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On January 20 2013 02:21 RiceAgainst wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Question about building: should you buy all the parts at once, or can you wait ~a week between buying parts just to get the best deals? ~$500 SC2/Witcher 2/SWTOR @ any USA Online (Newegg/Amazon/etc.) Build is: CPU: i3 3220 $120 GPU: HD7850 $140* MOBO: AsRock B75M-DGS $55 PSU: CX500 80+ $50** RAM: ??? (I want 1600Mhz, DDR3, 8GB though I can go down to GB and MAYBE 4GB) $30-$40*** Case: $50 - $60 **** *1) So, this deal is only for 24 hours, with about 15 hours remaining. I originally wanted the Gigabyte w/ 2 huge fans and 3 yr. warranty @ $185. Sapphire has a 7850 900Mhz clock (compared to XFX 860 clock) @ $165 w/ 2 yr. warranty (rebate). The XFX is 2 yr. @ 860 but since I plan on OC'ing it anyways, I might as well just get the XFX. Any contradictions or is this deal good enough that I should buy ASAP? ** 2) I know I could get the CX430W for $25 (rebate), and since it's 80+ it's good enough, but I'd rather get a slightly bigger PSU to ensure a longer life & since I'm OC'ing. Unless you guys can prove me wrong that the 430W is good enough (which I hope you guys can), I'll be getting this 500W instead. *** 3) Currently running DDR3 2x2 GB 1333, which I might just reuse to save money to get an i5 instead. Sufficient, but I'd like to get newer RAM; if I really don't need 1600 and I really don't need 8GB (I run at most, Chrome w/ 10 tabs, Skype, Steam, and SC2/LoL/or SWTOR), then I might get another set of 2x2GB 1333. **** 4) I don't want terrible cable management but it doesn't have to have amazing management. I'd like a case w/ some fans already installed, maybe something with fans on the top (oh, and question about this: my PC is located directly under my desk so the top fans will blow air out to the underside of my desk: will this air go back in?). $500 w/o tax and shipping, and w/ rebates included is the ABSOLUTE MOST I will pay. This is because I originally wanted to only upgrade some parts but was convinced otherwise to get a 7850 instead of a 7770, etc. etc. EDIT: How much could I benefit from getting a 955/965 BE and overclock it over getting a dual core SB/IB? Or would it actually be worse? EDIT (2): Think this case is good? CM Elite 430 for $30 (rebate). It only has 1 front fan, so I'll have to invest in at least two or three more fans (one for rear, another one or two for top/side). Oh, and if I do get case fans what do you guys recommend I get (this will not be included in my $500 build, as my friend might have some extra case fans for me). http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119227&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=EDIT (3): i3 3240 + MSI H61 MOBO for $150 (after rebate), I think this deal is awesome too! 7_FRI%20date:011813" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">http://www.frys.com/product/7415535?site=sa:adpages page 7_FRI date:011813
Your first question regarding buying parts separately or not was asked by on the previous page by another individual and answered.
On January 19 2013 06:52 MisterFred wrote:
cons: Waiting to play on your kick-ass new machine (this is the main one). Buying something and finding a better special on the thing next week. Changing your mind regarding what you want but finding yourself locked into a choice. Spending extra man-hours shopping rather than whatever else you do in your life. Also, you may overestimate how much money can be saved by waiting.
On January 19 2013 07:35 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 06:48 ImANinjaBich wrote:
what are the cons? and do they outweigh the pros (savin money?) also what parts are worth getting first if i do do this? Buying parts individually doesn't necessarily save you money. You can easily spend your intended amount or overspend as well because you're thinking about the small picture rather than the big picture. If you're on a very strict budget, you may end up with a funky configuration as well because you couldn't resist purchasing that amazing deal on the case, 240gb SSD, or platinum PSU so you had to make sacrifices in other products. You may change your mind later and return the product to purchase another which is somewhat of a hassle. And depending on the time between your purchases. If you receive a DOA component, you're going to have to deal with the manufacturer instead of the retailer because it's past the 30 day return period, which is sometimes a huge pain in the ass. You need to be educated on what is a good product and what is a good deal. So many times have people asked "this looks amazing, is this a good deal?" when it looks absolutely shit. You need to spend time to decide what you actually want, don't decide at the time you're adding the item to the cart because chances are, you're going to regret it later.
The difference between 1333MHz and 1600MHz is like less then 1 FPS in gaming, something which you won't at all notice.
No the hot air isn't going to go back in. There is also really little point in adding a hundred gillion fans for such a low end non-overclocked configuration. The Corsair Carbide 200R is on sale on Newegg right now $40, two fans and proper maintenance will be sufficient in preventing the computer from overheating.
A Phenom II X4 will be better than the i3 in multi-threaded tasks (and the very few games that take advantage of quads) while worse in basically everything else. Overclocking it to ~4GHz will net you similar performance to a Sandybridge core i3 for gaming but this is typically also more expensive and definitely consumes a significant amount more power.
A Radeon HD7850 uses about 100w and a core i3 uses less than 50w under gaming loads so... going from a CX430 and CX500 is a gigantic waste of money for your reasons. Both the CX430 and CX500 is based off the same CWT design so quality of components are (or near) identical, and both provide a three year warranty. Hardly going to make a difference in lifespan by lowering your load by 5% when its ridiculously low. If you actually care about keeping the unit for a very long time, you need to invest in a higher quality unit. A Rosewill Capstone 450 is significantly better than the CX500 for $10 more, and the significantly better choice if you ask me.
Just fyi, Corsair CXv2 was discontinued a few months ago and replaced with newer CX models.
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On January 20 2013 04:53 skyR wrote:
Just fyi, Corsair CXv2 was discontinued a few months ago and replaced with newer CX models.
Ooh maybe I would RMA my CXv2 (because of coil whine) and get a new model.
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On January 20 2013 04:50 iTzSnypah wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 04:44 RiceAgainst wrote:On January 20 2013 04:41 iTzSnypah wrote:On January 20 2013 02:21 RiceAgainst wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Question about building: should you buy all the parts at once, or can you wait ~a week between buying parts just to get the best deals? ~$500 SC2/Witcher 2/SWTOR @ any USA Online (Newegg/Amazon/etc.) Build is: CPU: i3 3220 $120 GPU: HD7850 $140* MOBO: AsRock B75M-DGS $55 PSU: CX500 80+ $50** RAM: ??? (I want 1600Mhz, DDR3, 8GB though I can go down to GB and MAYBE 4GB) $30-$40*** Case: $50 - $60 **** *1) So, this deal is only for 24 hours, with about 15 hours remaining. I originally wanted the Gigabyte w/ 2 huge fans and 3 yr. warranty @ $185. Sapphire has a 7850 900Mhz clock (compared to XFX 860 clock) @ $165 w/ 2 yr. warranty (rebate). The XFX is 2 yr. @ 860 but since I plan on OC'ing it anyways, I might as well just get the XFX. Any contradictions or is this deal good enough that I should buy ASAP? ** 2) I know I could get the CX430W for $25 (rebate), and since it's 80+ it's good enough, but I'd rather get a slightly bigger PSU to ensure a longer life & since I'm OC'ing. Unless you guys can prove me wrong that the 430W is good enough (which I hope you guys can), I'll be getting this 500W instead. *** 3) Currently running DDR3 2x2 GB 1333, which I might just reuse to save money to get an i5 instead. Sufficient, but I'd like to get newer RAM; if I really don't need 1600 and I really don't need 8GB (I run at most, Chrome w/ 10 tabs, Skype, Steam, and SC2/LoL/or SWTOR), then I might get another set of 2x2GB 1333. **** 4) I don't want terrible cable management but it doesn't have to have amazing management. I'd like a case w/ some fans already installed, maybe something with fans on the top (oh, and question about this: my PC is located directly under my desk so the top fans will blow air out to the underside of my desk: will this air go back in?). $500 w/o tax and shipping, and w/ rebates included is the ABSOLUTE MOST I will pay. This is because I originally wanted to only upgrade some parts but was convinced otherwise to get a 7850 instead of a 7770, etc. etc. EDIT: How much could I benefit from getting a 955/965 BE and overclock it over getting a dual core SB/IB? Or would it actually be worse? EDIT (2): Think this case is good? CM Elite 430 for $30 (rebate). It only has 1 front fan, so I'll have to invest in at least two or three more fans (one for rear, another one or two for top/side). Oh, and if I do get case fans what do you guys recommend I get (this will not be included in my $500 build, as my friend might have some extra case fans for me). http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119227&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=EDIT (3): i3 3240 + MSI H61 MOBO for $150 (after rebate), I think this deal is awesome too! 7_FRI%20date:011813" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">http://www.frys.com/product/7415535?site=sa:adpages page7_FRI date:011813 H61 motherboards are last gen. SATA 2 USB 2 PCIe 2. The CX500v2 is only a 400w PSU, it's only rated 34A on its 12v rail. No reason to get it over the 430v2 (which is a 380w PSU) if the 430 is cheaper. Okay I'll get the CX430W then. As for the CPU+MOBO, I should just stick with the B75 and i3? Yeah. However you'll have to come to the realization that the CXv2 series has a major issue with coil whine. My CX500v2 has coil whine, most of the time I don't hear it, fans drown it out. However whenever I turn off the computer I have to hit the switch on the PSU because the whine is unbearable. If you're going to stash the tower where you don't have easy access to the back I would consider not buying a CXv2 series PSU.
Ouch, the back of my case is a bit difficult to access. Any suggestions for a $50 max 80+ PSU? If I have to, I'll learn to deal with the CX v2 if it's not threatening my PC life.
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Oh, thanks skyR. I think I'll stick to the 1st configuration...
+ Show Spoiler +CPU: i3 3220 $130
GPU: HD7850 $140
MOBO: AsRock B75M-DGS $55
PSU: CX430 80+ $50
RAM: DDR3 1333 4GB
Case: CM Elite 430 $40
but change the PSU. I think the XFX HD7850 is good enough so I'll pretty much be getting the parts this weekend. I've delayed for way too long, that I know that I should just get the parts now.
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On January 20 2013 05:14 RiceAgainst wrote:Oh, thanks skyR. I think I'll stick to the 1st configuration... + Show Spoiler +CPU: i3 3220 $130
GPU: HD7850 $140
MOBO: AsRock B75M-DGS $55
PSU: CX430 80+ $50
RAM: DDR3 1333 4GB
Case: CM Elite 430 $40 but change the PSU. I think the XFX HD7850 is good enough so I'll pretty much be getting the parts this weekend. I've delayed for way too long, that I know that I should just get the parts now.
Not a lot of great deals in that wattage range, but you can get an Antec High Current Gamer 400w for $45 @newegg right now. Or an Antec Basiq 450w for $31 if you just want cheap (though without the highest quality fan, I'm told):
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=62331&vpn=VP450&manufacture=Antec
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Ok guys, I need some advice.
My PC recently died (just shut off and now wont display video/respond, thread was Here)
I tried all the classic stuff and swapped out my roommates GPU, but it had no effect. I'm thinking the PSU is not the problem because everything seems to be powered fine. So I'm thinking its the CPU and/OR the MOBO.
I think I'll just replace them, the computer is a very old build which has served me excellently.
SO the computer is right now:
HIS Radeon 4870
Intel Q6600
Asus P5Q - E
4g Corsair dominator RAM
Antec 750w PSU
I run 1680x1050 and thats fine for me, I play random recent games but mostly just LoL and do some music production. This build has been fine for me for like well over 5 years, runs modern games smoothly.
So I'm thinking just replace the CPU and MOBO. My budget is low. I have money, but I'm more interested in hitting the best price/performance sweet spot. I don't need a lot of power, although I obv dont want to downgrade anything. When I built this computer fucking aeons ago I spent forever looking up stuff and waiting for things to go on sale, some of the components were quite lowend even then, but the computer has played nearly every release up till very recently at or nearly maxed. I haven't kept up with hardware at all though, so I'm looking for your guys advice on what would be a good CPU/MOBO to toss in there right now. Would/should I buy new RAM as well? I know its crazy cheap now but I know nothing about RAM. I'm all about functionality here.
Also do you guys agree that it probably is the CPU/MOBO that is broken? Its not GPU. Can the PSU be broken if it still looks like its powering everything fine?
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Here is the final build, is this good to go. Mostly im worried now will everything fit/ be compatible with each other?
CPU: INTEL CORE i5 3570K $226
MOTHER: Asrock Z77 Pro3 ($108)
RAM: 8GB KIT 1600 (4GB x 2) G.SKILL RIPJAWS-X/ARES/SNIPER $52/$52/$53
GPU: 7950 3GB GIGABYTE WF OC/ASUS DCU II $325/$338
CD DRIVE: SATA DVD SAMSUNG/LG/LITEON/MSI/ASUS/PIONEER $19/$19/$19/$20/$22/$23
EXTRA COOLER: COOLERMASTER HYPER 212 EVO $34
CASE: Fractal Design R4 $147
POWER: ANTEC HIGH CURRENT GAMER 520W $83
WIFI CARD: PCI TP-LINK N300 WN951N $29
HARD DRIVE: 2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA $94
AND
Samsung 840 120gb SSD
Thanks.
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On January 20 2013 08:37 sob3k wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ok guys, I need some advice. My PC recently died (just shut off and now wont display video/respond, thread was Here) I tried all the classic stuff and swapped out my roommates GPU, but it had no effect. I'm thinking the PSU is not the problem because everything seems to be powered fine. So I'm thinking its the CPU and/OR the MOBO. I think I'll just replace them, the computer is a very old build which has served me excellently. SO the computer is right now: HIS Radeon 4870 Intel Q6600 Asus P5Q - E 4g Corsair dominator RAM Antec 750w PSU I run 1680x1050 and thats fine for me, I play random recent games but mostly just LoL and do some music production. This build has been fine for me for like well over 5 years, runs modern games smoothly. So I'm thinking just replace the CPU and MOBO. My budget is low. I have money, but I'm more interested in hitting the best price/performance sweet spot. I don't need a lot of power, although I obv dont want to downgrade anything. When I built this computer fucking aeons ago I spent forever looking up stuff and waiting for things to go on sale, some of the components were quite lowend even then, but the computer has played nearly every release up till very recently at or nearly maxed. I haven't kept up with hardware at all though, so I'm looking for your guys advice on what would be a good CPU/MOBO to toss in there right now. Would/should I buy new RAM as well? I know its crazy cheap now but I know nothing about RAM. I'm all about functionality here. Also do you guys agree that it probably is the CPU/MOBO that is broken? Its not GPU. Can the PSU be broken if it still looks like its powering everything fine?
You don't list a budget so not sure what you consider low or high since your PC was relatively high-end back in the day.
You're probably looking at a core i5 3570k and a Z77 (if you want to overclock) or a core i5 3570 (non-K) and a B75 / H77 if you are not looking to overclocking. Lower than the cost of a Q6600 and P5Q back than. You will also require new DDR3 memory as DDR2 is no longer usable with any of the modern CPUs. The typical 1333 or 1600MHz 2x4gb kit for $40 is fine.
Not sure what Antec unit you have but if you have a modular unit such as the older Earthwatts, High Current Gamer-M or High Current Pro, the cable might be loose. Otherwise, yes it's probably the motherboard.
On January 20 2013 10:16 CHiPZ wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Here is the final build, is this good to go. Mostly im worried now will everything fit/ be compatible with each other?
CPU: INTEL CORE i5 3570K $226
MOTHER: Asrock Z77 Pro3 ($108)
RAM: 8GB KIT 1600 (4GB x 2) G.SKILL RIPJAWS-X/ARES/SNIPER $52/$52/$53
GPU: 7950 3GB GIGABYTE WF OC/ASUS DCU II $325/$338
CD DRIVE: SATA DVD SAMSUNG/LG/LITEON/MSI/ASUS/PIONEER $19/$19/$19/$20/$22/$23
EXTRA COOLER: COOLERMASTER HYPER 212 EVO $34
CASE: Fractal Design R4 $147
POWER: ANTEC HIGH CURRENT GAMER 520W $83
WIFI CARD: PCI TP-LINK N300 WN951N $29
HARD DRIVE: 2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA $94
AND
Samsung 840 120gb SSD
Thanks.
Yes everything is compatible. I'd probably get USB or PCI-E for wifi as PCI is being phased out unless you don't care because you're going to throw it in the trash when you need a new PC.
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PCI-E TP-LINK N300 WN881ND $19
That fine?
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I need to build a video editing computer (Wondershare). It's for my dad, who is using like a dualcore 2ghz notebook kinda thing right now, I mean he doesn't need a ton of power. But I don't know much about video editing.
Is there any certain hardware issues you need to keep in mind for video editing? Does it use the GPU a lot, or no? Does it care a lot about threads, ie AMD > Intel? What about ram, does video editing need a lot of ram?
and keep in mind this is just for home movies kind of stuff, not movies or pro work or music videos. Dont tell me video editing uses 32gb of ram when that's only when doing some crazy stuff. I'm not saying I'm going cheap here, but please be clear in what would be appreciated.
edit: does storage matter? I was thinking of getting some sub-$100 ssd ~120gb - x25m 160gb, samsung 830, crucial m4, kingston 3k, probably. My dad says he'd stick with external storage (he's used 150gb/280gb and that's because he's copying an entire hdd or something, not really sure, basically it's at double than what he would ever have it, and he wants to not put stuff on this computer, just all on his external dries).
I'm a bit confused on what video editing exactly needs, what his needs are. I can't find much on 'wondershare', and there's so many facets and things you can do with video editing, not to mention the software, that kinda change what hardware you'd use.
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What hardware you need depends on the software you're using. A quick google search on wondershare doesn't show much except a bunch of marketing gobbly-gook claiming all brands work equally well with their software - but they do claim to support Intel's Quick Sync, which is the bestest & fastest transcoding technology (also, doesn't use the GPU).
So you'll want to go ivy bridge, GPU won't be an issue (if your Dad doesn't game you can just run integrated graphics, actually), and as for RAM, enough RAM to handle the size of the files he's working with should be fine I would think (8gb).
Storage makes a big difference for most casual computing tasks. But some computer illiterate people can't handle two lettered drives (meaning one SSD & one HDD), so keep that in mind. If he's happy with external storage, I'd suggest a single 120gb SSD, probably a Samsung 840 for $100. That'll keep his computer running snappy and he can use his external stuff for media files.
So depending on budget you could be looking at anywhere from an i3-3225 with a cheap H77 mobo (the i3-3225 has HD4000 integrated graphics, unlike HD2500 for other non-K Intel processors, so it's markedly better for your purposes than a regular i3 like an i3-3220)
to an i5-3570k or even i7-3770k with Z77 mobo.
... keep in mind I'm not an expert on this. Best guess only.
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My fps actually don't go down. But compared to other friends' pcs they have smoother graphics for some reason. It might be the GPU?
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Hey guys.
I need a gaming pc build that can run at 60fps with high graphics.I'm gonna build it in 2/3 weeks.
My budget is €600/800.
My resolution is 1920x1080.I play with a 27'' monitor.
Only gonna use this machine for gaming.
2/3 years upgrade cycle.
Gonna build it in 2/3weeks.
No overclocking.
I need OS.
I will be using 1 GPU.
Only sites that will deliver to me are :
Scan.co.uk
Amazon.co.uk.
(I live in Ireland)
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On January 21 2013 01:03 KAB00000000M wrote:
My fps actually don't go down. But compared to other friends' pcs they have smoother graphics for some reason. It might be the GPU?
What GPU and system is this? If you're using SLI or Crossfire its pretty infamous for these issues as well.
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@Belial, as far as SSDs go; the Samsung 840 is cheaper than all of those options except maybe the x25? (but isn't that really old?) My friend bought the 120gb model for 90$ last week on Newegg; it's 110$ off sale, and there'll probably be another one within a week or two.
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OP needs to be changed imo. New piledrivers from AMD are really good, actually pretty fucking amazing for their price point.
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On January 21 2013 03:06 wei2coolman wrote:
OP needs to be changed imo. New piledrivers from AMD are really good, actually pretty fucking amazing for their price point.
Don"t believe everything you read on the internet
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On January 21 2013 03:09 Rachnar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 03:06 wei2coolman wrote:
OP needs to be changed imo. New piledrivers from AMD are really good, actually pretty fucking amazing for their price point. Don"t believe everything you read on the internet
The funny thing is everything on the internet still supports the purchase of intels latest processors.
the only person who suggests otherwise is logan from teksyndicate.
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