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FinBenton
Finland870 Posts
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
On April 21 2013 14:38 Lolzre wrote: Hi Guys this is a build for a friend has wondering if any is wrong or anything you guys can upgrade we are Australian just for playing sc2 maybe some higher end stuff and a bit of programming CPU: Intel i5-3570 GPU: Power Color Radeon HD 7870 XT MOBO: Asrock H77-PRO4-MVP SDD: SAMSUNG 840 Series MZ-7TD120BW 2.5" 120GB PSU: OCZ Fatality 550W PSU RAM: Corsair CMX8GX3M2A1600C9 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz CASE: Aywun A1-923-U3NP anything else we have covered like screens and stuff Then link the site you are buying from. Price is everything, what might be a great deal here, is a terrible deal over there. And it happens all the time, normally on this site we'd probably recommend like a rosewill capstone or a corsair high quality psu, but those are like $150+ while the fsp raider is really cheap over there. ocz fataility is a bad quality psu though, it's old, and you dont need 550w. Quality > quantity, dont worry at all about wattage. go for i5-3570k instead, 7870xt is worse than the 7950, go with a cheapo z77 board instead of h77, dont go with asrock, 840 ssd sucks, go with the 830 or 840pro instead (both are better, 830 is cheaper), aywun is a noname bad case. | ||
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waffling1
599 Posts
On April 21 2013 06:20 Belial88 wrote: If this build is for a kid, dude just go with a phenom x4 and a 4870/4850 used. 13 years old? A phenom x4 and 4870 will outperform even the ps4 and xbox 720, it'll be fine. "Future proof' is a stupid concept for computers - you are building it specifically because it's so customizable. The kid can buy a new GPU with his first job at 16 if his 4870 really becomes so bad. On the flip side, all of this hardware is so powerful that'll last many, many years except against the latest bioshock or crysis games. Like I posted before, what's a 'mild overclock' totally depends on the CPU. If you got a good chip, it'll be very mild and easy to do 5ghz, but if you got a bad chip and a bad motherboard, then you'll struggle to make 4.5ghz work even with extreme voltages. It's complete luck on the chip binning and then how much quality you put into the mobo and cpu. but for $19 the hyper 212+ is good enough for a low overclock, a better cooler can be bought later, the kid really doesn't need much, he can overclock more on his own. Go for the Pro4 at $59 instead. It's not listed on the website, you got to sign up for the email specials. Hint hint, if you are looking to build a computer, you should really sign up for microcenter and newegg specials and have http://www.overclock.net/f/327/online-deals as your homepage. Every other week microcenter sends an email dropping 3 motherboards to about half the already insanely low prices they have on their website. The G41 has been $20 a few times, but at that price it's not worth it. Didn't you say something about future proofing? The g41 won't last many years. 650ti is crap, it's such a bad card and overpriced. Go with a gtx 460, it's half the price and performs similiarly. I'd really just go with a 4870/4850 for a kid build though... maybe even an i3 instead, just stick with stock cooling. An i3 is really still a very capable CPU. PSU, CX430 or CX430m, on newegg For case, nzxt source 210 is probably your best bet, im sure someone has it for $35 or less. Raygo is a lot worse than thermaltake, and thermaltake makes bad cases. I've seen so many people fall prey to the crap that is the v3 lol. Please avoid the v3 as much as possible, it's a piece of garbage. That's SO helpful, belial. Would you recommend the Asrock Pro4 for $60 over the GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP LGA 1155 Z77 Micro ATX for $65? all the GTX 400 series cards seem to be discontinued. I cannot find them anywhere. a 460 is gong for around 60? that's crazy. Wish i could find some. The 4870 is also elusive online. The case you mentioned is about $10-15 more expensive than the V3. i will not buy Raygo. What's wrong with the Antec VP450? Other than being dual rail and requiring an adapter, the reviews seem to say it's an awesome one for $42 final. I can get CX430 for $33 final, which is good. But wasn't CX430 not as long lasting or quality in other respects? i'd prefer a 5 year warranty over a 3year one as well. What's so bad about 650 Ti? I chose it because it was $115 and it had decent 3dm ratings. even that's overpriced? hrm. I've found great deals on almost all the other components and i'm still hitting $600, final price (which is not bad imo, but they'd like it cheaper) And they would like an i5, preferably. I'd have to convince them to buy i3. plus, the overclocking performance is a lot of bang for the additional buck, so i think overclocking makes sense. If i go with an I3 build, i can cut back on stuff and make the final price $470. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20318 Posts
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Arnstein
Norway3381 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20318 Posts
One might have slightly higher clock speeds, but firstly it's pretty much irrelevant and secondly you can just set clock speeds yourself anyway if it's important to you | ||
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NihiLStarcraft
Denmark1413 Posts
On April 21 2013 06:20 Belial88 wrote: 650ti is crap, it's such a bad card and overpriced. Can somebody confirm/double-source this? Because I was just about to order that GPU. I put up my build several times in here with the 650 Ti in it and nobody complained, that's why I'm a little surprised to read this now. Also, I know the 460 is supposedly the alternative slightly below, what are alternatives 'slightly' above (ie. 20-30 EUR more max.)? | ||
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Arnstein
Norway3381 Posts
On April 21 2013 19:23 NihiLStarcraft wrote: Can somebody confirm/double-source this? Because I was just about to order that GPU. I put up my build several times in here with the 650 Ti in it and nobody complained, that's why I'm a little surprised to read this now. Also, I know the 460 is supposedly the alternative slightly below, what are alternatives 'slightly' above (ie. 20-30 EUR more max.)? From this it doesn't look too bad: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-3.html | ||
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
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Snaap
Germany22 Posts
On April 21 2013 11:54 Belial88 wrote: Likely a motherboard or PSU issue. When you turn it on, does the fan spin in the power supply? Low quality power supplies can go dead after 2-3 years, it's not uncommon, so that's my guess. Even if you build a new computer you are going to need a power supply. I mean we should do a bit more testing, but basically if we can deduce it's likely the PSU then just order the cx430 and throw it in. The parts aren't really that old, I would imagine most of your stuff is still covered under warranty. If something really is wrong, you could get it replaced for free. Well you were talking about upgrades, so it's kinda silly to talk upgrades if you didn't overclock your build imo. I mean you are just paying money for performance you could have for the price of a $20 heatsink, basically. A phenom x4 build is very easily worth a good $300 on craigslist, it's definitely worth your time to fix it up. It's really important you tell me ALL of the components you have, I dont know why you insist on making it difficult for us to help you. Tell us the case you use, the heatsink, the exact ram model, i mean you need to be telling what mouse you use and what temperature air you breath man, do you want this fixed or not? I'll be happy to pay you a flat $100 for you to just ship me your computer if you dont want to go through the trouble, I'll pay you right now. For example, now that you told me what model your motherboard is, I'm actually very suspect that your motherboard likely blew out. You should take a flashlight to it, and look at the VRM (google it). You need to look for BLOWN CAPS (google it), or any sort of browning, discoloration, burn marks, etc. Check the backside as well, you should be able to see from the other side (IF YOU TOLD US WHAT CASE YOU HAD I COULD TELL YOU HOW TO DO THIS)You could do the same for your power supply but that's a bit more advanced and not worth the trouble and it'll void the warranty, preventing you from getting a free replacement if it really is your PSU. If your current system was fine I'd literally recommend you just buy the exact same comopnents for your next build, but i dont think it's necessary for you to do that. I mean really, if you give us more information we could basically tell you to just replace one component, instead of you buying a phenom x4 again when you already have a perfectly working one. If you dont want to go through the trouble, there's a huge market for AS/IS components, I'll be happy to pay a pretty penny for your components and I can figure out for myself if it's good or not. Going rate on a good phenom x4 is around $60-80, but going rate on a as/is phenom x4 is about $20-40. A PSU tester won't really tell you if you have a good power supply or not, they are pretty useless. Do you have access to a digital multimeter (or even analogue) by any chance? Anyways inspect your motherboard, and, turn on your system and tell me if the fan spins in the power supply or not. Antec 183p 2x Gskill Pi-Series DDR3-1333 PC3-10600 2GBx2 Be quiet dark power pro 850W AMD Phenom x4 BE boxed 770-C35 MSI GTX 260 extreme+ Razor mouse Cherry keyboard 2x Samsung Synchmaster T240 WD Blue HDD 1TB (1 month old) No warrenty on anything else because >4 years old So I took out the psu so I could see its fan and started the PC, the fan spinned for 10-30 seconds. (I tried this twice) I'll check the vrm things when i get home, thx Edit: I looked ober the MB, dont think anything is blown... I'll Start by ordering a psu because this I can realisticly exchange myself. If the psu is not The issue then wie can probably assume that its the MB? How complicated is ist to exchange One? | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On April 21 2013 19:23 NihiLStarcraft wrote: Can somebody confirm/double-source this? Because I was just about to order that GPU. I put up my build several times in here with the 650 Ti in it and nobody complained, that's why I'm a little surprised to read this now. Also, I know the 460 is supposedly the alternative slightly below, what are alternatives 'slightly' above (ie. 20-30 EUR more max.)? Look at this table: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html Cards in the same row have very similar performance, so you can use that to compare prices and find alternatives. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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NihiLStarcraft
Denmark1413 Posts
On April 21 2013 22:56 Shikyo wrote: At that price point (115 euro), GTX 550 Ti is in my opinion definitely the best choice. It also is quiet and uses little power and overclocks well - I don't think there's really any problems with it. It's also good enough to run everything decently at 1080p. So you're suggesting the 550 Ti over the 650 Ti? They are exactly the same price for me (~120 EUR). | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20318 Posts
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mikodrak
Czech Republic78 Posts
Running though this thread, I also decided to come with a plea for help. My computer just broke, so it presents me with an opportunity to make myself happy  I find it very hard to decide which parts to go for. I am quite sure in some cases, but I would like someone who knows the stuff (as I don't) to check it out and tell me whether it would be a well balanced rig or that I'm completely dumb Also, there are just so many things on the market that seem "identical to me" that I get lost all the time when getting to the decision "this is the one".BUDGET: My budget is somewhere around $1000; will pay some more if it's worth it/needed, will save a lot if possible. RESOLUTION: Three 1650x1080 monitors. , FOR WHAT: I use it for a whole variety of stuff - mostly graphics (Photoshop, After Effects, Cinema 4D) and occasionally gaming; usually, I have multiple programs opened at the time and switch between them frequently. UPG CYCLE: I upgrade marginally (a part or two) once in like 2 years, change the whole rig once in 4-5 years. WHEN: I need to do this asap as my old computer is dead. OC-ing/SLI: Never tried to OC, but I'd like to try it this time; by no means some hardcore stuff, but getting it up a few 100s MHz faster would be nice. WHERE WILL I GET PARTS: We have quite a number of e-shops here and the prices are quite the same as in US, but obviously utilizing any deals you might know of is a no-no. So, feel free to post any products from the sites you are comfortable with; I should be able to look them up and/or judge the alternatives by myself. Hopefully. Anyway, here is my FORMER rig (about 4,5 years old - this is just for overall comparison): - 3 LF 1650x1080 monitors (I'm keeping these) - CPU: Intel Q6600 (factory clock) - GPU: Radeon HD3870 - RAM: 4GB 866MHz - HDD: eSATA HDD 1TB (want to keep), no SSD - OS: Win7 ultimate (want to keep) After going through some current benchmark, I'm getting the idea that there is "quite some room" for the performance upgrade, even though my budget is not superb. What are my main points with the upgrade are: 1) RAM: USD75 | Finally I want to experience the 64-bit system (I need a lot of RAM for PS and also working with sculpting in C4D/Zbrush, so I'm thinking about at least 8, maybe 16GB - what do you guys think? I noticed people here talking about high RAM prices atm - should I just buy 4GM and wait?) Also, there are just so many products which are basically the same price (for 1gb), I'm finding hard to pick one as I don't really know about the brands and their quality. (Corsair 8GB KIT DDR3 1600MHz CL9 XMS3, 2x4GB, PC3-12800, CL9-9-9-27) 2) STORAGE: USD120 | Want a "decent" SSD and wonder it it'll really make things that much smoother. I actually use up a lot of my HDD space (about 400gigs now), but most of it is data that I don't use on a regular basis. So my idea is - getting a 128GB SSD for system, the crucial software and my current projects, and using my old slow eSATA 1GB HDD to store the rest. Does this make sense? Anyway, I'm thinking about this one: (Kingston SSDNow V300 120GB 7mmSSD 2.5", SATA III, TRIM, MLC, SandForce, read/write 450MB/s); I know it's not a top notch one, but the speeds seem pretty comparable to me. 3) GPU: USD250 | After going through some benchmarks and prices, I decided to go for a Geforce 660 card, which should be a really significant upgrade. I like this one (MSI N660 Twin Frozr III 2GD5/OC; 2GB DDR5 (6008MHz), NVIDIA GeForce GTX660 (1033MHz), Boost clock 1098MHz, PCIe x16, SLi, 192bit, DisplayPort, 2xDVI, HDMI). My question is - there are oc'd pieces that are usually slightly pricier; is it worth to go for these (I noticed that their operating MHz are higher and they're often equipped with fancier fans or heatsinks, but still wonder whether are these just eye candy/marketing tricks or whether there is a noticeable performance benefit). Also, here in Czech Republic, some of them come with bundles (Planetside2, WOT, Hawken free-to-play coupons for USD150 and Metro: Last Night coupon for USD50). That sounds pretty interesting when the card costs USD250, as I can imagine that they can be resold on e-bay for some % of their original price. Anyone has experience with doing it? 4) CPU: USD250 | I'm thinking about (Intel Core i5 3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad Core) and most of the CPU recommendations around here seem to agree with me. Quite frankly I could benefit from more cores, but the prices seem exorbitant to me. 5) MB/PSU/CASE USD300 | : I really need advice on this. I would basically like a "decent" mb to allow for some overclocking that would go well with all the other parts I picked, but I don't need any fancy shit. Please advice me! As for the PSU and CASE, mine are (4,5 years) old, but I would like to ask whether it makes sense to keep them or just replace them. One part of me wants a completely new rig, but again, I would be able to afford some better parts or save money if I kept them. Are there any dangers of doing so? Urrghh.. that's it. Hopefully everything is clear. I've gotta say that even sitting down to write this was pretty beneficial, as it really made me go though everything from start to finish. In case someone would be willing to consult (or in fact read through the whole thing), you are awesome already | ||
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Arnstein
Norway3381 Posts
On April 21 2013 19:04 Arnstein wrote: Which one is better, and what are the differences between Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB GDDR5 and XFX Radeon HD 7870 2GB GDDR5? The XT is 20 dollars more expensive, is it worth it? Anyone got anything a bit more specific to say about this? | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On April 21 2013 23:18 NihiLStarcraft wrote: Thanks for the opinions on the 650 Ti so far! So you're suggesting the 550 Ti over the 650 Ti? They are exactly the same price for me (~120 EUR). No, it was a typo >_< I don't even know why, it's not like I'm IIRC typoing anything else but this one... Anyway, GTX 650 Ti indeed is the best choice for the price point -.- | ||
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NihiLStarcraft
Denmark1413 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20318 Posts
650ti is superior, i typo 650 to 550 all the time, not sure if that's what Shikyo did though No, it was a typo >_< I don't even know why, it's not like I'm IIRC typoing anything else but this one... Don't worry, i do it too. It's the only piece of hardware i typo, and i did it like three times in the space of 2-4 days in replies on TL.. it's cursed =P Anyone got anything a bit more specific to say about this? I gave you an answer, what more do you want? I mean, any more specific questions from you? Not sure what to add. | ||
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TheGreenMachine
United States730 Posts
MOBO: GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-D3H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K RAM: Kingston 4GB 204-Pin DDR3 SO-DIMM DDR3 1333 System Specific Memory Model KAS-N3B/4G SSD: SAMSUNG 840 Pro Series MZ-7PD128BW 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) GPU: HIS H779F1GD Radeon HD 7790 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card AMD Gift FARCRY3 Blood Dragon BIOSHOCK (with radeon 7790) Hows it look? So far I need to work on the RAM and i dont know much about SSD's My first computer build, any thoughts? | ||
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