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On January 21 2013 03:11 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 03:09 Rachnar wrote:On January 21 2013 03:06 wei2coolman wrote:
OP needs to be changed imo. New piledrivers from AMD are really good, actually pretty fucking amazing for their price point. Don"t believe everything you read on the internet The funny thing is everything on the internet still supports the purchase of intels latest processors. the only person who suggests otherwise is logan from teksyndicate.
Bleh. I was going to write out a reply, but if you really want to continue this argument, I'll let smarter people than me do it.
Short version of what you'll here if you still think piledriver is good = no, it isn't. Turns out one guy's flawed review doesn't beat tens of reviews from recognized, respected websites (i.e. anandtech) who don't do CPU tests on 1440P crysis with a 7870 (see: GPU bound benchmark)
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Because "logan from teksyndicate" says it, does that mean it's less likely or more likely to be true? Never heard of the guy until recently, so I don't know the context.
Piledriver would be a lot better if all people ran were synthetic multi-threaded benches. It's not like it's competitive for running games, unless maybe you already own a higher-end heatsink and can overclock a FX-4300 or FX-6300, and you're hitting very specific budget ranges. Unfortunately, many workloads even in tasks like video editing may not be perfectly parallelized. Also, for some of these applications, too bad AVX support is per module, not per (integer) core of course.
OP could use some updating though, yeah. Athlon II / Phenom II are really getting harder to find, and there exist IVB-based sub-i3 processors now too.
aside from the above post,
+ Show Spoiler [check Trine 2 results again] +On January 14 2013 15:51 Myrmidon wrote:
Any situation where HT and slightly more L3 cache are going to make a difference [ed: meaning i7 compared with i5], i7-3820 should be mostly close with i7-3770k. No such trend exists in that data.
Trine 2 1080p:
8350 - 58 fps
3570 - 38.8 fps
3770 - 47.28 fps
3820 - 31.96 fps
When some things are off by dozens of percentage points, is the data really worth looking through? I mean, if you can figure out what's horribly awry, then that's good, but there's no basis for discussion here. It's not like even figuring out what's wrong would give us the "correct" results. May as well bring up the topic you want to discuss and ignore this debacle completely. Analysis: Trine 2 doesn't like bridges. Especially if they're sandy, and -E. Don't people slip on those?
On January 21 2013 02:23 NaZa wrote:Hey guys. I need a gaming pc build that can run at 60fps with high graphics.I'm gonna build it in 2/3 weeks. + Show Spoiler +
My budget is €600/800.
My resolution is 1920x1080.I play with a 27'' monitor.
Only gonna use this machine for gaming.
2/3 years upgrade cycle.
Gonna build it in 2/3weeks.
No overclocking.
I need OS.
I will be using 1 GPU.
Only sites that will deliver to me are :
Scan.co.uk
Amazon.co.uk.
(I live in Ireland)
60 fps in which games? Something like 600 EUR / 500 GBP is a pretty low budget for 1080p gaming, especially since OS is needed, if you have expectations that high.
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On January 21 2013 03:41 Myrmidon wrote:Because "logan from teksyndicate" says it, does that mean it's less likely or more likely to be true? Never heard of the guy until recently, so I don't know the context. Piledriver would be a lot better if all people ran were synthetic multi-threaded benches. It's not like it's competitive for running games, unless maybe you already own a higher-end heatsink and can overclock a FX-4300 or FX-6300, and you're hitting very specific budget ranges. Unfortunately, many workloads even in tasks like video editing may not be perfectly parallelized. Also, for some of these applications, too bad AVX support is per module, not per (integer) core of course. OP could use some updating though, yeah. Athlon II / Phenom II are really getting harder to find, and there exist IVB-based sub-i3 processors now too. aside from the above post, + Show Spoiler [check Trine 2 results again] +On January 14 2013 15:51 Myrmidon wrote:
Any situation where HT and slightly more L3 cache are going to make a difference [ed: meaning i7 compared with i5], i7-3820 should be mostly close with i7-3770k. No such trend exists in that data.
Trine 2 1080p:
8350 - 58 fps
3570 - 38.8 fps
3770 - 47.28 fps
3820 - 31.96 fps
When some things are off by dozens of percentage points, is the data really worth looking through? I mean, if you can figure out what's horribly awry, then that's good, but there's no basis for discussion here. It's not like even figuring out what's wrong would give us the "correct" results. May as well bring up the topic you want to discuss and ignore this debacle completely. Analysis: Trine 2 doesn't like bridges. Especially if they're sandy, and -E. Don't people slip on those? Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 02:23 NaZa wrote:Hey guys. I need a gaming pc build that can run at 60fps with high graphics.I'm gonna build it in 2/3 weeks. + Show Spoiler +
My budget is €600/800.
My resolution is 1920x1080.I play with a 27'' monitor.
Only gonna use this machine for gaming.
2/3 years upgrade cycle.
Gonna build it in 2/3weeks.
No overclocking.
I need OS.
I will be using 1 GPU.
Only sites that will deliver to me are :
Scan.co.uk
Amazon.co.uk.
(I live in Ireland)
60 fps in which games? Something like 600 EUR / 500 GBP is a pretty low budget for 1080p gaming, especially since OS is needed, if you have expectations that high.
I never said, the reason why the vishera new cpu were good because "logan said it", I said logan is the only one who holds that opinion on the internet.
The new amd cores are great for the price point imo. Do they outperform top of the line i7's? or i5's? no. Are they fucking cheap as tits for what they offer? yes.
Also, factor in cheaper mobo costs (on average), the amd new vishera cpu's should be at least considered in a build. Especially in semi-budget builds.
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They're not cheaper than i3s and generally don't do better than them in games. For the ones where the elevated core counts matter, then you're comparing 4-module vs. Core i5 and not i3. So do you consider Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge i3s, Pentiums, Celerons even more cheap for what they offer?
If you're running archival-quality x264 encodes or whatever else all day, that's a completely different matter. But which of these users are stuck at the very specific price points where Vishera is better?
In non-gaming oriented forums, you might see more legitimate discussion of Vishera? I hope.
edit: Anyway, results in reputable review sites are pretty clear. It's just a matter of interpretation.
Seems to me like most of the applications and scenarios that are CPU-constrained that involve user interaction tend to be constrained more by single-threaded performance, especially but not just limited to games. The speed will thus impact user experience. The ones that fully use multi-threaded performance tend to more often be sit-and-leave-it kind of jobs, where it will just run in the background. A user may not care much if something finishes 30% quicker, or whatever. In the scenarios where speed is mission critical or a bother for work, usually they're not looking at consumer-level single processors, or even if they are, they can at least afford something like i7-3770k.
Obviously there are exceptions, and if in a rare case a Vishera is better for somebody, then go ahead.
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You give up possibly PCI / PCIe slots, possibly RAM slots (check these things), ports, etc. on lowest-end motherboards. On some you even lose Gigabit Ethernet, which would be a big deal if you're transferring stuff in a home network—just not for transfers to the outside world. Maybe slightly worse reliability, particularly on the lowest-end models that use electrolytic capacitors outside of the CPU power circuit. I mean, some of those are situated close to where you'd be running an open-air GPU cooler, so temperatures would be toasty.
On H61, you furthermore lose SATA3 and USB3, which don't matter to most people. You can add expansion cards that give you support for those. So I'd take the Fry's deal. Hopefully any H61 these days has support for IVB out of the box, particularly if Fry's is selling it like that.
You can't even get RAM to operate at speeds over 1600 MHz on B75 / H77 btw (and not higher than 1333 MHz on H61), not like that'd make more than a couple percentage points difference at most anyway
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ASRock H61M-DG3/USB3 actually had out of the box support for IVB (and it has USB3,G-LAN), last time I put together a small budget PC.
So it is not that bad, but if the budget is a bit more flexible, B75/H77 is the way to go.
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On January 21 2013 02:34 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 01:03 KAB00000000M wrote:
My fps actually don't go down. But compared to other friends' pcs they have smoother graphics for some reason. It might be the GPU? What GPU and system is this? If you're using SLI or Crossfire its pretty infamous for these issues as well.
i7-920 @ 4.2 GHz
single Sapphire Radeon HD 5870 1GB
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On January 21 2013 04:42 Myrmidon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +You give up possibly PCI / PCIe slots, possibly RAM slots (check these things), ports, etc. on lowest-end motherboards. On some you even lose Gigabit Ethernet, which would be a big deal if you're transferring stuff in a home network—just not for transfers to the outside world. Maybe slightly worse reliability, particularly on the lowest-end models that use electrolytic capacitors outside of the CPU power circuit. I mean, some of those are situated close to where you'd be running an open-air GPU cooler, so temperatures would be toasty.
On H61, you furthermore lose SATA3 and USB3, which don't matter to most people. You can add expansion cards that give you support for those. So I'd take the Fry's deal. Hopefully any H61 these days has support for IVB out of the box, particularly if Fry's is selling it like that.
You can't even get RAM to operate at speeds over 1600 MHz on B75 / H77 btw (and not higher than 1333 MHz on H61), not like that'd make more than a couple percentage points difference at most anyway
Okay then, the Fry's deal it is. According to Newegg, I won't be losing out on much (no crossfire, only 2 RAM slots, no USB 3.0) but I won't miss those at all. I do have a Sandy Bridge CPU if I have to update BIOS but hopefully Fry's already did it for me.
Okay, so my final build:
i3 3240 $170
MSI H61M-E33 $0
http://www.frys.com/product/7415535?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
XFX Core HD7850 $160 *will OC this*
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150642
Rosewill Capstone 450W 80+ Gold $60
http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-CAPSTONE-Series-Certified-CAPSTONE-450/dp/B006BCKDGW/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1358713884&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=capstone 450
Kingston DDR3 1333 2x2GB $30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104379
CM Elite 430 $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119227
-$20 from CPU/MOBO MIR, -$20 from GPU MIR, $-10 from Case
$410, without tax and shipping. Way below my $500 budget, so that's a bunch more games I can play, maybe go on a date or something. I might invest in 8GB RAM, and/or turn the PSU into the Modular version, and/or get a pack of case fans just so my overall still falls below $450. Any objections or am I good to buy?
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On January 21 2013 00:56 MisterFred wrote:
What hardware you need depends on the software you're using. A quick google search on wondershare doesn't show much except a bunch of marketing gobbly-gook claiming all brands work equally well with their software - but they do claim to support Intel's Quick Sync, which is the bestest & fastest transcoding technology (also, doesn't use the GPU).
So you'll want to go ivy bridge, GPU won't be an issue (if your Dad doesn't game you can just run integrated graphics, actually), and as for RAM, enough RAM to handle the size of the files he's working with should be fine I would think (8gb).
Storage makes a big difference for most casual computing tasks. But some computer illiterate people can't handle two lettered drives (meaning one SSD & one HDD), so keep that in mind. If he's happy with external storage, I'd suggest a single 120gb SSD, probably a Samsung 840 for $100. That'll keep his computer running snappy and he can use his external stuff for media files.
So depending on budget you could be looking at anywhere from an i3-3225 with a cheap H77 mobo (the i3-3225 has HD4000 integrated graphics, unlike HD2500 for other non-K Intel processors, so it's markedly better for your purposes than a regular i3 like an i3-3220)
to an i5-3570k or even i7-3770k with Z77 mobo.
... keep in mind I'm not an expert on this. Best guess only.
Thanks, very helpful. I think a Phenom x4 would be enough power but a conservative 4.5ghz overclock on an i5/i7 would be a huge boost in power vs a 4ghz Phenom x4 (3-4times the price, possibly 2-4 times the performance). I need to look up more if threads, integer points, etc, are important for video editing, especially just basic home movie editing. I do believe a Phenom x4 build would be better than i3 for that price level (4ghz phenom beats i3 in most things, and i believe, not sure, that the 4 cores of the phenom would make it superior for video editing? Again, I'm not really sure what video editing does, if it's heavily multi-threaded or not, so I'll have to do some more research, but a 4ghz phenom beats an ivy i3 in just about anything, and costs less, multithreaded and single-threaded apps).
I thought the 840 was worse than the 830? I'm not exactly sure, I could be wrong on that, but I thought I heard in passing about that. Either way, I'd consider the X25-M G2 160gb, Samsung 830 (and 840? I think MC also has a great deal on the 840 series if you buy it with a motherboard, like $20 off or something, so if i go intel...), HyperK, or M4, depending on the price, ebay bidding trends, discounts somewhere, etc.
I'll probably find some BBSE/PSC ram at under $40 for 2x4gb on ebay or overclock.net marketplace.
Looking to be under $500 if I went with an i5 build for this, under $550 for i7, $70 nzxt guardian case (dont ask), $90 120gb+ ssd, 2x4gb of RAM, and no GPU.
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On January 21 2013 05:41 RiceAgainst wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 04:42 Myrmidon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +You give up possibly PCI / PCIe slots, possibly RAM slots (check these things), ports, etc. on lowest-end motherboards. On some you even lose Gigabit Ethernet, which would be a big deal if you're transferring stuff in a home network—just not for transfers to the outside world. Maybe slightly worse reliability, particularly on the lowest-end models that use electrolytic capacitors outside of the CPU power circuit. I mean, some of those are situated close to where you'd be running an open-air GPU cooler, so temperatures would be toasty.
On H61, you furthermore lose SATA3 and USB3, which don't matter to most people. You can add expansion cards that give you support for those. So I'd take the Fry's deal. Hopefully any H61 these days has support for IVB out of the box, particularly if Fry's is selling it like that.
You can't even get RAM to operate at speeds over 1600 MHz on B75 / H77 btw (and not higher than 1333 MHz on H61), not like that'd make more than a couple percentage points difference at most anyway Okay then, the Fry's deal it is. According to Newegg, I won't be losing out on much (no crossfire, only 2 RAM slots, no USB 3.0) but I won't miss those at all. I do have a Sandy Bridge CPU if I have to update BIOS but hopefully Fry's already did it for me. Okay, so my final build: i3 3240 $170 MSI H61M-E33 $0 http://www.frys.com/product/7415535?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PGXFX Core HD7850 $160 *will OC this* http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150642Rosewill Capstone 450W 80+ Gold $60 http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-CAPSTONE-Series-Certified-CAPSTONE-450/dp/B006BCKDGW/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1358713884&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=capstone 450Kingston DDR3 1333 2x2GB $30 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104379CM Elite 430 $40 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119227-$20 from CPU/MOBO MIR, -$20 from GPU MIR, $-10 from Case $410, without tax and shipping. Way below my $500 budget, so that's a bunch more games I can play, maybe go on a date or something. I might invest in 8GB RAM, and/or turn the PSU into the Modular version, and/or get a pack of case fans just so my overall still falls below $450. Any objections or am I good to buy?
Even if DDR3 prices are going up, pretty sure a 2x2gb kit is not at the point of $30 yet.
You're going to be using practically every cable on the Capstone 450 so there's not really a point to buying the modular variant.
You know you don't have to spend money just because you have it...
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You can find some high quality BBSE/PSC ram (2400mhz easily at tight timings on 1.65 or lower volts) for under $30 at 2x2gb easily if you know where to look (every hardware site has a trading section, ebay sometimes). You can find 2x4gb of micron d9s and hynix under $30 too, but I'd take 2x2gb of BBSE/PSC ram anyday over outdated micron d9's. Ram overclocking doesn't mean much, but when you are talking a difference of 2400mhz CL6 1.7v vs 1866 CL9 1.7v, you'll get a noticeable increase in performance, especially in a games like SC2 and streaming, which is a great deal for only paying $10-20 more (which you won't have to if you know where to look).
Anyways, that Kingston HyperX ram is a terrible buy at $28. Don't buy RAM from newegg unless they have some sort of huge discount or special going on (which they have at time to time, they had Crucial Ballistix Tactical Tracer's 2x2gb at $17, although they are only micron d9's, they are the newer micron's that can tighten a bit better, and at only $17 that's a fair price).
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On January 21 2013 05:41 RiceAgainst wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 04:42 Myrmidon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +You give up possibly PCI / PCIe slots, possibly RAM slots (check these things), ports, etc. on lowest-end motherboards. On some you even lose Gigabit Ethernet, which would be a big deal if you're transferring stuff in a home network—just not for transfers to the outside world. Maybe slightly worse reliability, particularly on the lowest-end models that use electrolytic capacitors outside of the CPU power circuit. I mean, some of those are situated close to where you'd be running an open-air GPU cooler, so temperatures would be toasty.
On H61, you furthermore lose SATA3 and USB3, which don't matter to most people. You can add expansion cards that give you support for those. So I'd take the Fry's deal. Hopefully any H61 these days has support for IVB out of the box, particularly if Fry's is selling it like that.
You can't even get RAM to operate at speeds over 1600 MHz on B75 / H77 btw (and not higher than 1333 MHz on H61), not like that'd make more than a couple percentage points difference at most anyway Okay then, the Fry's deal it is. According to Newegg, I won't be losing out on much (no crossfire, only 2 RAM slots, no USB 3.0) but I won't miss those at all. I do have a Sandy Bridge CPU if I have to update BIOS but hopefully Fry's already did it for me. Okay, so my final build: i3 3240 $170 MSI H61M-E33 $0 http://www.frys.com/product/7415535?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PGXFX Core HD7850 $160 *will OC this* http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150642Rosewill Capstone 450W 80+ Gold $60 http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-CAPSTONE-Series-Certified-CAPSTONE-450/dp/B006BCKDGW/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1358713884&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=capstone 450Kingston DDR3 1333 2x2GB $30 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104379CM Elite 430 $40 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119227-$20 from CPU/MOBO MIR, -$20 from GPU MIR, $-10 from Case $410, without tax and shipping. Way below my $500 budget, so that's a bunch more games I can play, maybe go on a date or something. I might invest in 8GB RAM, and/or turn the PSU into the Modular version, and/or get a pack of case fans just so my overall still falls below $450. Any objections or am I good to buy?
2 x 4GB for $35:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820161452
Looks like a pretty low-end 7850, so don't expect much for overclocks.
On January 21 2013 05:54 Belial88 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 00:56 MisterFred wrote:
What hardware you need depends on the software you're using. A quick google search on wondershare doesn't show much except a bunch of marketing gobbly-gook claiming all brands work equally well with their software - but they do claim to support Intel's Quick Sync, which is the bestest & fastest transcoding technology (also, doesn't use the GPU).
So you'll want to go ivy bridge, GPU won't be an issue (if your Dad doesn't game you can just run integrated graphics, actually), and as for RAM, enough RAM to handle the size of the files he's working with should be fine I would think (8gb).
Storage makes a big difference for most casual computing tasks. But some computer illiterate people can't handle two lettered drives (meaning one SSD & one HDD), so keep that in mind. If he's happy with external storage, I'd suggest a single 120gb SSD, probably a Samsung 840 for $100. That'll keep his computer running snappy and he can use his external stuff for media files.
So depending on budget you could be looking at anywhere from an i3-3225 with a cheap H77 mobo (the i3-3225 has HD4000 integrated graphics, unlike HD2500 for other non-K Intel processors, so it's markedly better for your purposes than a regular i3 like an i3-3220)
to an i5-3570k or even i7-3770k with Z77 mobo.
... keep in mind I'm not an expert on this. Best guess only. Thanks, very helpful. I think a Phenom x4 would be enough power but a conservative 4.5ghz overclock on an i5/i7 would be a huge boost in power vs a 4ghz Phenom x4 (3-4times the price, possibly 2-4 times the performance). I need to look up more if threads, integer points, etc, are important for video editing, especially just basic home movie editing. I do believe a Phenom x4 build would be better than i3 for that price level (4ghz phenom beats i3 in most things, and i believe, not sure, that the 4 cores of the phenom would make it superior for video editing? Again, I'm not really sure what video editing does, if it's heavily multi-threaded or not, so I'll have to do some more research, but a 4ghz phenom beats an ivy i3 in just about anything, and costs less, multithreaded and single-threaded apps). I thought the 840 was worse than the 830? I'm not exactly sure, I could be wrong on that, but I thought I heard in passing about that. Either way, I'd consider the X25-M G2 160gb, Samsung 830 (and 840? I think MC also has a great deal on the 840 series if you buy it with a motherboard, like $20 off or something, so if i go intel...), HyperK, or M4, depending on the price, ebay bidding trends, discounts somewhere, etc. I'll probably find some BBSE/PSC ram at under $40 for 2x4gb on ebay or overclock.net marketplace. Looking to be under $500 if I went with an i5 build for this, under $550 for i7, $70 nzxt guardian case (dont ask), $90 120gb+ ssd, 2x4gb of RAM, and no GPU.
Don't forget Quick Sync, at least for the final encoding. It's very fast and doesn't even use the CPU cores, only available on SB / IVB, though I think it's not enabled on some of the really gimped versions like Celerons. Quality isn't the best out there—it's really intended for causal home videos and so on (so it's not really bestest). Double-check that.
840 is worse than 830, but not appreciably worse.
edit: btw that bit about RAM is irrelevant because H61 doesn't support operating RAM above 1333 MHz anyway.
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On January 21 2013 05:55 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 05:41 RiceAgainst wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 04:42 Myrmidon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +You give up possibly PCI / PCIe slots, possibly RAM slots (check these things), ports, etc. on lowest-end motherboards. On some you even lose Gigabit Ethernet, which would be a big deal if you're transferring stuff in a home network—just not for transfers to the outside world. Maybe slightly worse reliability, particularly on the lowest-end models that use electrolytic capacitors outside of the CPU power circuit. I mean, some of those are situated close to where you'd be running an open-air GPU cooler, so temperatures would be toasty.
On H61, you furthermore lose SATA3 and USB3, which don't matter to most people. You can add expansion cards that give you support for those. So I'd take the Fry's deal. Hopefully any H61 these days has support for IVB out of the box, particularly if Fry's is selling it like that.
You can't even get RAM to operate at speeds over 1600 MHz on B75 / H77 btw (and not higher than 1333 MHz on H61), not like that'd make more than a couple percentage points difference at most anyway Okay then, the Fry's deal it is. According to Newegg, I won't be losing out on much (no crossfire, only 2 RAM slots, no USB 3.0) but I won't miss those at all. I do have a Sandy Bridge CPU if I have to update BIOS but hopefully Fry's already did it for me. Okay, so my final build: i3 3240 $170 MSI H61M-E33 $0 http://www.frys.com/product/7415535?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PGXFX Core HD7850 $160 *will OC this* http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150642Rosewill Capstone 450W 80+ Gold $60 http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-CAPSTONE-Series-Certified-CAPSTONE-450/dp/B006BCKDGW/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1358713884&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=capstone 450Kingston DDR3 1333 2x2GB $30 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104379CM Elite 430 $40 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119227-$20 from CPU/MOBO MIR, -$20 from GPU MIR, $-10 from Case $410, without tax and shipping. Way below my $500 budget, so that's a bunch more games I can play, maybe go on a date or something. I might invest in 8GB RAM, and/or turn the PSU into the Modular version, and/or get a pack of case fans just so my overall still falls below $450. Any objections or am I good to buy? Even if DDR3 prices are going up, pretty sure a 2x2gb kit is not at the point of $30 yet. You're going to be using practically every cable on the Capstone 450 so there's not really a point to buying the modular variant. You know you don't have to spend money just because you have it...
Okay, so non-modular Capstone. I wanted to get a case fan or two since I'm OC'ing my GPU and there's only one pre-installed case fan in the case I'm buying. Also, my current PC gets really hot during the summer so I felt that investing in extra cooling would be worth it.
And yes, I know I don't have to spend money just because I have it. In fact, I've followed this principal for a long time that I never actually buy anything outside of life essentials, so this PC is not just my first time building a PC, it's also one of the first times I'm spending money on something I want.
EDIT: I might get the Mushkin Silverline 2x4GB 1333 for $45 instead, since I like how it looks and it has a lot of good ratings, and it seems like Mushkin is a good brand.
Also, I've seen some reviews and they've easily OC'd it to ~1000/1050. ~960 is good enough for me, hell maybe even 900 or stock. I'll try not to push it, though.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mushkin-Blackline-996629-8-8-8-24-4GB-2x2GB-DDR3-1600-PC3-12800-SDRAM-Memory-/181036915275?pt=US_Memory_RAM_&hash=item2a26a41a4b
$25 for Mushkin Blacklines, this is a really good deal. This ram is what, like $40 new? These should easily hit 2000mhz CL6 at 1.65v. These are lower binned PSCs, but PSCs nonetheless.
That was just a quick search. If you dig deeper you can find way better. If you spent more, you could find way better too, but I don't think it's worth spending much more than some high end PSC
If this is for a gaming build RiceAgainst, I would recommend high quality 2x2gb over some no-name brand 2x4gb. You can also find some good 2x4gb RAM for under $40, I see Gskill Ripjaws X go for about $35, and I've seen some Patriot G2s (Hynix i believe) go for $25 at 2x4gb. But they are both way worse and more expensive than some high end 2x2gb found at the right place, given that games are all 32bit there's no reason to go to 8gb in RAM unless for specialized tasks.
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That's great and all but it's all irrelevant on a H61 board.
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RiceAgainst, some comments on your build:
- PSU is too expensive. 300w is overkill for any heavily overclocked single GPU system as it is, any 350w+ quality psu will work more than enough and last a long time. Right now I believe the Corsair CX series can be found for super cheap on newegg (i think its still going on).
Basically, get the cheapest PSU on this list:
http://www.overclock.net/t/183810/faq-recommended-power-supplies
You should find a quality PSU under $30 on newegg right now...
7850 doesnt run that hot, and it has a non-reference design. You don't *need* additional fans for overclocking, and unless you plan to edit the GPU bios, you aren't going to really produce the heat in a single GPU system that would warrant additional cooling specifically for the GPU. There are hardwired limits to prevent you from overvolting your GPU too far.
I can't find anything in the XFX policy in regards to overclocking or overvolting, and it's not like they can tell unless you change the bios and somehow are unable to change it back while the card is still operable enough for them to use it so they can see what bios is on it.... but software overvolting and overclocking will keep you within limits so you won't produce too much heat generally (in my experience, going past the software limits yields significantly decreasing returns, not even an extra 10mhz in my experience goin up to .2v over the software limit with an edited bios).
Overclock first, and if you find you are running hot, then buy the fans. Not the other way around. You are doing it backwards.
If you are going with an i3 build just get the cheapest motherboard possible, frankly. The features you pay for for a more expensive mobo is VRM quality (overclocking) and SLI support (going past the $150 range, it's tri/quad SLI, extreme VRMs that are for sub-zero overclocks on extreme volts, little knickknacks for overclocking that aren't necessary but can be really convenient like dual bios, multimeter contact points, on-board power button, debug LED, etc).
For an SC2 build though, you'd really benefit a lot if you went for an i5 build and went for a way cheaper GPU. You'd get over double performance on an OC i5 for less than double the price. All you'd need is some $80-100 GPU anyways.
I hope you have an SSD in your build. It's sacrilege not to these days considering how cheap they are. You can get a 120gb+ for under $100, you can get a 64-80gb ssd for under $60. Just think about that and how much space you really need.
edit: with 2x2gb of ram instead of 2x4, a more reasonable psu, a lower end gpu (a gtx 460 1gb would handle ultra 1080 very well, a 7850 is overkill for sc2, while a 7850 is certainly strong and great at $150, i think an i5 would be a much bigger upgrade over an i3 than a 7850 vs 460 if funds are limited), i think you can fit in a 3570k+UD3H. It would help if you lived near microcenter, but if not best buy will price match the cpu and then you can get a motherboard elsewhere, probably a biostar budget range board.
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On January 21 2013 06:30 Belial88 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +RiceAgainst, some comments on your build: - PSU is too expensive. 300w is overkill for any heavily overclocked single GPU system as it is, any 350w+ quality psu will work more than enough and last a long time. Right now I believe the Corsair CX series can be found for super cheap on newegg (i think its still going on). Basically, get the cheapest PSU on this list: http://www.overclock.net/t/183810/faq-recommended-power-suppliesYou should find a quality PSU under $30 on newegg right now... 7850 doesnt run that hot, and it has a non-reference design. You don't *need* additional fans for overclocking, and unless you plan to edit the GPU bios, you aren't going to really produce the heat in a single GPU system that would warrant additional cooling specifically for the GPU. There are hardwired limits to prevent you from overvolting your GPU too far. I can't find anything in the XFX policy in regards to overclocking or overvolting, and it's not like they can tell unless you change the bios and somehow are unable to change it back while the card is still operable enough for them to use it so they can see what bios is on it.... but software overvolting and overclocking will keep you within limits so you won't produce too much heat generally (in my experience, going past the software limits yields significantly decreasing returns, not even an extra 10mhz in my experience goin up to .2v over the software limit with an edited bios). Overclock first, and if you find you are running hot, then buy the fans. Not the other way around. You are doing it backwards. If you are going with an i3 build just get the cheapest motherboard possible, frankly. The features you pay for for a more expensive mobo is VRM quality (overclocking) and SLI support (going past the $150 range, it's tri/quad SLI, extreme VRMs that are for sub-zero overclocks on extreme volts, little knickknacks for overclocking that aren't necessary but can be really convenient like dual bios, multimeter contact points, on-board power button, debug LED, etc). For an SC2 build though, you'd really benefit a lot if you went for an i5 build and went for a way cheaper GPU. You'd get over double performance on an OC i5 for less than double the price. All you'd need is some $80-100 GPU anyways. I hope you have an SSD in your build. It's sacrilege not to these days considering how cheap they are. You can get a 120gb+ for under $100, you can get a 64-80gb ssd for under $60. Just think about that and how much space you really need. edit: with 2x2gb of ram instead of 2x4, a more reasonable psu, a lower end gpu (a gtx 460 1gb would handle ultra 1080 very well, a 7850 is overkill for sc2, while a 7850 is certainly strong and great at $150, i think an i5 would be a much bigger upgrade over an i3 than a 7850 vs 460 if funds are limited), i think you can fit in a 3570k+UD3H. It would help if you lived near microcenter, but if not best buy will price match the cpu and then you can get a motherboard elsewhere, probably a biostar budget range board.
Funny, I had an SSD but sold it to expand my budget. Turns out, I didn't need to expand it in the first place. The Corsair PSUs are going for around ~$30 but I wanted a bit more longevity to my build, despite being a budget build, so I decided to go with the recommended Capstone. I know I can benefit from an i5 (it was actually my initial plan to get an unlocked i5 and a 7770) and I actually might have enough to get one, but it depends on if I really wanted to spend all -if not more than- $500 on my PC or not.
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Memory for the average person really comes down to just who you want to do business with or price. ICs don't matter despite what Belial tells you.
I'd pick the Earthwatts over the Corsair CX but it's still worse than the Capstone.
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