EPTLessons learned from WC3 (mostly technical issues) - Page 3
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f1bmw
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ManWithCheese
Canada246 Posts
The problems with targeting units behind buildings exist only because of the 3D enviroment, which will be carried on to sc2 from wc3. I think the game would be better in "semi-2D" like starcraft 1, but I understand that for the new audiance that is not acceptable. They do want to make a game that sells in large quantities, not just take over the minimal (compared to other games) Brood War fan base. It has to attract kids. I just hope they make the best of it, I don't want to feel obstructed by the camera view. Selective memory ftl. You seem to forget that terran constantly hide units behind their lifted buildings in sc1 making it impossible for the other player to target those units, 3d actually fixes this to a degree. * Add an option in the menu to disable the god damn windows key! I really don't like the fact I have to edit my registry or use a 3rd party program to do this. * Same thing goes for ALT-TAB ^ * Please add a menu where we can easily configure ALL hot keys to whatever we choose , something similar to Warkeys would be nice! * Add am EASY way to squelch your opponent. When their name “IllIIlIIlIIlIIlllI” (L & i) it's a little difficult. A box you could quickly check in game sure would be nice. * ALT-QQ!?!?! Hello!!! how many countless games have been thrown away on this little gem. Option to disable please... 1. I don't see a reason for this when you can just pry out the windows key if you have problems with hitting the key as the key is absolutely pointless if you don't use it. 2. If they don't have a permanent show health bar option i can agree for this. 3. Would be very nice. 4. Agreed, something like right click the player name to bring up a menu and squelch being in that menu. 5. I suggest the impossible is done and switch it to ALT-Q-Q-Q for quit exit even though i've never done it myself. | ||
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MasterReY
Germany2708 Posts
sorry OP | ||
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Bob123
Korea (North)259 Posts
On March 14 2009 05:52 ManWithCheese wrote: Selected memory ftl. You seem to forget that terran constantly hide units behind their lifted buildings in sc1 making it impossible for the other player to target those units, 3d actually fixes this to a degree. On March 14 2009 05:52 ManWithCheese wrote: 1. I don't see a reason for this when you can just pry out the windows key if you have problems with hitting the key as the key is absolutely pointless if you don't use it. 2. If they don't have a permanent show health bar option i can agree for this. 3. Would be very nice. 4. Agreed, something like right click the player name to bring up a menu and squelch being in that menu. 5. I suggest the impossible is done and switch it to ALT-Q-Q-Q for quit exit even though i've never done it myself. I think there is a difference between the "player made" trick of hiding tanks/turrets under barracks, ebays and the 3D engine being anoying. "Sorry that chest was behind the trees from that angle, must rotate the screen 90 degrees to the right and zoom in max to take it". 1: Why should we have to physically violate our computers? I'm on a laptop and it's not that simple just to rip it out, even if i did on my previous desktop computer's keyboards. Maybe people use the windows key normally and therefor don't want to remove it. It's a small convenience thing, if you're so against this feature, simply don't use it. 5: I'm not sure if this was a joke or not, but it doesn't solve anything. | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
On March 13 2009 17:36 lowlypawn wrote: I’ve only accidentally Alt-QQ a won game a handful of times but that’e enough. As Ingenol said, “Q” is in a good location. Pretty much anyone who has remapped their keys to the QWER,ASDF,ZXCV has probably accidentally ALT-QQ at least once. I also don’t feel like prying out my windows key from my nice new Razer lycosa keyboard. Thou if I must I will find a way to take it apart and permanently disable the windows key. What’s crazy is I tried disabling the win key in the program that came with the keyboard, it didn’t work... So then I tried the regedit hack for vista, http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/77881-windows-hotkeys.html and even that didn’t work!GRRRRRR, thankfully warkeys/autokeys has an option to disable the left windows key. Anyway how you have never ALT-QQ or ALT-tabbbed in 11 years is a mystery to me But I can only guess you don’t use custom keys and/or or you are mostly a mouse only player. I use my keyboard just as much as my mouse during games. | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5420 Posts
Custom maps like DOTA are probably why you guys think they are over 1 MB. I think it'll be easy for Blizzard to have replays online once again. | ||
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
On March 14 2009 02:09 bludragen88 wrote: Actually, among colorblindnesses, I thought red/green colorblindness was only a slight majority of all cases, because there's protanopia, which is a lack of red receptors... but anyways, I totally agree that you should be able to manually change the colors to whatever you want (and set those color preferences out of game, even). I also think that even if alt-QQ has never happened to you, you should be able to disable it if it happens to some people. I'm pretty sure any casual player would be extremely turned off by a game if they lost two games that they were winning to a stupid keyboard shortcut (especially since their hotkey control wouldn't be as refined as longtime players). Red/green are by far the most, something like 80% of them, where most of the red/green can actually see all colors but with their green spectrum shifted towards the red one making them seem extremely similar, or some of them have the red spectrum shifted towards green instead getting almost the same effect. The rest types of color blindness just lacks some receptors and thus do not see those colors at all, like me who don't see red. And color blindness is quite common, 10% of males got it so its a huge amount of people who gets handicapped by the large reliance on colors in most games. | ||
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Murkyith14
United States111 Posts
On Starcraft or Warcraft, that's never been an issue. I guess I could see it because of control for hotkeying things, but for some reason I only ever accidently hit it when I try to hit Alt, not Ctrl haha I'm with ya on the easy way to squelch though. Since that's a feature in Diablo, it's kinda weird they left it out in WC3. It could be in the diplomacy menu where you ally/unally people. ...How do you accidently hit Alt and Tab though? I can't really see hitting both of them at once happening accidently. | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On March 14 2009 10:33 Murkyith14 wrote: The only times I ever hit the windows key is while playing Diablo 2, because you use Alt to see items... On Starcraft or Warcraft, that's never been an issue. I guess I could see it because of control for hotkeying things, but for some reason I only ever accidently hit it when I try to hit Alt, not Ctrl haha I'm with ya on the easy way to squelch though. Since that's a feature in Diablo, it's kinda weird they left it out in WC3. It could be in the diplomacy menu where you ally/unally people. ...How do you accidently hit Alt and Tab though? I can't really see hitting both of them at once happening accidently. Can happen in WC3, you use Alt to see the health bars of all units on the screen and you wanna get group 1 and you accidently hit Tab?  | ||
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hixhix
1156 Posts
On March 13 2009 16:18 -orb- wrote: OH GREAT BECAUSE THE GREEN+RED IT CHANGES IT TO IS REALLY GREAT HUH? Like 99.9% of the people that are color blind, I'M RED/GREEN color blind. I want to be able to change it to like red/blue or yellow/blue etc I know nothing about color blind. So if you're RED/GREEN color blind, how do you deal with red/green traffic lights ? | ||
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furymonkey
New Zealand1587 Posts
On March 13 2009 15:13 SoMuchBetter wrote: i hope the annoying chains from war3's interface don't make a return. they were nice to look at the first couple of times, but after that became annoying plus not letting people watch replays on bnet was a mistake I remember Blizzard even point that out themself a long time ago, I'm sure it will be fixed. However things like window key and alt+qq isn't a too big of deal for me, as I often use them, and I never accidently pressed them during games. Edit: I have a habbit of taking my thumb off the alt key when I use other buttons. | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
On March 14 2009 11:55 hixhix wrote: I know nothing about color blind. So if you're RED/GREEN color blind, how do you deal with red/green traffic lights ? Unlike blizzard (and most game developers it seems... sigh) the government actually took color blind people into account when making traffic lights. You see, being color blind only makes two colors look exactly alike if they are the same shade. In other words, if you were to take a picture and then completely desaturate it, would they look the same in black and white? Obviously it's not quite this simple since for almost all cases of color blindness the color blind person doesn't see in black and white (that would be a complete lack of retinal cones). While different shades can still be hard to tell apart, the closer the shade is, the harder the two colors are to tell apart, so with traffic lights they made the red a very deep red, while the green is a very light green so that it's easy to tell apart. On top of that if they were the same shade, red is always on top and green is always on the bottom, so you don't need to be able to see the colors. Edit: Here is a very cool site that shows you somewhat what it might be like to be colorblind. For most of the images on that page I can't tell the two apart. | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
On March 14 2009 14:45 -orb- wrote: Unlike blizzard (and most game developers it seems... sigh) the government actually took color blind people into account when making traffic lights. You see, being color blind only makes two colors look exactly alike if they are the same shade. In other words, if you were to take a picture and then completely desaturate it, would they look the same in black and white? Obviously it's not quite this simple since for almost all cases of color blindness the color blind person doesn't see in black and white (that would be a complete lack of retinal cones). While different shades can still be hard to tell apart, the closer the shade is, the harder the two colors are to tell apart, so with traffic lights they made the red a very deep red, while the green is a very light green so that it's easy to tell apart. On top of that if they were the same shade, red is always on top and green is always on the bottom, so you don't need to be able to see the colors. Edit: Here is a very cool site that shows you somewhat what it might be like to be colorblind. For most of the images on that page I can't tell the two apart. A simpler part of the solution is that the green light is always on the bottom, and the red always on top :D | ||
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AsianEcksDragon
United States1036 Posts
Bring back game speed setting What gave Blizzard the idea that people enjoyed watching unit spend 10 mins killing each other when both WC2 and SC were played in fastest? Not allowing players to set game speed was the worst thing about WC3. | ||
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PlutoNZ
New Zealand410 Posts
On March 14 2009 15:49 AsianEcksDragon wrote: You guys forgot the most important thing: Bring back game speed setting What gave Blizzard the idea that people enjoyed watching unit spend 10 mins killing each other when both WC2 and SC were played in fastest? Not allowing players to set game speed was the worst thing about WC3. You can set game speed in Warcraft 3. Everyone plays Warcraft 3 on fastest setting. | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
On March 14 2009 16:14 SearingShadow wrote: You can set game speed in Warcraft 3. Everyone plays Warcraft 3 on fastest setting. Not to mention the fact that they've already discussed game speeds, so they'll most likely be in the game. | ||
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Rice
United States1332 Posts
On March 14 2009 15:49 AsianEcksDragon wrote: You guys forgot the most important thing: Bring back game speed setting What gave Blizzard the idea that people enjoyed watching unit spend 10 mins killing each other when both WC2 and SC were played in fastest? Not allowing players to set game speed was the worst thing about WC3. i like when people who have literally no knowledge about a game talk as if they are seasoned veterans | ||
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Bash
Finland1533 Posts
On March 14 2009 17:34 Rice wrote: i like when people who have literally no knowledge about a game talk as if they are seasoned veterans Indeed... Even Faster is the speed of choice for competitive players in WC2. | ||
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Tom Phoenix
1114 Posts
If I find it, I will be sure to post it here. | ||
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lowlypawn
United States241 Posts
* Injured units should bleed! (Or smoke if they are mechanical)…Health bars are ugly and old school. In WC3 they added the feature to always have them on, that was a step in the right direction but they still look terrible. A much better solution that is already partially implemented would be to make injured units bleed (or smoke if they are mechanical). Building already have this feature so it would not be hard for blizzard to add this to all the units. The only problem I can see would be a frame rate issue. If you have a hundred zerglings all bleeding at once I could see that slowing down the game. But then again I’m sure there would be a way to have a simpler bleed animation for slower computers that would not take any more CPU cycles then those ugly heath bars. | ||
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