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Hey, since my old computer's beginning to die on me, I wanted to assemble a new computer on my own. I'm new to assembling computers.
I have a 400$ budget, and I do not plan on overclocking.
I don't have a very specific task I need to do on this computer, I'd just like that the computer will run quickly for several years to come and that it would run games relatively well.
I don't need too much space in my hard drive, and I have a 1280 x 1024 resolution.
I want to finish this computer in about a month, and I can buy parts online, microcenter, or fry's (I haven't been to either of these stores though).
I don't have an OS but...
+ Show Spoiler +Is it possible to get a "non-geniune" copy of windows 7/XP sp3? Is it worth the work- what are the pros and cons? Is it as simple as burning the ISO file onto the disk?
Sorry if I missed a few things- and thanks for helping!
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What the fuck is going on with toasters?
Diablotek PSU is a ticking time bomb waiting to blow up your computer and take everything with it. Replace immediately with anything with a good brand name and is cheap.
Motherboard is overpriced for such a configuration, would have been better off spending the money elsewhere.
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Which came first, TheToast or the fuckton of toasters?
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On July 05 2012 07:35 Toasterbaked wrote:Hey, since my old computer's beginning to die on me, I wanted to assemble a new computer on my own. I'm new to assembling computers. I have a 400$ budget, and I do not plan on overclocking. I don't have a very specific task I need to do on this computer, I'd just like that the computer will run quickly for several years to come and that it would run games relatively well. I don't need too much space in my hard drive, and I have a 1280 x 1024 resolution. I want to finish this computer in about a month, and I can buy parts online, microcenter, or fry's (I haven't been to either of these stores though). I don't have an OS but... + Show Spoiler +Is it possible to get a "non-geniune" copy of windows 7/XP sp3? Is it worth the work- what are the pros and cons? Is it as simple as burning the ISO file onto the disk? Sorry if I missed a few things- and thanks for helping!
No it's not possible.
+ Show Spoiler +Yes its totally possible and it works fine including updates.
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@Toasterbaked. We look down on stealing on this forum. Don't ask about it. If you're desperate for free windows, just join the Windows 8 trial program and download windows 8 for free.
As for the rest...
CPU & mobo: AMD Phenom II 965be + Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P ($100 combo deal @ microcenter)
Normally for a budget pc, I'd recommend the g630 with a cheap motherboard, but the phenom here is actually $20 cheaper because of the free motherboard. If, while at microcenter, you can get a deal on an i3 + any compatible motherboard that is equal price or only like $10 more, go for that. I can't believe I'm recommending a Phenom. If SC2 is your main game, you should buy the i3-2100 at microcenter anyway, and then go with an msi h67a-g43 @ newegg if there isn't a mobo combo deal at microcenter.
CPU Cooler: Stock AMD cooler. The motherboard above is not what one calls fantastic, so you won't be able to overclock much if at all without getting an aftermarket cooler.
RAM: Kingston HyperX 2x2gb 1600mhz ($29)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231424
If you go with Intel, use different RAM.
GPU: EVGA 560se (with Adobe Elements thrown in) ($137 - $10 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130770
Case: Bit Fenix Outlaw ($45)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63255&vpn=BFC-OLW-100-KKN1-RP&manufacture=BitFenix&promoid=1223
Case is largely a matter of personal preference. This is a decent budget case that's not wacky looking. If you want shiny, wacky, with blue LEDs, look at the Zalman z9 or z11 cases.
PSU: Antec Neo Eco 450c ($35)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60491&vpn=NEO-ECO450C&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1223
HDD: WD Caviar Blue 500gb ($65 after promo code)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769
Only like $20 to double the size to a 1TB, and another $25 or so to go to 2TB, depending on your space needs. Also, SSD not included, but might be nice if you have more $$ later.
DVD-burner ($10)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60731&vpn=GH22NS70&manufacture=LG Electronics USA&promoid=1223
Total: $421 - $10 rebate.
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I was supposed to order my computer last week, but never got around to it before I ended up moving.
Anyway I finally got my internet setup at my new place and I noticed most of the deals I were going to build with are gone. I'll post my build below and if anyone can give me some feedback I would appreciate it. Looking to confirm order in the next 2hrs. If anyone has a suggestion for a 1920x1080p monitor around $150-200 that I can pick up on NCIX or pricematch, let me know. I get free shipping with the CPU/Mobo bundle 
Case: Zalman Z9 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case Black 3X5.25 1X3.5 5X3.5INT No PS W/ Fan Controller & Temp Display
$49.99 with $10 MIR
Ram: Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B Vengeance Blue 8GB 2X4GB DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24 Dual Channel Memory Kit
$44.99
CPU/MOBO Bundle: NCIX Gaming Bundle Deal
Intel Core i5 3570K Unlocked CPU
MSI Z77A-G43 DDR3 CrossFire Motherboard
$329.99 with $20 MIR
SSD: Crucial M4 SSD Micron C400 128GB 2.5IN Solid State Disk Flash Drive SATA3 6Gbps
$124.99
GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 860MHZ 2GB 4.8GBPS GDDR5 DVI HDMI 2XMINIDP PCI-E Video Card
$259.99 price matched to $237.15 (Hookbag.ca)
Optical: ASUS DRW-24B1ST 24X SATA DVD Writer OEM Black
$18.30
PSU: Corsair TX650W from old PC
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extra PSU for old computer: Corsair CMPSU-400CX 400CX 400W ATX 12V 30A Power Supply Active PFC 120mm Fan - $29.99
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On July 05 2012 08:50 MisterFred wrote:+ Show Spoiler +@Toasterbaked. We look down on stealing on this forum. Don't ask about it. If you're desperate for free windows, just join the Windows 8 trial program and download windows 8 for free. As for the rest... CPU & mobo: AMD Phenom II 965be + Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P ($100 combo deal @ microcenter) Normally for a budget pc, I'd recommend the g630 with a cheap motherboard, but the phenom here is actually $20 cheaper because of the free motherboard. If, while at microcenter, you can get a deal on an i3 + any compatible motherboard that is equal price or only like $10 more, go for that. I can't believe I'm recommending a Phenom. If SC2 is your main game, you should buy the i3-2100 at microcenter anyway, and then go with an msi h67a-g43 @ newegg if there isn't a mobo combo deal at microcenter. CPU Cooler: Stock AMD cooler. The motherboard above is not what one calls fantastic, so you won't be able to overclock much if at all without getting an aftermarket cooler. RAM: Kingston HyperX 2x2gb 1600mhz ($29) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231424If you go with Intel, use different RAM. GPU: EVGA 560se (with Adobe Elements thrown in) ($137 - $10 rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130770 Case: Bit Fenix Outlaw ($45) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63255&vpn=BFC-OLW-100-KKN1-RP&manufacture=BitFenix&promoid=1223 Case is largely a matter of personal preference. This is a decent budget case that's not wacky looking. If you want shiny, wacky, with blue LEDs, look at the Zalman z9 or z11 cases. PSU: Antec Neo Eco 450c ($35) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60491&vpn=NEO-ECO450C&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1223 HDD: WD Caviar Blue 500gb ($65 after promo code) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769Only like $20 to double the size to a 1TB, and another $25 or so to go to 2TB, depending on your space needs. Also, SSD not included, but might be nice if you have more $$ later. DVD-burner ($10) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60731&vpn=GH22NS70&manufacture=LG Electronics USA&promoid=1223Total: $421 - $10 rebate.
560SE SUCKS BRO. regular 560 has 336 cores, SE has 288, nuff said.
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That looks good to me, except
1. the RAM has those stupid heatspreaders
2. no CPU cooler other than the small boxed one with the i5-3570k (not really suitable for overclocking)
3. no hard drive? maybe you have one
As for monitors, if you're getting something from NCIX, the Asus PA238QR should be a very good deal at $220:
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=69432&promoid=1223
If you can't afford that, are willing to drop to 21.5" and give up all kinds of stand adjustments, VS229H-P is $164:
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=69496
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On July 05 2012 12:48 iTzSnypah wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 08:50 MisterFred wrote:+ Show Spoiler +@Toasterbaked. We look down on stealing on this forum. Don't ask about it. If you're desperate for free windows, just join the Windows 8 trial program and download windows 8 for free. As for the rest... CPU & mobo: AMD Phenom II 965be + Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P ($100 combo deal @ microcenter) Normally for a budget pc, I'd recommend the g630 with a cheap motherboard, but the phenom here is actually $20 cheaper because of the free motherboard. If, while at microcenter, you can get a deal on an i3 + any compatible motherboard that is equal price or only like $10 more, go for that. I can't believe I'm recommending a Phenom. If SC2 is your main game, you should buy the i3-2100 at microcenter anyway, and then go with an msi h67a-g43 @ newegg if there isn't a mobo combo deal at microcenter. CPU Cooler: Stock AMD cooler. The motherboard above is not what one calls fantastic, so you won't be able to overclock much if at all without getting an aftermarket cooler. RAM: Kingston HyperX 2x2gb 1600mhz ($29) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231424If you go with Intel, use different RAM. GPU: EVGA 560se (with Adobe Elements thrown in) ($137 - $10 rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130770 Case: Bit Fenix Outlaw ($45) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63255&vpn=BFC-OLW-100-KKN1-RP&manufacture=BitFenix&promoid=1223 Case is largely a matter of personal preference. This is a decent budget case that's not wacky looking. If you want shiny, wacky, with blue LEDs, look at the Zalman z9 or z11 cases. PSU: Antec Neo Eco 450c ($35) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60491&vpn=NEO-ECO450C&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1223 HDD: WD Caviar Blue 500gb ($65 after promo code) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769Only like $20 to double the size to a 1TB, and another $25 or so to go to 2TB, depending on your space needs. Also, SSD not included, but might be nice if you have more $$ later. DVD-burner ($10) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60731&vpn=GH22NS70&manufacture=LG Electronics USA&promoid=1223Total: $421 - $10 rebate. 560SE SUCKS BRO. regular 560 has 336 cores, SE has 288, nuff said.
I am aware. However, currently the 560 shitty edition is cheaper than the 6850, with which it competes. Also, cheaper than the 560, and thus in budget...
It fills the price point the 550ti failed at for nvidia well enough. That said, for toaster, this could be a superior alternative if you can stand the upfront price:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150561
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On July 05 2012 07:10 JingleHell wrote:
Man, I wish I had that kind of ambient temps... shoot for new aircooled world records. You live in a walk-in fridge or something?
-_- no but where im living my room is loaded with AC and i like it cooooold, and its got like a shit tons of fans in it, well apparently my cpu main chip is like 20 degrees celc when its off for a while, but when i turn my pc back on and the fans start kickin its like 26 degrees... jeez guys i was just looking at the individual core temps off of hw monitor no need to try and blow me over on some sarcasm!
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cCpUB.png)
Theres your proof, sorry if i misread it lol i guess it does matter if the individual cores are 10 degrees cooler than whole chip. Or i guess it could just be my motherboard sensor is wrong? i don't really know too much about that though, so jingle fire away!
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On July 05 2012 08:33 Medrea wrote:What the fuck is going on with toasters? + Show Spoiler +Diablotek PSU is a ticking time bomb waiting to blow up your computer and take everything with it. Replace immediately with anything with a good brand name and is cheap. Motherboard is overpriced for such a configuration, would have been better off spending the money elsewhere.
Haha. I've got no idea why there's more and more usernames appearing that have to do with toast. I've been using this as an online alias throughout a few generations of online games, as well as this forum. So I'm definitely not one to blame.
Anyways, the MoBo was actually supposed to be on sale where I bought it from, but the bastards didn't actually give me the discount. I might go back to the store and complain about it. Thanks for warning me about the Diablotek PSU's too. I'll probably buy a better one now when I go to order some more parts online (for free shipping, etc.)
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8C.
Ok he must have his AC blowing on his intake.
Or there is a phase change CPU cooler he isnt telling us about because his Mainboard is reading mid to upper 70's. Which looks normal.
Or his CPU sensor on his motherboard is going. Or HWMonitor is reading the meta data wrong.
Pick one of the three. Ambient temp aint got nothing to do with it.
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How hard is it to achieve 4.5 on air?
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I'm assuming i5 2500k, if that's the case, it's very easy, a standard hyper 212 plus will pretty easily bring you to 4.5 with small if not no voltage changes.
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O yes of course, lets say a 2500k.
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On July 05 2012 21:40 Medrea wrote:
8C.
Ok he must have his AC blowing on his intake.
Or there is a phase change CPU cooler he isnt telling us about because his Mainboard is reading mid to upper 70's. Which looks normal.
Or his CPU sensor on his motherboard is going. Or HWMonitor is reading the meta data wrong.
Pick one of the three. Ambient temp aint got nothing to do with it.
Tbh it is a shitty foxconn mobo and it reads volts stupidly wrong, saying i think like stupid amounts that should have my pc pooping and shorting out whenever its even on, but it seems to do me good, the overall cpu temps seem legit because when i stream and get like 64 degrees celc before it will start bugging out and crashing etc. but no blue screens. Overall my foxconn motherboard seems to do me good in heavy performing tasks so replacing it for reading sensors wrong is kinda unnecessary get my drift? :D
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On July 05 2012 23:47 FlyingToilet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 21:40 Medrea wrote:
8C.
Ok he must have his AC blowing on his intake.
Or there is a phase change CPU cooler he isnt telling us about because his Mainboard is reading mid to upper 70's. Which looks normal.
Or his CPU sensor on his motherboard is going. Or HWMonitor is reading the meta data wrong.
Pick one of the three. Ambient temp aint got nothing to do with it.
Tbh it is a shitty foxconn mobo and it reads volts stupidly wrong, saying i think like stupid amounts that should have my pc pooping and shorting out whenever its even on, but it seems to do me good, the overall cpu temps seem legit because when i stream and get like 64 degrees celc before it will start bugging out and crashing etc. but no blue screens. Overall my foxconn motherboard seems to do me good in heavy performing tasks so replacing it for reading sensors wrong is kinda unnecessary get my drift? :D
You're suggesting a cooling setup based off of the data, it seems entirely fucking reasonable to expect your temps to not defy the laws of physics.
Regardless of what we do or don't already know about the case and cooler, you shouldn't suggest it based off of clearly incorrect information.
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Yeah I dont see how thats reasonable. 11C with 111 watts running through it.
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