EPTThe 460 is a great card though.
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
The 460 is a great card though. | ||
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waffling1
599 Posts
Budget: around 600, but preferably 500. Resolution: 1080 or less Use: mild gaming and future proofing (13-18 year old kid) Cycle: 5 years When: before April 30 OC: mild, without need of massive cooling. just hyper 212+. so likely less than 4.5 GHz OS: don't need to buy OS only 1 GPU Location: USA California Orange county (Microcenter, Tigerdirect, Frys, Newegg if i have to, others) So far I'm looking at this build (after tax prices) MICROCENTER: CPU ($162 after combo discount of $40) i5-3570k Mobo ($93) MSI Z77A-G41 CPU cooler ($23) CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ TIGERDIRECT: Shipping so far (around $15) RAM ($20+$20) (total 8 GB) TWO of "Corsair 2x2GB 1333 C9 XMS3 CMX4GX3M1A1333" GPU ($115) Galaxy GTX 650 Ti 1GB PSU ($??) (Please help me find a decent quality for under $40 if possible. (I only need only 1 PCIe cable because the GPU is GTX 650 Ti) Optical ($16) Samsung x24 Case ($23 or $29) Raygo MT MicroATX ($23) http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4917200&CatId=1509 or Thermaltake V3 ($29) http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5520044&csid=_61 (Is the Raygo a lot worse than the Thermaltake? 6 dollars net difference including shipping. If i was building it for myself, my tastes would say go with Thermaltake V3. Nut if the Raygo can do the job, my friend might like $6 in savings. The Main difference is Raygo has few drive bays, which really isn't much of an issue. only 1HD, and any future SSD can be mounted in the 2.5" bay.) | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On April 20 2013 19:28 Gumbi wrote: What makes the Z77X-D3H better (it's 20 euro more expensive). The Z77X can do NVidia SLI, that should be the main thing that makes people choose it. The VRM area looks different, there's a different chip used for the additional non-Intel USB ports in the back, it has a second SATA controller for two additional (probably crappy) SATA3 ports. | ||
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Gumbi
Ireland463 Posts
On April 20 2013 22:56 Ropid wrote: The Z77X can do NVidia SLI, that should be the main thing that makes people choose it. The VRM area looks different, there's a different chip used for the additional non-Intel USB ports in the back, it has a second SATA controller for two additional (probably crappy) SATA3 ports. http://www.komplett.ie/komplett/product/zkb_01com/20158962/mb_ga_z77_ds3h_atx_z77_lga1155/details.aspx Is this the kind of board I should be looking for? This is a good board, yes? What I want is a 4.6ghz, 4.8ghz OC on my 3570k with a Hyper 212. Thanks as usual. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On April 20 2013 22:54 waffling1 wrote: (Is the Raygo a lot worse than the Thermaltake? 6 dollars net difference including shipping. If i was building it for myself, my tastes would say go with Thermaltake V3. Nut if the Raygo can do the job, my friend might like $6 in savings. The Main difference is Raygo has few drive bays, which really isn't much of an issue. only 1HD, and any future SSD can be mounted in the 2.5" bay.) You overlooked the cooling. The Thermaltake comes with a fan (I'd guess that's $4 or something), and it's prepared to use 120 mm fans, while the other case relies on having the PSU installed at the top and moving air (and being cooked by the graphics card heat etc. while doing that), and it only has 90 mm fan mounts. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On April 20 2013 23:03 Gumbi wrote: http://www.komplett.ie/komplett/product/zkb_01com/20158962/mb_ga_z77_ds3h_atx_z77_lga1155/details.aspx Is this the kind of board I should be looking for? This is a good board, yes? What I want is a 4.6ghz, 4.8ghz OC on my 3570k with a Hyper 212. Thanks as usual. I think that's not good enough for that. It really needs a heatsink on the half of the VRM area that's for the CPU power if you go that high. If Gigabyte skipped that, they probably also limited the settings in the BIOS to make sure nothing happens. EDIT: Google found this quote: "There are no voltage adjustments on the DS3H. The cheapest Gigabyte board with VCore adjustments is the HD4." | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Some CPU's will do 4.6 on 1.2v, others need 1.45v, some crazy ones will give 4.6 on 1.05v. it's very hard to give numbers because of this, vrm and cooling is dependant mostly on the voltages you are using, NOT clock speed of the CPU (that's actually a very small change in power consumption etc..) So a CPU at 5ghz 1.25v would put less stress on the board and cooler than 4.5ghz 1.3v, or close to it. The hr-02 macho is a MUCH better cooler than the 212+/evo though, if you wanna pay a bit extra for it (i'd say get a 212 for 4.3-4.7 depending on lotto) and also quieter etc, if you have a quality board like the z77 d3h (or z77x d3h, ud3h, ud5h) then with ivy bridge, you are pretty much limited entirely by temperatures so the pretty big gap is worth it, I mean it will totally give you 200 or 300mhz most of the time, and it's not crazy expensive, doesn't even block RAM with big heatspreaders etc i hear | ||
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bode927
United States164 Posts
Windows 7 Case: Rosewill Challenger http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153 Motherboard: Gigabyte X58A-UD3R 1366 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128423 GPU: EVGA GTX 470 1280 MB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130550 PSU: OCZ Pro 700W http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341018 CPU: Intel i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06 GHz 1366. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115211 RAM: Corsair XMS3 6GB 240-Pin 1333 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145220 HDD: WD 10K RPM 150GB SATA 3.0Gb/s http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136296 HDD2: 1TB WD 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284 My goal with the new system is to increase stability, efficiency, and hopefully performance. I'll mostly be using it for gaming at 1920x1080 and general internet use. I don't do any video editing or photoshop. I don't have a hugely restricted budget either. However, I would like to keep it under 1400 dollars or so. Note: I don't need a new OS, monitor, or keyboard/mouse. Windows 7 Case: Corsair 200R http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139018 -Not a gigantic upgrade, but I like the look of it and if I do need more cooling I can always order more fans for it. Professional reviews I have read indicate that it is superior to the Antec Three Hundred Two. Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157304 -Basic motherboard. I like the price and it has the features I need. I am not a person who tends to overclock so I do not need a super fancy board. GPU: HIS 7850 2 GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161406 -Also probably not a monster upgrade over my 470 GTX, but it operates more efficiently on a budget. PSU: Rosewill Capstone 550W Gold http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182068 -This is a quality power supply in this price range, and with the GPU I'm selecting, it should work just fine. CPU: i7-3770k quad core http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116501 -Seems like a solid choice performance wise RAM: GSKILL DDR3 1600 8GB (2x 4GB) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314 -A seemingly solid blend of performance and budget SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147193 -Well reviewed drive with a decent amount of capacity. I'm probably not going to buy a storage drive right away since basically all my computer holds at the moment is windows 7, Starcraft II, and a few other games and programs that come and go. I have external drives for storage if need be. What I want to know from you guys is: -Is now a good time to upgrade? What new technology is coming out within the next six months? -Is it worth my money to upgrade to this computer, or is my old one almost as good? -If it isn't necessary to upgrade my entire PC, should I just upgrade to a SSD? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
What I want to know from you guys is: -Is now a good time to upgrade? What new technology is coming out within the next six months? Haswell releases in 6 weeks (next major intel generation - the last one was jan 2011) But at stock settings, it's pretty close to Ivy Bridge (only ~8% faster..) but could be a lot better, overclocked (overclockered... lol typo) Your 470 is still a decent card (probably not worth upgrading to a 7850) but you can get quite a bit from stepping up on CPU. (read back a few pages actually there's some discussion on the upper end of 400 series - it's opinion of if you should buy them NOW, but if you already have one, it's pretty much a no-brainer to keep it unless you want to pay a lot for a GPU step up) Is your current CPU stock? If so, it's @3.06ghz. Haswell at stock would be like 50% faster, but overclocked, twice that margin or more. IMO The upgrade you should make would be z77+3570k/3770k (OR wait 6 weeks for haswell and get z87+i5/i7), and look into overclocking, you can get so much more value out of it and raw power - it's not nearly as difficult as it used to be (the i7 you have now is a bitch for a newbie to overclock well, for example) As you can't make a big step up on GPU easily, but adding an SSD would be really really great. What are you using the system for? i7 is only better than i5 in certain applications. | ||
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waffling1
599 Posts
On April 20 2013 23:27 Cyro wrote: If you want a 4.6, 4.8 OC, you should probably go for a hr-02 macho. Some CPU's will do 4.6 on 1.2v, others need 1.45v, some crazy ones will give 4.6 on 1.05v. it's very hard to give numbers because of this, vrm and cooling is dependant mostly on the voltages you are using, NOT clock speed of the CPU (that's actually a very small change in power consumption etc..) So a CPU at 5ghz 1.25v would put less stress on the board and cooler than 4.5ghz 1.3v, or close to it. The hr-02 macho is a MUCH better cooler than the 212+/evo though, if you wanna pay a bit extra for it (i'd say get a 212 for 4.3-4.7 depending on lotto) and also quieter etc, if you have a quality board like the z77 d3h (or z77x d3h, ud3h, ud5h) then with ivy bridge, you are pretty much limited entirely by temperatures so the pretty big gap is worth it. thanks, Cyro. 3.4 to 4.4 is a lot for me, and this is for a not-so-tech-savy friend with a 10 year old kid. He'd rather save the $30. Microcenter offers 3470 for $40 less than 3570k. how much can u overclock the 3470 with just a hyper 212+? are there restricted aspects when OCing 3470? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
They still turbo boost - the 3570k for example turbo's to 3.8 or something. other CPU's turbo to a bit less, but turbo's are slightly lower with multiple core load etc (unless it's certain motherboards that cheat the system) It's also microcenter, they have some deals i think specifically on the 3570k ($50 off certain mobo's?) or is that just all i5's? I dont know. That response you quoted was actually to Gumbi but glad if it helps you =P | ||
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bode927
United States164 Posts
On April 20 2013 23:50 Cyro wrote: Haswell releases in 6 weeks (next major intel generation - the last one was jan 2011) But at stock settings, it's pretty close to Ivy Bridge (only ~8% faster..) but could be a lot better, overclocked (overclockered... lol typo) Your 470 is still a decent card (probably not worth upgrading to a 7850) but you can get quite a bit from stepping up on CPU. (read back a few pages actually there's some discussion on the upper end of 400 series - it's opinion of if you should buy them NOW, but if you already have one, it's pretty much a no-brainer to keep it unless you want to pay a lot for a GPU step up) Is your current CPU stock? If so, it's @3.06ghz. Haswell at stock would be like 50% faster, but overclocked, twice that margin or more. IMO The upgrade you should make would be z77+3570k/3770k (OR wait 6 weeks for haswell and get z87+i5/i7), and look into overclocking, you can get so much more value out of it and raw power - it's not nearly as difficult as it used to be (the i7 you have now is a bitch for a newbie to overclock well, for example) As you can't make a big step up on GPU easily, but adding an SSD would be really really great. What are you using the system for? i7 is only better than i5 in certain applications. Its interesting that a new CPU technology is being released soon. Is that a new socket on the motherboard and everything or just the next step up for this motherboard socket? I don't really overclock much, as I am not much of a cooling enthusiast, and the last time I tried to OC something, (at least 5 years ago) I burned the crap out of it. Noted on the GPU, maybe I'll wait for another generation or two before upgrading. Yes, my current CPU is stock, since like I said, I just use the stock CPU cooler and case fans in a very simple budget case. I'm not super comfortable with it and have had bad experiences in the past. I think I will wait for that next level of CPU technology before upgrading anything. My computer is mostly used for gaming and watching streams, often both at the same time. I run a dual screen setup, both at 1920 x 1080 resolution. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Its interesting that a new CPU technology is being released soon. Is that a new socket on the motherboard and everything or just the next step up for this motherboard socket? New socket, new architecture. You can overclock easily now, on sandy/ivy bridge, and if you want to, on haswell, you can literally just touch multiplier and voltage, and check for temperatures and stability. There's little difficulty in it, and it's easy to talk through, i did that for a couple people. It's just so easy, and the gains are so massive, it's hard to say no. I can't think of a way to really have a bad experience with it these days, unless you do something very very very silly. For certain GPU bound games, you could benefit from a GPU upgrade, but you already have a good GPU. For a loose reference, check http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html (passmark not the best comparison, but it's ok for loose check of gpu's i feel) OC is just so easy, Right now an easily achievable overclock would be 4.4 or 4.5ghz with Ivy bridge if you pay a little - a pretty big step over the 3.4-3.5ghz stock, but i have faith in Intel to push that up 200-500mhz with Haswell. With $60 more over a stock setup (good board and great cooler) you can make a 3.4 to 4.6-4.8ghz OC on ivy bridge with just a few hours and an overnight test, like i said it's really difficult to fuck up - that's just such a massive gain in performance, hard to say no to. | ||
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Gumbi
Ireland463 Posts
On April 20 2013 23:27 Cyro wrote: If you want a 4.6, 4.8 OC, you should probably go for a hr-02 macho. Some CPU's will do 4.6 on 1.2v, others need 1.45v, some crazy ones will give 4.6 on 1.05v. it's very hard to give numbers because of this, vrm and cooling is dependant mostly on the voltages you are using, NOT clock speed of the CPU (that's actually a very small change in power consumption etc..) So a CPU at 5ghz 1.25v would put less stress on the board and cooler than 4.5ghz 1.3v, or close to it. The hr-02 macho is a MUCH better cooler than the 212+/evo though, if you wanna pay a bit extra for it (i'd say get a 212 for 4.3-4.7 depending on lotto) and also quieter etc, if you have a quality board like the z77 d3h (or z77x d3h, ud3h, ud5h) then with ivy bridge, you are pretty much limited entirely by temperatures so the pretty big gap is worth it, I mean it will totally give you 200 or 300mhz most of the time, and it's not crazy expensive, doesn't even block RAM with big heatspreaders etc i hear Well, my 3570k is decent. Not super, mind you, but decent. I was getting 4.6ghz on my z77 pro3 at less than 1.25v. But then my mobo died. I don't think it was related to any of the faults discussed in this thread, just bad luck, because it happened after I dced then reced my GPU. Just bad luck I suppose. In getting sick of no PC for a month (RMA mixup) and all this bashing of the pro3 bothers me  . So I'm thinking of buying a good Gigabyte one and selling my pro3 when it gets returned.Plus, I expect I'll be getting a bequeit dark rock pro 2 cooler (almost as good as the noctua dh14, much quieter). I'm in Dublin (capital) for the weekend and I can purchase directly from Komplett.ie ' a warehouse - not the most competitive prices, but handy in that I can have a computer as soon as possible after a long month of playing SC2 on a second gen mobile i3! Would you be so kind as to link an appropriate Gigabyte boar for me from this site? Thanks so much!!! | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Well, my 3570k is decent. Not super, mind you, but decent. I was getting 4.6ghz on my z77 pro3 at less than 1.25v Asrock z77 you can't trust voltage readings. You could easily have 1.3 or something, reading 1.25 in cpu-z and bios - the variance is MUCH bigger at higher voltages (as much as 0.13v higher supply than cpu-z and bios readings from voltages safe for the cpu..) though it depends a lot, you just really can't accurately measure it without a digital multimeter atleast | ||
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Gumbi
Ireland463 Posts
On April 21 2013 00:32 Cyro wrote: Asrock z77 you can't trust voltage readings. You could easily have 1.3 or something, reading 1.25 in cpu-z and bios - the variance is MUCH bigger at higher voltages (as much as 0.13v higher supply than cpu-z and bios readings from voltages safe for the cpu..) though it depends a lot, you just really can't accurately measure it without a digital multimeter atleast Well it's actually a voltage offset I have, so like I said, I'm not sure of what exactly the voltage was. What Gigabyte board on Komplett would you recommend? | ||
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Snaap
Germany22 Posts
What am I looking for? budget 500-600 (I'm willing to pay up to 800 if its really worth but I dont think I need that much) It has to support 2 monitors (preferably even a third TV) in 1900 x 1200 resolution I should obv have enough power for office, browser I need to use CAD software and Eclipse for univesity but its nothing fancy so it shouldnt be a problem It has to play HD videos I'd like to be able to play games in my native resolution with normal/mid graphics I dont want to worry about having to upgrage for 3-4 years How much power do I need if dont want the new PC to feel slower then my old one (-> see first line) oh and btw I'd prefer to go with an Intel this time. Thanks for any advice! Snaap EDIT: I looked a bit on the net and found the Intel i5-3570 CPU+GPU, is the integrated GPU good enough for my purposes or would I need an addional one? In the "info" box of this GPU it says that it supports 3 monitors - does this mean that I can simply connect 3 monitors? Is the CPU good enough for me? What RAM should I go for, G.Skill still good? What about motherboards, something I should keep in mind? I will be using my old Antec P183, this should not cause any problems as it's more then big enough right? | ||
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pRo9aMeR
595 Posts
case: Zalman ZM-Z9 U3 ATX Mid Tower getting this case for a special reason^^ monitor: ACER G236HLBbd Black 23" 5ms Widescreen LED wanted any good 23" 1920x1080 PSU: Corsair CX430M ATX 12V v2.3 80 PLUS Bronze certified modular active PFC power supply was recommended RAM: Wintec One 8GB (2x4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM 1600 (PC3 12800) was recommended MOBO: GIGABYTE GA Z77X-D3H LGA 1155 Intel 277 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX was recommended CPU: Intel Core i5 3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad Core first time to overclock and install SSD: OCZ Vertex 3 VTX3- 25SAT3-240G 2.5" 240GB SATA III MLC Internal SSD first SSD for me! yeah! GPU: ASUS HD7770 2GD5 Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 2GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossfireX support was recommended Belial (or anyone else!) how's this one looking? Any more changes/recommendations/advice/caution about anything I need? I want this to be fairly futureproof...about 5 years would be nice.^^ PS please read my first post about my budget/needs etc. HERE EDIT: forgot to mention the price! overall with 2 promos plus shipping it comes out to $976.76. It's within budget but if I can cut the price more than I'm all ears. | ||
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Zubrus
Canada4 Posts
I want to get some RAM and I have a question. I have 2GB of ram and I want to get 2 more GB. My cpu is : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ I have 2x 1Gb of RAM and 2 empty slots. I want to know if I can get 1x2Gb or I need to get another 2x1GB. Any other informations are welcome. Thx. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
On April 20 2013 22:54 waffling1 wrote: Hi, I'm doing a build for a friend who has a 10-13 year old kid. So He probably doesn't play too resource intensive games, but I'm looking to future proof him somewhat for a few years when he does. Budget: around 600, but preferably 500. Resolution: 1080 or less Use: mild gaming and future proofing (13-18 year old kid) Cycle: 5 years When: before April 30 OC: mild, without need of massive cooling. just hyper 212+. so likely less than 4.5 GHz OS: don't need to buy OS only 1 GPU Location: USA California Orange county (Microcenter, Tigerdirect, Frys, Newegg if i have to, others) So far I'm looking at this build (after tax prices) MICROCENTER: CPU ($162 after combo discount of $40) i5-3570k Mobo ($93) MSI Z77A-G41 CPU cooler ($23) CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ TIGERDIRECT: Shipping so far (around $15) RAM ($20+$20) (total 8 GB) TWO of "Corsair 2x2GB 1333 C9 XMS3 CMX4GX3M1A1333" GPU ($115) Galaxy GTX 650 Ti 1GB PSU ($??) (Please help me find a decent quality for under $40 if possible. (I only need only 1 PCIe cable because the GPU is GTX 650 Ti) Optical ($16) Samsung x24 Case ($23 or $29) Raygo MT MicroATX ($23) http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4917200&CatId=1509 or Thermaltake V3 ($29) http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5520044&csid=_61 (Is the Raygo a lot worse than the Thermaltake? 6 dollars net difference including shipping. If i was building it for myself, my tastes would say go with Thermaltake V3. Nut if the Raygo can do the job, my friend might like $6 in savings. The Main difference is Raygo has few drive bays, which really isn't much of an issue. only 1HD, and any future SSD can be mounted in the 2.5" bay.) If this build is for a kid, dude just go with a phenom x4 and a 4870/4850 used. 13 years old? A phenom x4 and 4870 will outperform even the ps4 and xbox 720, it'll be fine. "Future proof' is a stupid concept for computers - you are building it specifically because it's so customizable. The kid can buy a new GPU with his first job at 16 if his 4870 really becomes so bad. On the flip side, all of this hardware is so powerful that'll last many, many years except against the latest bioshock or crysis games. Like I posted before, what's a 'mild overclock' totally depends on the CPU. If you got a good chip, it'll be very mild and easy to do 5ghz, but if you got a bad chip and a bad motherboard, then you'll struggle to make 4.5ghz work even with extreme voltages. It's complete luck on the chip binning and then how much quality you put into the mobo and cpu. but for $19 the hyper 212+ is good enough for a low overclock, a better cooler can be bought later, the kid really doesn't need much, he can overclock more on his own. Go for the Pro4 at $59 instead. It's not listed on the website, you got to sign up for the email specials. Hint hint, if you are looking to build a computer, you should really sign up for microcenter and newegg specials and have http://www.overclock.net/f/327/online-deals as your homepage. Every other week microcenter sends an email dropping 3 motherboards to about half the already insanely low prices they have on their website. The G41 has been $20 a few times, but at that price it's not worth it. Didn't you say something about future proofing? The g41 won't last many years. 650ti is crap, it's such a bad card and overpriced. Go with a gtx 460, it's half the price and performs similiarly. I'd really just go with a 4870/4850 for a kid build though... maybe even an i3 instead, just stick with stock cooling. An i3 is really still a very capable CPU. PSU, CX430 or CX430m, on newegg For case, nzxt source 210 is probably your best bet, im sure someone has it for $35 or less. Raygo is a lot worse than thermaltake, and thermaltake makes bad cases. I've seen so many people fall prey to the crap that is the v3 lol. Please avoid the v3 as much as possible, it's a piece of garbage. | ||
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