EPTReally, wtf, this is a serious blow, and if this was any other game I would probably say "fuck that, I'll wait until they actually have some features in place until I buy the game."
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
Really, wtf, this is a serious blow, and if this was any other game I would probably say "fuck that, I'll wait until they actually have some features in place until I buy the game." | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
NO Replays online I love Blizzard and I love Starcraft, but I love it because you can play it on LAN with friends, you can play it online - you can play together, share replays etc. Sorry, but without LAN and Replays online I won't purchase it  ! Like Warcraft 3.. Replays offline - what a joke.. | ||
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sgt_cr
Costa Rica95 Posts
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
On July 06 2009 09:38 baldr83 wrote: To both Trezeguet23 and Psychobabas- Not being able to watch replays together over bnet is not the same as not being able to share replays over bnet. Just pointing that out. How are replays shared in Warcraft3 over battle.net? Sorry, I dont know, dont play Warcraft 3  | ||
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
On July 06 2009 16:36 p4NDemik wrote: What happened to blizzard not releasing the game until it's "finely polished?" Everyone talks about their reputation for taking the time to get things right, but lately with this game there's been topic after topic with interviews saying "this won't be shipped, that will be added at a later time," etc. Really, wtf, this is a serious blow, and if this was any other game I would probably say "fuck that, I'll wait until they actually have some features in place until I buy the game." I don't think whether viewing replays online solely determines if a game is polished or not. Blizzard have deadlines just like everyone else even though they spend a considerable more time than most polishing their games. You can't however keep polishing, adding features and tweaking ad infinitum. At some point you have to say enough; we need to get this project out, or you will become the next Duke Nukem Forever. Starcraft 2 has already been in production for 6 years, that's twice as long as the average AAA title this generation. Btw "old Blizzard" released Starcraft without replays at all. | ||
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Polis
Poland1292 Posts
On July 06 2009 16:57 Eury wrote: Starcraft 2 has already been in production for 6 years, that's twice as long as the average AAA title this generation. That is not true, the development started 6 years ago with few people, and then project was frozen becouse of wow, they had game in full development for few years there is nothing amazing about that. On July 06 2009 16:57 Eury wrote:Btw "old Blizzard" released Starcraft without replays at all. At that time that feature was unknown. Old blizzard added replay as the first company, and old Blizzard made big public Beta as the first company. New Blizzard looks for what can be cut from features that they were adding in the past, so they can ship the game faster. | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On July 06 2009 16:57 Eury wrote: I don't think whether viewing replays online solely determines if a game is polished or not. Blizzard have deadlines just like everyone else even though they spend a considerable more time than most polishing their games. You can't however keep polishing, adding features and tweaking ad infinitum. At some point you have to say enough; we need to get this project out, or you will become the next Duke Nukem Forever. Starcraft 2 has already been in production for 6 years, that's twice as long as the average AAA title this generation. Btw "old Blizzard" released Starcraft without replays at all. Yeah, when was vanilla released? Oh yeah, 1998. Solid comparison. They can have deadlines but this is a MAJOR FEATURE, something everyone took for granted, not something that you should squeeze in at the end, or, even worse, after release. They can sit around and work the gameplay for months, test it every which way, but if the features aren't there to where I can't enjoy the game fully with my friends then it's missing something very important. | ||
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
On July 06 2009 17:08 Polis wrote: That is not true, the development started 6 years ago with few people, and then project was frozen becouse of wow, they had game in full development for few years there is nothing amazing about that. At that time that feature was unknown. Old blizzard added replay as the first company, and old Blizzard made big public Beta as the first company. New Blizzard looks for what can be cut from features that they were adding in the past, so they can ship the game faster. The game development was never halted, they temporary cut back on the staff for a year, yes, but it was never stopped. You can't just compare the two games then start complaining about how Blizzard have sold out just because they cut out a few features. They have added more than they have cut out. A lot of posters here are starting to sound like old people reminiscing how great everything were back in "their days". Can we refrain on using the so called old and new Blizzard ? At this point it is borderline trolling. | ||
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
On July 06 2009 17:10 p4NDemik wrote: Yeah, when was vanilla released? Oh yeah, 1998. Solid comparison. They can have deadlines but this is a MAJOR FEATURE, something everyone took for granted, not something that you should squeeze in at the end, or, even worse, after release. They can sit around and work the gameplay for months, test it every which way, but if the features aren't there to where I can't enjoy the game fully with my friends then it's missing something very important. Come on, at least try to be reasonable. It isn't a MAJOR FEATURE for most of their customers. It is perhaps a major feature for this forum, but thankfully for Blizzard they don't have to solely rely on Teamliquid when it comes to sales. Would it be nice if I could view replays online? Sure, but let's try to keep things in perspective; there are a few other things I would miss more if it was left out. | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On July 06 2009 17:20 Eury wrote: Come on, at least try to be reasonable. It isn't a MAJOR FEATURE for most of their customers. It is perhaps a major feature for this forum, but thankfully for Blizzard they don't have to solely rely on Teamliquid when it comes to sales. Would it be nice if I could view replays online? Sure, but let's try to keep things in perspective; there are a few other things I would miss more if it was left out. I respect that you and other people have different things that you look for in a game, but this is a major blow for me and many others. | ||
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Latham
9592 Posts
I remember there being a discussion about this and people came to the conclusion that this is the reason why we can't watch reps on B.net. Again this is a wild theory I heard some years ago, so please don't bash me too hard if this is utterly false. | ||
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
On July 06 2009 17:31 p4NDemik wrote: I respect that you and other people have different things that you look for in a game, but this is a major blow for me and many others. I understand that, but I think it is a good chance that this will be patched in quite early on if it doesn't make launch. Bringing this to the attention of Blizzard in a calm and constructive manner hopefully ensues that, while ranting how great everything was 10 years ago like some posters, doesn't do anything good. | ||
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Hacksaw11
Australia359 Posts
You guys are such replay whores! it will come when the game is nearly broken  | ||
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lololol
5198 Posts
On July 06 2009 17:47 Latham wrote: OK I dunno where I heard this (might have been at like WC3 launch) that the difference between SC and WC3 is the following: SC is peer to peer B.net while WC3 has to connect to the main Blizzard server before connecting the players (such is the case for 1-1s in WC3 etc.) I remember there being a discussion about this and people came to the conclusion that this is the reason why we can't watch reps on B.net. Again this is a wild theory I heard some years ago, so please don't bash me too hard if this is utterly false. This aplies to ladder games only, in order to reduce cheating and in no way stops the addition of such a feature. | ||
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sgt_cr
Costa Rica95 Posts
see is the same thing why not including this feature instead of adding it later? Eury, u have to understand that now 2009 is very different back then 1998, replays were a mere concept, now days u have a lot of social networking and watching reps is one of those main features that connects ppl and helps them enjoy not just the game they are about to play but the game they played few minutes ago, and same when they want to enjoy the rep of someone else... What will happen if they suddenly tells u that u cant watch soccer(insert ur fav sport) anymore with ppl, that u need to watch them alone? pretty stupid if u ask me, bc the passion and the joy is always better with more ppl to share, blizzard needs to know that is IS REALLY a major issue, sure they can add it later, but then again not add a lot of stuff like rebalancing later and just release it now? Come on Blizzard plz add this on release of SC2!!!! if u really care about us the old customers plz do it. thanks. | ||
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Archon_Wing
United States378 Posts
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Dariush
Romania330 Posts
On July 03 2009 20:08 Eury wrote: Dustin already said that it will be routed similar as Warcraft 3, hence if you are all on LAN it will be routed through the LAN also. You will just authenticate to Battlenet. The problem with warcraft and starcraft on b.net are not the latencies, few people know this...it's the bandwidth (refresh rate) of the games in b.net mode...LAN mode has a much higher refresh rate, hence much more responsive...the latencies are P2P and are practically null if the players are in some kind of LAN. If they allow a LAN mode refresh rate (much more bandwidth hungry) for b.net2, the only difference between LAN and b.net will be the authentication. This is NOT the case for warcraft3. I cannot stand the refresh rate of warcraft3 in b.net mode, that's why I only play on garena. | ||
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teapot
United Kingdom266 Posts
Basically, I would have used this feature infrequently. I tend to watch replays in "quiet moments" when I'm too tired to actually game. And I'm more than happy to watch them alone. Quite frankly, I prefer to watch TV, movies by myself. But I understand if you would like to have that option available to you. Besides, you talk of the enjoyment of watching pro matches with friends. It is a lot more fun to watch pro matches live. I'm sure Blizzard will implement some sort of WaaaghTV system in SC2. I wouldn't really be too fussed at all about the lack of online replays. I'm more interested in how they allow a large audience to watch pro games live. | ||
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
On July 06 2009 18:52 teapot wrote: I'm sure Blizzard will implement some sort of WaaaghTV system in SC2. I wouldn't really be too fussed at all about the lack of online replays. I'm more interested in how they allow a large audience to watch pro games live. I really doubt they will. Otherwise they would have already started to boast. | ||
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sgt_cr
Costa Rica95 Posts
Guys in the forums of battle.net i found a thread about this same stuff, lets try to post some concerns about this feature so the ppl can see that its a major feature, and its very important for us... specially for us the SC/BW players. Link: http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=18326613953&sid=3000 gogogogogo post and make that thread huge! | ||
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