? Other than being dual rail and requiring an adapter, the reviews seem to say it's an awesome one for $42 final. I can get CX430 for $33 final, which is good. But wasn't CX430 not as long lasting or quality in other respects? i'd prefer a 5 year warranty over a 3year one as well. What's so bad about 650 Ti? I chose it because it was $115 and it had decent 3dm ratings. even that's overpriced? hrm. I've found great deals on almost all the other components and i'm still hitting $600, final price (which is not bad imo, but they'd like it cheaper) And they would like an i5, preferably. I'd have to convince them to buy i3. plus, the overclocking performance is a lot of bang for the additional buck, so i think overclocking makes sense. If i go with an I3 build, i can cut back on stuff and make the final price $470. You generally want to avoid micro-atx boards - they are low quality for a high price because they are small (only exception might be some of the asus rog boards i think, which are high priced anyways). The Z77M-D3H is nothing like the other D3Hs, it's more in common with the DS3H. The V3 is a really bad case lol. Antec basiq is a very low quality psu, not to mention nowadays it's very outdated. Dual rail really means nothing unless it's a 1000w+ crazy, insane PSU (even then it's not really 'dual rail', it's a bit more complicated). If anything single rail is 'better', but it's such a non-issue on rails on PSUs that are under $200. CX430 is not as high quality as high quality PSUs, but it's a decent CWT. It's much higher quality than a basiq, and what it lacks in quality, it's made up for in low price and the best support in the PSU industry. Unless you run a ton of peripherals, there's really no foul using a cx430. I only blew out a few because I'm an idiot. 650TI is just not priced too well. There's a 7790 and 7850 on newegg that are priced much better. Go with the 7790, way better pricedo n newegg. If they want an i5, they want an i5. Is this your money? An i3 is more than powerful enough for gaming (really I'd go for a phenom x4 and a $40 AM3, not am3+, board off geeks.com), i5 is literally just the best of the best, which i think would get lost on a 13 year old. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
4g of ram is feasible if you run one thing at a time, but if you want a game open, a stream open, lots of tabs in your browser or anything like this then 8g is a better choice. Get a 2x4g 1600 mhz name brand thats cheap. Streaming doesn't really take any additional RAM. On a single monitor, you can't really have a game open and a ton of tabs open at the same time (yes, in background, but that doesn't take up as much ram as dual monitor and both at same time). Given current RAM prices, if you are locked in budget maybe go with 4gb now, 4gb later. Of course you can just go 8gb now, whatever, but on single monitor there's really no need to go above 4gb of ram, because a ton of tabs and gaming and streaming isn't going to push 4gb on single monitor. It's not the 2nd monitor that increases ram usage, it's what you can do with it that does. Also unless you are only ever going to have 128gb you should get a storage HDD, 1tb is standard these days. Where is 1TB the standard? Maybe in rip-off dells it is. Most users will never go above 128gb, especially gamers. Worst case scenario, you throw in a second 128gb SSD. People make it out that adding or upgrading a custom computer build is just impossible lol. I haven't used more than 50GB on my 80GB ssd in the last 3 years, and I don't really delete things immediately, I download movies and everything just like everyone else. No one is going to come close to 1TB,much less even 250gb, unless you are doing something 'differen't (ripping blu rays, saving tons of youtube videos...). I wouldn't necessarily call the 7790 a low tier GPU, more mid-range. You could max out SC2 easily these days with lower end GPUs, it's other games that might be a bit more demanding. If you aren't playing crysis/bioshock/bf4, then there's not really a need for much more, and it's at a great price right now. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Most users will never go over 128gb? I'm not sure who those "most users" are, but I'm struggling with 4TB. | ||
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Blaec
Australia4289 Posts
On April 22 2013 03:02 Belial88 wrote: Streaming doesn't really take any additional RAM. On a single monitor, you can't really have a game open and a ton of tabs open at the same time (yes, in background, but that doesn't take up as much ram as dual monitor and both at same time). Given current RAM prices, if you are locked in budget maybe go with 4gb now, 4gb later. Of course you can just go 8gb now, whatever, but on single monitor there's really no need to go above 4gb of ram, because a ton of tabs and gaming and streaming isn't going to push 4gb on single monitor. It's not the 2nd monitor that increases ram usage, it's what you can do with it that does. Where is 1TB the standard? Maybe in rip-off dells it is. Most users will never go above 128gb, especially gamers. Worst case scenario, you throw in a second 128gb SSD. People make it out that adding or upgrading a custom computer build is just impossible lol. I haven't used more than 50GB on my 80GB ssd in the last 3 years, and I don't really delete things immediately, I download movies and everything just like everyone else. No one is going to come close to 1TB,much less even 250gb, unless you are doing something 'differen't (ripping blu rays, saving tons of youtube videos...). I wouldn't necessarily call the 7790 a low tier GPU, more mid-range. You could max out SC2 easily these days with lower end GPUs, it's other games that might be a bit more demanding. If you aren't playing crysis/bioshock/bf4, then there's not really a need for much more, and it's at a great price right now. Good point on 2nd monitor. I couldn't live without at least 2tb. I have a 1tb in my tv that is nearly full and another 2tb in my desktop thats half full then a couple of externals, space is cheap why not waste it. I am highly impressed you manage to live within 80gb. I guess you could call 7790 midrange if you want, but we agree if he wants to play AAA titles then he would need to spend more. | ||
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Gumbi
Ireland463 Posts
On April 22 2013 03:03 Shikyo wrote: I'm pretty sure he's from Europe, and at least on hardwareversand GTX 650 Ti is 113 euros whereas 7790 is 125+ and 7850 is in an entirely different price bracket. Most users will never go over 128gb? I'm not sure who those "most users" are, but I'm struggling with 4TB. There a few sub €120 7790s on Mindfactory, and one for less than €115, too! http://www.mindfactory.de/Hardware/Grafikkarten (VGA).html/1/4587#ajax_search_query=7790 | ||
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
@Cyro - yeah I'll probably be moving on from my 580 once there's more info on the Kepler refresh, whenever that happens later this year, but hoping for actual updates after Computex in June. | ||
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TheGreenMachine
United States730 Posts
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bode927
United States164 Posts
This is the build here: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/S8NB I am fairly settled on the parts for this build. The thing that I am most undecided about is the memory. From what I understand I want 1.5v memory with the lowest cas latency i can get. Is there any difference in these 5 items besides price that can help me choose or is it just personal preference? They're all 8 GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 1.5V 8-8-8-24 CAS Latency. If anyone has any tips on how to find the best one I would be glad for your help. Otherwise I'll probably just pick the coolest looking one. GSKILL RIPJAW X: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231445 Corsair Vengeance: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233147 Mushkin Enhanced Blackline: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226295 Crucial Ballistix Tactical Tracer: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148519 Corsair Dominator PLATINUM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233282 Also, I welcome any suggestions or constructive criticism on the entire build. Thanks! | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
RAM? You can go 1.65v if you like, i would prefer one without big heat spreaders, but i think even the Macho can fit with big heat spreader RAM. They are basically big plastic things on top of the RAM that do nothing for standard users aside from potentially get in the way. You can get a few % performance out of RAM, but 1600mhz cl9 is pretty standard, anything that you can find from a decent brand will do - 1866 cas10 would not really be an upgrade (because you gain frequency but sacrifice latency) and there's not much point spending a lot of money for better RAM, maybe a bit more but not really worth it. 1600cas8 won't significantly outperform 1600cas9, a few % in some applications at most. 1600cas9 to 2133cas9 is an upgrade i would consider a little relevant (but still small), if you want to grab a tiny bit more performance in some cpu/ram bound tasks, though, without diving into RAM overclocking and complicated shit (not something i would really do) Also keep note that Haswell releases in 6 weeks (new cpu architecture, new socket, new motherboards) and seems to benchmark ~8% better at stock settings, but there's rumor and some reason to believe (or hope..) for better overclocking ability with it, be it through more control of settings we know that we have, higher clock speeds at lower voltage or the issues with heat spreader fixed so temperatures are a lot lower above lowish voltages, hopefully all of them but no solid info probably until intel releases non disclosure agreement, no idea when that will be.. Edit: Aparantly that case only supports coolers up to 160mm height. Macho lists as 162mm, but then again hyper 212 is only a few mm shorter | ||
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bode927
United States164 Posts
As far as increasing the RAM up from 1600 speeds... Isn't it more likely to be unstable when overclocking the CPU the higher you go with the speeds? I am a newbie when it comes to overclocking anything, but that is what I read somewhere. It could be completely inaccurate. In any case, I'll overclock this processor some, but I'm not looking to hit the absolute ceiling that the stability will allow. I want to leave some room on the safe side. | ||
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148662 ($47 with current promo ending 4/25) Crucial CL9, 1.35, 2x4 low-profile kit. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
As far as increasing the RAM up from 1600 speeds... Isn't it more likely to be unstable when overclocking the CPU the higher you go with the speeds? I am a newbie when it comes to overclocking anything, but that is what I read somewhere. It could be completely inaccurate. RAM is RAM, with 4 or 2 sticks below 2000-2400mhz or so it's pretty much irrelevant for CPU stability on ivy bridge AFAIK, it's mostly a seperate variable. If you were to buy RAM rated for 2133mhz cl9 1.65v for example, you can just set that, and 99% you won't have issues because of it - worst case scenario is just you step down to 2000 or something, pretty much. If it doesn't do the rated frequencies and timings at the rated voltage, it is literally faulty hardware. And it's not about pushing absolute limit's, it's just you are temperature limited on Ivy. While a hyper 212 might give you 4.5ghz, you could get 4.8 potentially on a macho (random numbers, too many variables to say for sure) on the same temperatures, with both being at a completely safe and relatively low voltage. It's just as simple as for Ivy Bridge, in almost all cases, better cooling == higher CPU clock speeds. The main and often only reason you would stop overclocking further is because your CPU is too hot - it's EXTREMELY difficult to use too much voltage, unlike on some previous CPU's - because you run into temperature issues long before reaching at all dangerous voltages - it's basically about frequency, voltage and heat, nothing else. Increasing frequency requires increased voltage for stability, which increases heat. When heat reaches a certain level, you cant go further - hence better heatsink - being at 70c instead of 88c on the CPU for example, can let you increase clock speeds a bit more. It's a pretty marginal thing though, 212 is a decent heatsink and good for standard, lower end overclocking - just not at all for hard pushing. If you're not going to notice a few % performance, any RAM changes will be basically invisible, same as a few hundred mhz on the CPU, but some people like me and belial for example, it's important for. He took CPU to 5ghz and RAM to 2400mhz cl8, which can give like a 15% or even a touch more performance lead over 4.5ghz cpu and stock standard RAM in some cases, though you have to either be very extreme or lucky to do that, really. It's just about increasing performance, some things like sc2 just don't care what GPU you have etc, but will respond very well to faster clocked CPU cores - but that's pretty much the only way to raise minimum FPS. | ||
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bode927
United States164 Posts
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
On April 22 2013 04:28 bode927 wrote: Hi there. I posted here a few days ago. I am attempting to get the best possible system at a reasonable price. Right now I'm at $1200 and I'm not looking to go a ton higher, but I will for a quality upgrade. This build will be primarily used for gaming. My current PC is about 3 years old. This is the build here: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/S8NB I am fairly settled on the parts for this build. The thing that I am most undecided about is the memory. From what I understand I want 1.5v memory with the lowest cas latency i can get. Is there any difference in these 5 items besides price that can help me choose or is it just personal preference? They're all 8 GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 1.5V 8-8-8-24 CAS Latency. If anyone has any tips on how to find the best one I would be glad for your help. Otherwise I'll probably just pick the coolest looking one. GSKILL RIPJAW X: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231445 Corsair Vengeance: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233147 Mushkin Enhanced Blackline: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226295 Crucial Ballistix Tactical Tracer: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148519 Corsair Dominator PLATINUM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233282 Also, I welcome any suggestions or constructive criticism on the entire build. Thanks! There's a few bad parts in there Hyper 212 EVO is a terrible heatsink and overpriced. Go with the Zalman LQ-315 for $39AR on Newegg - it's basically a mid-high end heatsink, it'll perform similar to a macho, it'll outperform archons, venomous x, it's a really good deal. Not to mention it's absurd you get a ud3h and 3570k and then such a crappy heatsink, makes no sense at all. I think a 7950 would be a better choice than 660ti - I'm assuming you play games like bioshock, crysis, etc, for sc2 and dota and blizzard games this is complete overkill. but the 660ti you picked really isn't a bad deal at all. blademasters are terrible fans. Get Yate Loons from Petras Tech Shop instead for cheap fans. I would recommend you go with a Rosewill Capstone instead, maybe the 550w version (450 would be fine, really, but with that high end of a gpu). seasonic did not even make it on the OCN community choice awards this year, while capstone did and is probably the best series of PSUs to come out the last year. do you really need a cd writer? As for the RAM: All of the RAM you posted, besides the overpriced crucial tactical tracers which is jsut bad micron d9 with flashy lights on them (which do look great on the ud3h, the blue/orange version, make sure youg et the right color, not red/green, but you are better buying 4x2gb on ebay if you really insist on the flashy tracers), are all the exact same micron d9 ram. Just buy whichever is cheapest. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148662 Same exact RAM, but with a 20% off coupon so it's the cheapest. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
His choice in heatsink is atrocious though - it's a bad heatsink, it's overpriced for it's level of performance, and it's absurd to get such a low end heatsink with such a high end build. The zalman lq315 is a wayyyy better choice. 660ti is generally not recommended over the 7950, blademasters suck horribly and much worse than yate loons. Also better choices for power supply. | ||
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