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On July 04 2012 08:46 ShaunO wrote:What is your budget? $300-600 + Show Spoiler +resolution - 1360x1024
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strictly gaming, 99% building this desktop for starcraft 2 multiplayer, thats why low budget. But would be nice to be able to play a couple other games out there too. I'm not even looking for running SC2 on ultra graphics, i prefer low graphics settings when laddering but my laptop right now is just getting old and not running the game well anymore.
upgrade cycle -
2+ years, obviously i want it to last as long as possible, but I could upgrade parts within 2 year probably too
when I plan on buying - ASAP
overclocking - no
OS - I have a OS already, windows 7 64bit
no second GPU
where do i plan on buying the parts? - newegg, tigerdirect
thanks for any help/advice you can provide. I am pretty new to this and I have a buddy who's helping out but I really want to get everyones opinion on here too!
CPU: Pentium g860 ($90)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116405
Normally for a budget pc, I'd recommend the g630, which is only slightly slower but a little over $20 cheaper. But for SC2 specifically, a little extra speed might help somewhat in maxxed-out team games. Oddly enough, there's not really a better CPU for SC2 unless you overclock. Reason: this is a pure-dual core, relatively fast, and SC2 can only use 2 cores.
Motherboard: MSI h67a-g43 ($80 - $20 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130616
CPU Cooler: Stock Intel cooler.
RAM: 2x4gb 1333mhz ($40)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231424
GPU: Integrated Graphics
HD 2000 will do fine for SC2 on lowest, though very few other games will run well. If you ever want to upgrade, you can stick pretty much any price level GPU in here when you feel like it. You'll likely need to add a GPU here if you want to play other games besides SC2. Probably a 6870, they're hitting a pretty large price/performance sweet spot right now if you count mail-in-rebates.
Case: Bit Fenix Outlaw ($45)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63255&vpn=BFC-OLW-100-KKN1-RP&manufacture=BitFenix&promoid=1223
Case is largely a matter of personal preference. This is a decent budget case that's not wacky looking. If you want shiny, wacky, with blue LEDs, look at the Zalman z9 or z11 cases.
PSU: Antec Neo Eco 450c ($35)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60491&vpn=NEO-ECO450C&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1223
HDD: WD Caviar Blue 500gb ($65 after promo code)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769
Only like $20 to double the size to a 1TB, and another $25 or so to go to 2TB, depending on your space needs. Also, SSD not included, but might be nice if you have more $$ later.
DVD-burner ($10)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60731&vpn=GH22NS70&manufacture=LG Electronics USA&promoid=1223
Total: $365 - $20 rebate.
Major upgrades to consider in the near future (or purchase with this build):
($160-$30 rebate) A real video card that'll max everything on your current monitor and play even the hardest to run games smoothly on at med-high graphics settings for a 1920x1080 monitor.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150561
($235-240) A quality IPS 23" monitor like the Dell Ultrasharp u2313hm. As a bonus: your old monitor becomes a nice non-gaming adjunct.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B005LN1JEC/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1341366548&sr=8-1&keywords=dell ultrasharp u2312hm&condition=new
($120) A 128gb SSD, which will give the programs you place upon it zoom-zoom fast load times. And that's all it will do.
http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-2-5-Inch-Solid-State-CT128M4SSD2/dp/B004W2JKZI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1341366450&sr=8-1&keywords=crucial m4
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What is your budget?
probably a max of $1500 US. i usually spend around that on my computers and they last for 6-7 years (my laptop i bought for $1500 6 years ago is finally biting the dust  ) i wouldn't be opposed to cheaper builds though.
What is your resolution?
1920x1080
What are you using it for?
it's mostly going to be used for gaming. i plan to do some streaming, some video capturing too. diablo 3, sc2, LoL are my main games currently.
What is your upgrade cycle?
as stated above, i usually have a very long upgrade cycle. this could change (as my laptop had onboard everything so i couldn't upgrade it) but i would def say i want this computer to last for quite some time.
When do you plan on building it?
anytime i find a build that will work out. i just got a new full time job so i should be good to go 
Do you plan on overclocking?
yeah i would like to do some overclocking for sure. it doesn't have to be crazy but it would be nice
Do you need an Operating System?
yeah i'm prob just gonna get windows 7
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
this is something i'm not sure about it. the increased performance would be nice, but for my needs i'm not entirely sure it would be worth it. what do you guys think?
Where are you buying your parts from?
more than likely newegg. if there are better deals (some said amazon) i wouldn't mind ordering from there either. i'm in the US so anything that ships there
also, i already have kingston hyperx 8GB DDR3 1600 RAM.
i was also sort of looking to use this case : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021 (Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case with Upgraded USB 3.0) ($100)
i started picking out other parts but then started to get into it and got worried i was messed up but i'll post what i already had going:
-ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard ($240)
-Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K ($230)
-ASUS GTX670-DC2-2GD5 GeForce GTX 670 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card ($420)
i really appreciate all and any help guys <3
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Hi guys!
It annoys me a bit to ask for that kind of stuff, but I need my "Dad seal of approval" before I order my parts. The problem is that he is very concerned about a long lasting set of components, so he's pressing me hard to buy an i7 processor (with my own money btw ><" ), unless I manage to convince him it's not worthy. So what I ask you is an advice about a "seems legit or official" site where I can show him why this would make no sense for the applications I aim to use (I'm starting my civil engineer studies next year so no big demands of powerful calculations in sight...)
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On July 04 2012 15:48 FakePseudo wrote:
Hi guys!
It annoys me a bit to ask for that kind of stuff, but I need my "Dad seal of approval" before I order my parts. The problem is that he is very concerned about a long lasting set of components, so he's pressing me hard to buy an i7 processor (with my own money btw ><" ), unless I manage to convince him it's not worthy. So what I ask you is an advice about a "seems legit or official" site where I can show him why this would make no sense for the applications I aim to use (I'm starting my civil engineer studies next year so no big demands of powerful calculations in sight...)
The ONLY difference between i5 and i7 is Hyper Threading and 2MB more L3 Cache. Hyper Threading makes 'fake' cores so you can get more done each cycle. More L3 doesn't automatically mean better performance because larger = higher latency.
All you need to know to change his mind (figures from 2500k &2600k):
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=288
Cinebench R10 Single threaded performance (higher is better): i5: 5860 i7:5991
Cinebench R10 Multi treaded performance (higher is better): i5:20381 i7:22875
There are a lot more probably more useful benchmarks that you could use to persuade your dad that the extra $100 for i7 is not worth the premium.
EDIT: Oh and if you HAVE to get an i7 get a 3770K, as it beats all the SB-E by more than a fair margin (more or less tied with 3960X though).
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Thank you for the advice! Actually I do not need you to explain me why it is better to get an i5, since you can read it all day long in this thread. The matter is that i know that my father won't trust a site like tl.net or any forum in general. Anyway, the sites you gave are really interesting. But do you know any review with more of a text rather than only benchmarks (even if it may sound a little bit stupid). That would definitely seal the deal!
Thank you
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On July 04 2012 16:10 FakePseudo wrote:
Thank you for the advice! Actually I do not need you to explain me why it is better to get an i5, since you can read it all day long in this thread. The matter is that i know that my father won't trust a site like tl.net or any forum in general. Anyway, the sites you gave are really interesting. But do you know any review with more of a text rather than only benchmarks (even if it may sound a little bit stupid). That would definitely seal the deal!
Thank you
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested
Once again its for Sandy Bridge models as this website doesn't have the an i5-3570K review.
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http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2012/05/01/intel-core-i5-3570k-cpu-review/1
(The below is for your Dad, if he's willing to read it before going on to the review.)
Buying an i7 over an i5 because 7 is bigger than 5 is a sucker's move. The i7 provides more threads only. The simple way of looking at it is that hyperthreading - the advantage of the i7 - simulates extra CPU cores. So an i5 = four genuine cores, and i7 = four genuine cores and four hyperthreaded cores. But most programs cannot use more than 4 threads (the amount provided by the i5). SC2, like most games, can only use 2 threads. Office programs or internet browsers only use one thread, to my knowledge. The very rare types of programs that can actually benefit from an i7:
- video editing (this means rendering of 3d movies, producing a stream, and the like, not editing home movies)
- certain scientific research and modeling programs used by archaeologists and other types of researchers
- AutoCAD work (similar to the above, but more commonly used by engineers or architects)
- Virtual Machines (running multiple operating systems off of one computer)
That's all I can think of. Unless one of those purposes is the primary reason for buying the computer, the prudent decision is to go for the i5 and not waste money. Even for the purposes above, the simulated threads of the i7 do not provide double performance: a moderate boost only. As you read the review linked above note that the benchmarks that show the i7 to be superior are generally 'cinebench' or some such thing - simulating the video editing I mentioned.
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On July 04 2012 13:50 LeeTDooD wrote:What is your budget? probably a max of $1500 US. i usually spend around that on my computers and they last for 6-7 years (my laptop i bought for $1500 6 years ago is finally biting the dust ) i wouldn't be opposed to cheaper builds though. + Show Spoiler +What is your resolution? 1920x1080 What are you using it for? it's mostly going to be used for gaming. i plan to do some streaming, some video capturing too. diablo 3, sc2, LoL are my main games currently. What is your upgrade cycle? as stated above, i usually have a very long upgrade cycle. this could change (as my laptop had onboard everything so i couldn't upgrade it) but i would def say i want this computer to last for quite some time. When do you plan on building it? anytime i find a build that will work out. i just got a new full time job so i should be good to go Do you plan on overclocking? yeah i would like to do some overclocking for sure. it doesn't have to be crazy but it would be nice Do you need an Operating System? yeah i'm prob just gonna get windows 7 Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? this is something i'm not sure about it. the increased performance would be nice, but for my needs i'm not entirely sure it would be worth it. what do you guys think? Where are you buying your parts from? more than likely newegg. if there are better deals (some said amazon) i wouldn't mind ordering from there either. i'm in the US so anything that ships there also, i already have kingston hyperx 8GB DDR3 1600 RAM. i was also sort of looking to use this case : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021 (Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case with Upgraded USB 3.0) ($100) i started picking out other parts but then started to get into it and got worried i was messed up but i'll post what i already had going: -ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard ($240) -Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K ($230) -ASUS GTX670-DC2-2GD5 GeForce GTX 670 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card ($420) i really appreciate all and any help guys <3
Your budget is pretty high for a single 1920x1080 monitor. The video card I'll recommend is actually pretty overkill for that resolution, so you shouldn't think about SLI/Crossfire unless you're planning on overhauling your monitor setup.
CPU: i7-3770k ($339)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=70540&vpn=BX80637I73770K&manufacture=Others
The i7 part will really only help high quality streaming. If you're changing your mind and are just gaming, the i5-3570k will be just as good and cheaper. CPUs can generally be found cheaper at a microcenter, often also motherboards on a combo special. Not other parts though, microcenter usually jacks up their prices on those to make up for the CPU+mobo sales.
Mobo: Asus z77 -LK ($150 - $20 rebate)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=71114&vpn=P8Z77-V LK&manufacture=ASUS&promoid=1223
The sabertooth above is pointlessly expensive.
CPU Cooler: HR-02 Macho ($53)
http://www.amazon.com/ThermalRight-HR-02-MACHO-Thermalright-Macho/dp/B005ERSN7G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1341423813&sr=8-1&keywords=HR-02 MAcho
Buy this when you plan to overclock.
GPU: Asus 670 ($400)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121637
Note: This is HUGELY overkill for SC2, LoL, and Diablo 3. It presumes you want to play harder games like Shogun 2:Total War, BF3, or Metro 2033 at extremely high settings. If this is not the case or you consider "med-high" settings in those games perfectly fine, you should probably get a much cheaper GPU like the following ($160-$30 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150561
The 6870 is still overkill for SC2, LoL, and Diablo 3, and hard-to-run games will play smoothly on reasonable settings at 1920x1080. Note GPU has zero effect on streaming performance, that is pure CPU.
Case: Corsair 550d ($120)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=66726&vpn=CC-9011015-WW&manufacture=Corsair&promoid=1223
More expensive, but a well-regarded 'quiet' case.
PSU: Silverstone Strider 500w ($60-$10 rebate)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=49495&vpn=ST50F-ES&manufacture=Silverstone Technology
SSD: Crucial m4 ($204)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60446&vpn=CT256M4SSD2&manufacture=CRUCIAL TECHNOLOGY&promoid=1223
Put applications and programs on here that you want to have zoom-zoom fast loading times. Save money by reducing size to a much more reasonable 128gb.
HDD: WD Caviar Green 2TB ($110)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=62047&vpn=WD20EARX&manufacture=Western Digital WD&promoid=1223
Overflow storage/media files.
DVD-burner ($10)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60731&vpn=GH22NS70&manufacture=LG Electronics USA&promoid=1223
Windows 7 OEM ($85)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=45271&vpn=GFC-02050&manufacture=Microsoft&promoid=1223
Cost: With massive SSD and overkill GPU: $1530 (-$30 in rebates)
With reasonable 128gb SSD (Crucial m4, amazon.com) and moderate GPU (that can still max your specified games): $1207 (-$60 in rebates)
Dropping the CPU an i5-3570k will bring both down another $125 or so.
Does not include: mouse, speakers, headphones, keyboard, monitor.
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I know this is the computer BUILD resource thread but i have come across a problem, this hp foxconn motherboard i am using and upgrading with a haf 912 case, i completely took out everything and replaced my heatsink with the hyper 212 + perfectly! But i need a new motherboard because this shitty hp one only uses hp cases i assume, its got these little gold pin connectors and some like generic usb one that powers up the mobo.
Overall what im getting at here is im upgrading my phenom II 1045 thuban edition processor to a whole new motherboard because the one currently does not have the corresponding power button connector cables, and i want to know how to remove the old motherboard bios off of my pc so when i slap this new puppy in i just slide the disc in and it runs like a charm! :D
Lol i tried to manage with some indian on hp customer support and told him what im doing and he tried to get me to buy hp recovery off the site along with windows 7, and i replied im deleting everything hp off this pc for a damn reason...
So tell me teamliquid.net how do i go about removing the bios from my hard drive, without messing something up (i already know if i do this my windows 7 OS will run slower) according to some random site, but this is the new motherboard i want to get, please no asus!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157305
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On July 05 2012 03:17 FlyingToilet wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I know this is the computer BUILD resource thread but i have come across a problem, this hp foxconn motherboard i am using and upgrading with a haf 912 case, i completely took out everything and replaced my heatsink with the hyper 212 + perfectly! But i need a new motherboard because this shitty hp one only uses hp cases i assume, its got these little gold pin connectors and some like generic usb one that powers up the case. Overall what im getting at here is im upgrading my phenom II 1045 thuban edition processor to a whole new motherboard because the one currently does not have the corresponding power button connector cables, and i want to know how to remove the old motherboard bios off of my pc so when i slap this new puppy in i just slide the disc in and it runs like a charm! :D Lol i tried to manage with some indian on hp customer support and told him what im doing and he tried to get me to buy hp recovery off the site along with windows 7, and i replied im deleting everything hp off this pc for a damn reason... So tell me teamliquid.net how do i go about removing the bios from my hard drive, without messing something up (i already know if i do this my windows 7 OS will run slower) according to some random site, but this is the new motherboard i want to get, please no asus! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157305
The reason you're having trouble getting help from the people at tech support isn't the usual one of them not understanding you.
It's actually the fact that you don't understand computers well enough for anyone except yourself to understand you.
For starters, your BIOS isn't on your hard drive, ever. What you're thinking of is chipset drivers, and it's easier to just backup your files. I don't know of a sure-fire way to remove chipset drivers.
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On July 05 2012 03:28 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 03:17 FlyingToilet wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I know this is the computer BUILD resource thread but i have come across a problem, this hp foxconn motherboard i am using and upgrading with a haf 912 case, i completely took out everything and replaced my heatsink with the hyper 212 + perfectly! But i need a new motherboard because this shitty hp one only uses hp cases i assume, its got these little gold pin connectors and some like generic usb one that powers up the case. Overall what im getting at here is im upgrading my phenom II 1045 thuban edition processor to a whole new motherboard because the one currently does not have the corresponding power button connector cables, and i want to know how to remove the old motherboard bios off of my pc so when i slap this new puppy in i just slide the disc in and it runs like a charm! :D Lol i tried to manage with some indian on hp customer support and told him what im doing and he tried to get me to buy hp recovery off the site along with windows 7, and i replied im deleting everything hp off this pc for a damn reason... So tell me teamliquid.net how do i go about removing the bios from my hard drive, without messing something up (i already know if i do this my windows 7 OS will run slower) according to some random site, but this is the new motherboard i want to get, please no asus! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157305 The reason you're having trouble getting help from the people at tech support isn't the usual one of them not understanding you. It's actually the fact that you don't understand computers well enough for anyone except yourself to understand you. For starters, your BIOS isn't on your hard drive, ever. What you're thinking of is chipset drivers, and it's easier to just backup your files. I don't know of a sure-fire way to remove chipset drivers.
Hey i came quite a way from that thread xD, but ok so i don't need to wipe my hard drive? and also the reason why i mentioned that mobo was because it was cheap and had 4 memory slots, i have 8 gigs of ddr3 i think 1600 mhz 1.5 volts and i need a motherboard that corresponds with that, but phew that brings a sigh of relief that i dont have to wipe hy hard drive, was worrying about having to replace my OS, and also i can put up with some harsh honest truth as long as i dont fuck up like i almost did before, and thanks man! u always seem to come out of nowhere lol
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On July 05 2012 03:50 FlyingToilet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 03:28 JingleHell wrote:On July 05 2012 03:17 FlyingToilet wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I know this is the computer BUILD resource thread but i have come across a problem, this hp foxconn motherboard i am using and upgrading with a haf 912 case, i completely took out everything and replaced my heatsink with the hyper 212 + perfectly! But i need a new motherboard because this shitty hp one only uses hp cases i assume, its got these little gold pin connectors and some like generic usb one that powers up the case. Overall what im getting at here is im upgrading my phenom II 1045 thuban edition processor to a whole new motherboard because the one currently does not have the corresponding power button connector cables, and i want to know how to remove the old motherboard bios off of my pc so when i slap this new puppy in i just slide the disc in and it runs like a charm! :D Lol i tried to manage with some indian on hp customer support and told him what im doing and he tried to get me to buy hp recovery off the site along with windows 7, and i replied im deleting everything hp off this pc for a damn reason... So tell me teamliquid.net how do i go about removing the bios from my hard drive, without messing something up (i already know if i do this my windows 7 OS will run slower) according to some random site, but this is the new motherboard i want to get, please no asus! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157305 The reason you're having trouble getting help from the people at tech support isn't the usual one of them not understanding you. It's actually the fact that you don't understand computers well enough for anyone except yourself to understand you. For starters, your BIOS isn't on your hard drive, ever. What you're thinking of is chipset drivers, and it's easier to just backup your files. I don't know of a sure-fire way to remove chipset drivers. Hey i came quite a way from that thread xD, but ok so i don't need to wipe my hard drive? and also the reason why i mentioned that mobo was because it was cheap and had 4 memory slots, i have 8 gigs of ddr3 i think 1600 mhz 1.5 volts and i need a motherboard that corresponds with that, but phew that brings a sigh of relief that i dont have to wipe hy hard drive, was worrying about having to replace my OS, and also i can put up with some harsh honest truth as long as i dont fuck up like i almost did before, and thanks man! u always seem to come out of nowhere lol
You shouldn't HAVE to wipe it completely. A windows reinstall without a format usually works, although not always. Like I said, clearing your chipset drivers off is a bitch, and they CAN cause trouble with a new mobo, but what you're asking about has nothing whatsoever to do with your BIOS.
I usually just back up pertinent shit and then do a full format before reinstalling, though, just for the sake of convenience. But that's not plausible for everyone.
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Hey guys.
I've pretty much decided on
ASRock P67 PRO3 (could save about 20$ going for ASRock P67 Pro, can anyone tell me what's the difference?)
8 gigs of ram (corsair vengeance 1600Mhz)
Seasonic 520W PSU
I'm split on the choice of GFX and the CPU
i5 2500K vs i5 3570K (20$ difference in favor of the 2500K, is the 3570K worth it?)
HD6870 vs 560Ti (around 90$ difference in favor of the 6870, is the 560Ti worth it?)
thanks for your help!
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On July 05 2012 04:36 leser wrote:
Hey guys.
I've pretty much decided on
ASRock P67 PRO3 (could save about 20$ going for ASRock P67 Pro, can anyone tell me what's the difference?)
8 gigs of ram (corsair vengeance 1600Mhz)
Seasonic 520W PSU
I'm split on the choice of GFX and the CPU
i5 2500K vs i5 3570K (20$ difference in favor of the 2500K, is the 3570K worth it?)
HD6870 vs 560Ti (around 90$ difference in favor of the 6870, is the 560Ti worth it?)
thanks for your help!
i5-3570K is worth it unless your hunting for 5Ghz. HD6870 is much better. Also if you get the 3570K get an ASRock Z77 Extreme4.
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6870 and 560Ti are two different classes of video cards. the 560ti being the better one. whether it is worth it or not depends on your individual needs.
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Hey guys, I was planning on building a casual gaming PC with a budget of $800, in US dollars. I already have some parts in mind but I'm not quite sure if they are optimized.
Budget: $800, including tax, shipping and handling (I live in California, and apparently Newegg has tax over here)
Resolution: 1920x1080, already have the monitor
Usage: Gaming with decent graphics and smooth frame rates with mainstream games like Starcraft II, LoL, Skyrim, etc. However, most of my time on this PC will be used for simple tasks like web browsing and word processing.
Upgrade Cycle: Around four years
When: Ordering the parts by the end of this week
Overclocking: No need
Operating System: Already have it
SLI/Crossfire: No
Buying from: Newegg, NCIX, Amazon
Here's what I have: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/b8wR
I'll probably get a $15 keyboard with this, but I still have room for changing around some parts.
Thanks very much for any help you can provide.
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Hey i got a good suggestion, im rocking a haf 912 and a hyper 212+ and am getting a stable 14 degrees Celsius on my amd phenom 2, but i do have 5 fans in it lol, overall they're pretty hyped and suggested by a lot it seems, great case and after market heatsink for OC too!
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14°?
you're living at the north pole?
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Man, I wish I had that kind of ambient temps... shoot for new aircooled world records. You live in a walk-in fridge or something?
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