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On June 24 2012 11:04 Melancholia wrote:My friend is looking to build a computer for gaming/streaming. He's aiming for longevity and flexibility first, and his budget is up to $2000 or so. His primary concern is that he not have to build anything again for a while, and that what he builds now is able to handle gaming and streaming effectively. I pulled a lot of the recommendations from this thread already, I just want to check in to see if maybe we chose the wrong 670 or some such. PC parts list here: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/aIaf
Rosewill PSU is shit. Capstone 450 is miles better: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066
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RP600V2 is one of the ATNG models at least. I don't think it's that bad, just certainly not anything that somebody should be buying, and definitely miles worse than the Capstone. There was mention of "longevity" after all.
Is a 512GB SSD really necessary? Why not at $355, I guess...but that's still not chump change IMHO.
RAM is too expensive. More importantly, it has retarded heatspreaders that probably conflict with the NH-D14.
Just FYI, that GTX 670 uses a reference-style blower cooler (read: loud). I just figured anybody picking a P280 might care about that aspect.
Supposedly the Z77A-G43 (this is kind of common with certain lower-end motherboards, though it's hard to know which) has limited voltage control for overclocking. For long-term use, maybe something slightly more expensive would be more appropriate. Then again, you don't want to run really high voltages for long-term use anyway.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/motherboards/2012/06/11/msi-z77a-g43-review/1
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On June 24 2012 11:12 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 11:04 Melancholia wrote:My friend is looking to build a computer for gaming/streaming. He's aiming for longevity and flexibility first, and his budget is up to $2000 or so. His primary concern is that he not have to build anything again for a while, and that what he builds now is able to handle gaming and streaming effectively. I pulled a lot of the recommendations from this thread already, I just want to check in to see if maybe we chose the wrong 670 or some such. PC parts list here: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/aIaf Rosewill PSU is shit. Capstone 450 is miles better: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066
Somehow I always manage to overestimate power draw in builds. There is definitely the possibility of overclocking the CPU in the future, so just to make sure 450W will definitely provide enough room?
And switch the RAM to something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231441 I'm assuming?
Which 670 should we switch to? I read that this one has some software voltage controls that other varieties do no, which is most of the reason why we chose this one. That's not a huge plus here, it was just the first defining detail I ran into. We aren't wedded to the 670 either, it just looks like it outperforms the Radeon equivalents and the 680/690 don't gain enough performance to justify the price jump for this. Please tell me if I'm wrong about any of that.
Any recommendations about which other motherboards would be quality and not be restricted on the voltage control? I don't know what to look for here.
If those two heatsinks are comparable would there be any reason to not just choose the cheaper one?
And we definitely are willing to pay more if there are any clear performance/reliability increases to be had. The first concern is that this computer be pretty good for a long time.
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Hmm. Now I'm curious why the result seems so massively different, especially since frosty is usually at least an ok source on cooling type stuff.
I'ma go with your idea about there being a difference based on orientation, because it sounds smart.
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GTX 670 is a fine idea for a high-performance build. Before overclocking, that build should be well under 300W in a worst-case scenario synthetic load, even with extra hard drives. Capstone 450W can also do well over 450W anyway.
Some custom design that's quieter will cost a decent amount more, like this (may or may not be worth it):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121637
You know, you can always get two sets of 2 x 4GB RAM, since those tend to be cheaper. Actually, why is more than 8GB needed, anyway?
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I plan on overclocking my gpu and cpu (gtx 560ti and i5 2500k).
i wanna buy a cooler for cpu.
was searching on interned and ppl say that "Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus" is the way to go, however i cant find specifically this one at the store near me, instead i saw this one "Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO"
Heres a link to both of them
http://www.coolermaster.com/product.php?product_id=6636
http://www.coolermaster.com/product.php?product_id=6741
Can i buy the EVO one and be fine overclocking to 4,5ghz? or do i need to buy the PLUS one from ebay? what are the differences between these two coolers (sorry if stupid question)? Also maybe someone could suggest another cooler for i5 2500k overclock to 4,5 or 4,7 ?
Edit: i read that evo is even better than plus (cools the cpu by ~1-3 degrees more), is this true?
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EVO is sucessor to the Plus, it's better.
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7970 GE reviewed:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6025/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition-review-catching-up-to-gtx-680
Given the power draw, I no longer feel my 550W Neo Power would be able to power my 5770, 5830, and a 7970 GE (Thank you Diablo 3 for the extremely guilt free disposable income) in tandem. This power supply was rated as 504 watts across 3 vrails holding 22A. Like 7 years ago. All reviews point to this unit being a 650W unit in disguise but because of its age I think I am going to retire it. Please feel free to refute this, in fact Im counting on it.
This computer's future consists of an ASRock Pro 3 SE holding an i5-2500k, a 5770 overclocked close to its breaking point, 5830 overclocked one or two steps further away than the 5770, and a 7970GE lightly overclocked since that will become my new main card.
To power it. I am considering getting a capstone 750, or a capstone 650 in the next day or so. (Sale on newegg I think). Anyone have anything enlightening to add to this or should I just pull the trigger?
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what PSU should i get for:
i5 2500k (plan to OC)
asus sabertooth p67
palit gtx 560ti (plan to OC)
can anyone suggest what PSU should i get ? (keep in mind i plan to OC)
also what other PSU would u guys suggest if i want to get anoher gtx 560ti for sli?
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On June 24 2012 06:09 Grobyc wrote:
Looking into getting a new laptop since my old laptop was stolen a few months ago. I already have a powerful enough desktop, I would be using this for work, playing SC2 on (low-medium is fine), and for bringing to barcrafts to stream off of. We typically have the laptop connected to a 1280x720 HD projector (22' or so if that matters) running an HD IPL/MLG/GSL stream. Going to be connecting speakers to it via a 3.5mm audio jack specifically and connecting to the HD projector with HDMI.
Hoping to spend as little as possible without trading for quality too much. Can anyone make some recommendations? I can go over budget if need be, but I'd like to spend <$600 CAD. Needs to be capable of being used for the above tasks primarily.
In regards to my above post here from yesterday, I've been looking through a few sites for a new laptop. I wouldn't really want to pay more than this, but the below laptop could probably be squeezed into my budget:
Acer Aspire AS5755G-6491 Intel Core i5 2450M 6GB 500GB GeForce 630M - $649
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=69112&vpn=LX.RUZAA.002&manufacture=Acer&promoid=1048
Thoughts? Priced decently? Better alternatives? Low quality?
I know it's still a 2nd gen i5 but I've been having trouble finding anything remotely close to it in price with a good dedicated GPU and 3rd gen i5/3
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On June 25 2012 01:13 Grobyc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 06:09 Grobyc wrote:
Looking into getting a new laptop since my old laptop was stolen a few months ago. I already have a powerful enough desktop, I would be using this for work, playing SC2 on (low-medium is fine), and for bringing to barcrafts to stream off of. We typically have the laptop connected to a 1280x720 HD projector (22' or so if that matters) running an HD IPL/MLG/GSL stream. Going to be connecting speakers to it via a 3.5mm audio jack specifically and connecting to the HD projector with HDMI.
Hoping to spend as little as possible without trading for quality too much. Can anyone make some recommendations? I can go over budget if need be, but I'd like to spend <$600 CAD. Needs to be capable of being used for the above tasks primarily. In regards to my above post here from yesterday, I've been looking through a few sites for a new laptop. I wouldn't really want to pay more than this, but the below laptop could probably be squeezed into my budget: Acer Aspire AS5755G-6491 Intel Core i5 2450M 6GB 500GB GeForce 630M - $649 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=69112&vpn=LX.RUZAA.002&manufacture=Acer&promoid=1048Thoughts? Priced decently? Better alternatives? Low quality? I know it's still a 2nd gen i5 but I've been having trouble finding anything remotely close to it in price with a good dedicated GPU and 3rd gen i5/3
You realize to play SC2 on a laptop you don't need a strong dedicated gpu, you just need one.
ASUS i3-2330 13.3" 640GB HDD 4GB RAM GT520 $599.99 ($549.99AMIR)
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=65173&vpn=U31SD-DH31&manufacture=ASUS&promoid=1048
EDIT: The one you just ninja edited on me is better though.
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Yeah I know CPU is much more important; I do want a 15.6" screen however. The one I ninja'd was the same model for $30 cheaper at a different site. I'm fine playing on low, but if I can find a 540m or 630m or something that can handle medium as well for little to no extra cost I'll take that. So the one I have linked there now is a decent deal?
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Finally looking at upgrading my 4yo machine and I have a few questions. I'd like to get into overclocking eventually, but it's not needed out of the box
My current box is a dell XPS630i, I'm replacing the mobo, processor, and RAM. I've got a gtx460 that I'm quite pleased with, so I won't need a new card with this build.
A friend of mine also works at Intel and can get me an employee discount with their products, so keep that in mind (50% off) when considering my choices. My overall budget is probably 800 max, but I'm nowhere near that cap.
I'm planning on these parts:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131821
-Asus mobo, only reason I went for the more expensive one is b/c it had the 3.0 PCIe x16 standard and supported 1866 RAM out of the box. Any good Intel mobos I should know about? Thoughts on the 3.0 standard, will my current card be able to utilize 3.0 over 2.0?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=19-116-501
New ivy bridge, i7-3770k 3.5 quad-core. Only reservation people have is that it tends to get pretty hot around 4.5ghz overclocking, but like I said that's not super important to me (yet).
Ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104297
or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-233-183
Kingston or Corsair, frankly I know very little about memory timings so anything you can recommend would be good. The corsair one comes with it's own fan.
I don't remember the name of my current PSU, but it's a 4yo 770w that I ordered from my custom build with Dell. I'm pretty sure it's still good for this build.
I'm keeping my HDDs for now, but I want an SSD boot drive soon. Any good ones?
Other: any thoughts on after-market cooling or thermal paste?
Thanks!
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On June 25 2012 02:09 ObliviousNA wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Finally looking at upgrading my 4yo machine and I have a few questions. I'd like to get into overclocking eventually, but it's not needed out of the box My current box is a dell XPS630i, I'm replacing the mobo, processor, and RAM. I've got a gtx460 that I'm quite pleased with, so I won't need a new card with this build. A friend of mine also works at Intel and can get me an employee discount with their products, so keep that in mind (50% off) when considering my choices. My overall budget is probably 800 max, but I'm nowhere near that cap. I'm planning on these parts: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131821-Asus mobo, only reason I went for the more expensive one is b/c it had the 3.0 PCIe x16 standard and supported 1866 RAM out of the box. Any good Intel mobos I should know about? Thoughts on the 3.0 standard, will my current card be able to utilize 3.0 over 2.0? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=19-116-501New ivy bridge, i7-3770k 3.5 quad-core. Only reservation people have is that it tends to get pretty hot around 4.5ghz overclocking, but like I said that's not super important to me (yet). Ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104297or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-233-183Kingston or Corsair, frankly I know very little about memory timings so anything you can recommend would be good. The corsair one comes with it's own fan. I don't remember the name of my current PSU, but it's a 4yo 770w that I ordered from my custom build with Dell. I'm pretty sure it's still good for this build. I'm keeping my HDDs for now, but I want an SSD boot drive soon. Any good ones? Other: any thoughts on after-market cooling or thermal paste? Thanks!
Spending money on 1866 Ram is pointless, as the 0-1% increase in performance over 1333 ram is not worth it. All Z77 motherboards have PCIe 3.0 @x16. Any reason you chose the i7-3770k over i5-3570k?
ASRock Z77 Extreme4 & Crucial M4 128GB SSD $226.48 with promo code EMCNDHJ226
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.977306
i5-3570K & Corsair Vengeance 8GB DDR3-1600 1.5v $271.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.968800
Cooler Master Hyper 212+ $29.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065
You don't need thermal paste because the cooler master hyper 212+ comes with some.
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On June 25 2012 02:37 iTzSnypah wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 02:09 ObliviousNA wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Finally looking at upgrading my 4yo machine and I have a few questions. I'd like to get into overclocking eventually, but it's not needed out of the box My current box is a dell XPS630i, I'm replacing the mobo, processor, and RAM. I've got a gtx460 that I'm quite pleased with, so I won't need a new card with this build. A friend of mine also works at Intel and can get me an employee discount with their products, so keep that in mind (50% off) when considering my choices. My overall budget is probably 800 max, but I'm nowhere near that cap. I'm planning on these parts: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131821-Asus mobo, only reason I went for the more expensive one is b/c it had the 3.0 PCIe x16 standard and supported 1866 RAM out of the box. Any good Intel mobos I should know about? Thoughts on the 3.0 standard, will my current card be able to utilize 3.0 over 2.0? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=19-116-501New ivy bridge, i7-3770k 3.5 quad-core. Only reservation people have is that it tends to get pretty hot around 4.5ghz overclocking, but like I said that's not super important to me (yet). Ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104297or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-233-183Kingston or Corsair, frankly I know very little about memory timings so anything you can recommend would be good. The corsair one comes with it's own fan. I don't remember the name of my current PSU, but it's a 4yo 770w that I ordered from my custom build with Dell. I'm pretty sure it's still good for this build. I'm keeping my HDDs for now, but I want an SSD boot drive soon. Any good ones? Other: any thoughts on after-market cooling or thermal paste? Thanks! Spending money on 1866 Ram is pointless, as the 0-1% increase in performance over 1333 ram is not worth it. All Z77 motherboards have PCIe 3.0 @x16. Any reason you chose the i7-3770k over i5-3570k? ASRock Z77 Extreme4 & Crucial M4 128GB SSD $226.48 with promo code EMCNDHJ226 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.977306i5-3570K & Corsair Vengeance 8GB DDR3-1600 1.5v $271.98 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.968800Cooler Master Hyper 212+ $29.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065You don't need thermal paste because the cooler master hyper 212+ comes with some.
Thanks for the quick response. The main reason I'm looking at the 3770k is because I'm a programmer going into grad school and my current job involves a lot of data/number crunching. The 3770 was 5-10% better than the 3570 in most of the benchmarks I saw.
I also have to order through Intel to get half-off though, so I can't do any of the combo newegg deals on the Intel products.
I'll probably get that mobo/ssd deal and cooling though, thanks for the links. I looked up some of the RAM benchmarks, and I was quite surprised how small the improvements were for RAM speed increases.
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Hey guys, I'm considering a CPU upgrade in the near future. I have done some research but still have a couple questions:
1) The computer is used for gaming and web surfing, so an i5 definitely seems to be the best choice. My first instinct is to go for the newest model (3570k), but I have read that the new intel processor generation suffers from heat issues, hurting overclocking potential and thus making the 2500k a better choice for gaming. I have an aftermarket heatsink (CM Hyper N520) so I plan on some modest overclocking...perhaps 4.2 or 4.3 ghz. Is the 3570k going to give me headaches here or is it safe enough?
2) My current CPU is an AMD, so a new motherboard will be needed as well. That itself isn't an issue, but unfortunately I have the system builder version of Win 7. Am I going to be forced to buy a new copy? Extensive googling hasn't really come up with a concrete answer here. Some people say it's impossible to work around, others say that you can get away with it by buying a similar motherboard to the old one (i.e. same brand), and still others claim that a call to MS can fix the issue. Does anyone have experience with this? CPU + Mobo + OS is a bit more money than I am able to spend right now.
Thanks in advance for any help!
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On June 25 2012 04:41 city42 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey guys, I'm considering a CPU upgrade in the near future. I have done some research but still have a couple questions:
1) The computer is used for gaming and web surfing, so an i5 definitely seems to be the best choice. My first instinct is to go for the newest model (3570k), but I have read that the new intel processor generation suffers from heat issues, hurting overclocking potential and thus making the 2500k a better choice for gaming. I have an aftermarket heatsink (CM Hyper N520) so I plan on some modest overclocking...perhaps 4.2 or 4.3 ghz. Is the 3570k going to give me headaches here or is it safe enough?
2) My current CPU is an AMD, so a new motherboard will be needed as well. That itself isn't an issue, but unfortunately I have the system builder version of Win 7. Am I going to be forced to buy a new copy? Extensive googling hasn't really come up with a concrete answer here. Some people say it's impossible to work around, others say that you can get away with it by buying a similar motherboard to the old one (i.e. same brand), and still others claim that a call to MS can fix the issue. Does anyone have experience with this? CPU + Mobo + OS is a bit more money than I am able to spend right now.
Thanks in advance for any help!
3570k can be taken to 4.3GHz with minimal effort.
An OEM copy can be re-used with minimal effort.
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Hey guys, I'm looking to build a gaming PC in the $500ish range. I've found a couple builds that seem okay, specifically one from Eurogamer, someone there even specifically tried to make a decent PC in this range.
CPU: Intel G840 2.8GHz
GFX: Radeon HD 6770
Motherboard: ASRock H61M-VS
RAM: Crucial Ballistix 2x 4GB
Hard Drive: 500GB Seagate Spinpoint F3
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB DVD Rewriter
Power: Corsair 430W V2 CX Series
Any parts in here that are specifically bad, or anything I should replace if I'm willing to sink another hundred bucks into it?
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