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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=16137710658&sid=3000 The thread focuses on ways to make the Changling a Zerg Terror weapon. The basic gist is that the changling would be able to kill small units and take there identity. Many players have put forth their version of this. So I ask the TL community "How do you think the Changeling should function?" | ||
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
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Motiva
United States1774 Posts
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
On April 14 2009 12:55 Motiva wrote: Yea, it's a neat idea, but it just isn't practical... 30seconds of work for 1 marine/zealot/hydra... I like the idea of the changling as a free (0mineral) unit that the overlord drops, and is pretty much just a really easy and practical scouting unit. With easymode macro you may have alot more free time on your hands | ||
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Murkyith14
United States111 Posts
Hopefully they make this unit so that it shows up on a pro level :D | ||
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DeCoup
Australia1933 Posts
2) The changeling should become the same unit as the majority of the 10 closest ground units within x yards. This will (a) allow it to blend better regardless of the enemy's build, (b) provide more visual clues that it is an impostor if it changes forms based on the units around it during the game. With these 2 changes it becomes more useful for the Zerg as the enemy is able to command it, and it will more likely travel with a group of raiders. It will also put more fear into the enemy and keep them more alert to the possibility of subterfuge. It would also allow more choices for how to deal with a discovered changeling. You could (a) Kill the unit, (b) Click the unit and tell it to run into the fog of war (possibly making it change back to zerg form as it is not close to units), (c) Send it in a small 'fake' raid to trick the zerg player into moving its armies to certain locations while you send a real strike force from a different direction. Basically using their own unit to feed false information to the player. This idea adds more intensity to all parts of the game, from scanning over units to find intruders to mind game tactics on both sides. | ||
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Augury
United States758 Posts
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YianKutKu
United States142 Posts
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poor newb
United States1879 Posts
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Beaudereck
Canada140 Posts
I love the changeling, it forces the player that controls it to always be aware of what the other player is doing (if you have a marine that reacts late or not at all to orders, you can guess it is a changeling). And when being the player controlling it, you have to pay extra attention to it, since it has to behave exactly like the other marines. The changeling can accomplish things like scouting, obviously, but imagine you spawn 8 or 9 changelings to give your opponent the impression his army is bigger than what it is for real, or if you can spawn changelings that look like your own units, you can do this to for your army too. I think that with time and imagination, uses of the changeling will grow in number. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
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Pholon
Netherlands6142 Posts
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WoodenSpider
United States85 Posts
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CommanderFluffy
Taiwan1059 Posts
On April 15 2009 04:52 Beaudereck wrote: wow, poor newb, this is low... I love the changeling, it forces the player that controls it to always be aware of what the other player is doing (if you have a marine that reacts late or not at all to orders, you can guess it is a changeling). And when being the player controlling it, you have to pay extra attention to it, since it has to behave exactly like the other marines. The changeling can accomplish things like scouting, obviously, but imagine you spawn 8 or 9 changelings to give your opponent the impression his army is bigger than what it is for real, or if you can spawn changelings that look like your own units, you can do this to for your army too. I think that with time and imagination, uses of the changeling will grow in number. i dont think its worth the time to baby these units to trick your opponent. if anything parasite is probably a better choice since it forces the opponent to give up information or kill that unit off. | ||
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Beaudereck
Canada140 Posts
On April 15 2009 09:41 CommanderFluffy wrote: i dont think its worth the time to baby these units to trick your opponent. if anything parasite is probably a better choice since it forces the opponent to give up information or kill that unit off. Yeah probably... I was just already dreaming of all the pimpest plays that would involve changelings, like changeling wall to block lurkers... :p | ||
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armed_
Canada443 Posts
On April 15 2009 08:45 WoodenSpider wrote: or a high level (where they can make sure it always does the right thing). This is impossible against a high level player. By the time you even know what command your opponent has given, he'll probably have noticed the discrepancy in behaviour. No amount of attention or speed would allow you to be able to give the commands fast enough on reaction. | ||
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GhostKorean
United States2330 Posts
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lordmordor
United States209 Posts
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omninmo
2349 Posts
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
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lordmordor
United States209 Posts
Your going to have overseers anyway for your mobile detection, and if its not as easy to spot then parasite might actually see some use | ||
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immacolate
Serbia199 Posts
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scwizard
United States1195 Posts
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MoNSteR_K4iSeR
United States46 Posts
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Daniri
387 Posts
On April 15 2009 18:52 BluzMan wrote: In this appearance, StarCraft -> StarCraft II transition raises a worrying resemblance to StarShip Troopers -> StarShip Troopers II transition. Bugs are all about primal fury, genetical superiority and brute force. Keep 'em that way, "infiltrator bugs" are bullshit. I agree with you in a limited way. Changeling is too much like Starship Troopers. Calling Zerg "bugs" is too much like Starship Troopers as well. | ||
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CrimsonLotus
Colombia1123 Posts
On April 16 2009 00:03 lordmordor wrote: another option is to just replace the changling with the old Parasite from brood war...just get rid of that green indicator that made it so easy to spot before. It wasn't worth building queens just to use an easily spotted parasite. This. Just make it a useful version of parasite. Gimmicks like this add nothing to competitive gameplay and i also dont think it makes the game any more fun on the casual level. | ||
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Hammy
France828 Posts
Concerning the parasite idea, I think it's either useless if the enemy knows it's there (if the icon becomes green) or totally imbalanced if the enemy doesn't. That being said the changeling is one of those things where you don't have much of a strategic choice to make, you can just spam it whenever your overseer has energy (which is a slightly uninteresting concept since you don't actually have anything to lose). | ||
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lowlypawn
United States241 Posts
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ZeeTemplar
United States557 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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lowlypawn
United States241 Posts
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immacolate
Serbia199 Posts
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Hammy
France828 Posts
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nataziel
Australia1455 Posts
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zazen
Brazil695 Posts
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gumbum8
United States721 Posts
Sry... Allergic to bullshit :S I just had to | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5459 Posts
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spkim1
Canada286 Posts
Thus, how about this: if the changeling changes shape into an SCV, the mineral/vespene it mines goes to its owner's resource supply! wouldn't that make this unit so much more useful? leeching off the enemy player? | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On April 21 2009 05:30 spkim1 wrote: the only way i can think of using this unit usefully is by releasing it near a command center where it will pretend to mine minerals while spying on the enemy. Thus, how about this: if the changeling changes shape into an SCV, the mineral/vespene it mines goes to its owner's resource supply! wouldn't that make this unit so much more useful? leeching off the enemy player? I cant help but doubt they'll not miss the scv leaving their base and going to yours, and i dont see how putting resources into their main building will give them to you(if this is the approach youre going for) | ||
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spkim1
Canada286 Posts
oh, and about Zergs being "bugs", if you're referring to the insect class, the Zerg race uses several terms that overlap with the insect ecology (e.g. Queen, Drone, Larva, Egg, Evolution, Mutation, Burrow ability, colony, swarm, hatchery, lair, hive, and that liquid that strangely reminds you of formic acid fired by ants) so there are reasons why people might be reminded of bugs. Furthermore, the idea of the Overmind also makes close allusion to social insects' behaviour of "acting as one". On the other hand, many of the zerg units are not anthropods, and they are a wholy different extraterrestrial life form which presumably do not require oxygen to survive. so there you are... they're not really insects but resemble them very much  | ||
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Krikkitone
United States1451 Posts
lasts somewhere between 80 and 180 sec. Another option is a perfectly cloaked (no evidence without detectors) "unit" that is attached to the enemy unit, so that if a detector is nearby the "Parasited" unit then nearby units will "Shoot it off" (maybe it does ~20 hp of damage to its host when it dies) I agree the Changeling is unZerg. At best it should be attached to the Infester as a version of Neural Parasite. | ||
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zergnewb
United States816 Posts
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Skeptic
United States89 Posts
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