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On March 13 2009 16:24 rushz0rz wrote:
I have never once ALT-QQ'd out of a game accidentally in the 11 years I have played StarCraft.
I have never ALT-tabbed or ALT-QQ'd out of a WC3 game either. As for the windows button, take it out of your keyboard. It serves no real purpose anyway.
How the hell do you even do that accidentally?
I’ve only accidentally Alt-QQ a won game a handful of times but that’e enough. As Ingenol said, “Q” is in a good location. Pretty much anyone who has remapped their keys to the QWER,ASDF,ZXCV has probably accidentally ALT-QQ at least once.
I also don’t feel like prying out my windows key from my nice new Razer lycosa keyboard. Thou if I must I will find a way to take it apart and permanently disable the windows key. What’s crazy is I tried disabling the win key in the program that came with the keyboard, it didn’t work... So then I tried the regedit hack for vista, http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/77881-windows-hotkeys.html and even that didn’t work!GRRRRRR, thankfully warkeys/autokeys has an option to disable the left windows key.
Anyway how you have never ALT-QQ or ALT-tabbbed in 11 years is a mystery to me But I can only guess you don’t use custom keys and/or or you are mostly a mouse only player.
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On March 13 2009 17:06 esla_sol wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2009 16:51 SearingShadow wrote:
I believe this is why players had the ability to watch SC replays on Bnet and not WC3:
Watching replays with other players online was easy in SC1 because the map file was included in the replay file. Therefore, players without the map that the game was played on would still be able to watch the replay.
In Warcraft 3, map files were a lot larger, some over 4.5 mb. If the map file was included in the replay file, some player's replay folder would be massive.
It's very likely that SC2 map files will be a lot larger than WC3 map files.
Would you rather replays be 100kb or be 5mb but you're able to watch them on Bnet?
Blizzard believes the costs out weigh the benefits. if you are watching a replay of any 1v1 game, the maps wont be over 500 kb (most would run about 200).
This is true about standard Blizzard maps, but a lot of WC3 tournaments use Blizzard maps which have been edited to contain sponsors. Some even have custom loading screens. These things will increase the file size of a map by over 1 mb. And what about UMS maps? I am certain that there are going to be some very large custom made maps (> 8mb). With custom music, custom unit models, custom tilesets and a large playable area I wouldn't be surprised if some maps were over 15 mb.
The only way Blizzard would allow players to view replays on Bnet is if the map files were not included in the replay file. This may be difficult for Blizzard to do.
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with the alt for health bar thing i could definitely see alt qqing
that really needs to be taken out
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A simple solution would be being able to customize all your hotkeys.
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On March 13 2009 17:36 lowlypawn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2009 16:24 rushz0rz wrote:
I have never once ALT-QQ'd out of a game accidentally in the 11 years I have played StarCraft.
I have never ALT-tabbed or ALT-QQ'd out of a WC3 game either. As for the windows button, take it out of your keyboard. It serves no real purpose anyway.
How the hell do you even do that accidentally? I’ve only accidentally Alt-QQ a won game a handful of times but that’e enough. As Ingenol said, “Q” is in a good location. Pretty much anyone who has remapped their keys to the QWER,ASDF,ZXCV has probably accidentally ALT-QQ at least once. I also don’t feel like prying out my windows key from my nice new Razer lycosa keyboard. Thou if I must I will find a way to take it apart and permanently disable the windows key. What’s crazy is I tried disabling the win key in the program that came with the keyboard, it didn’t work... So then I tried the regedit hack for vista, http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/77881-windows-hotkeys.html and even that didn’t work!GRRRRRR, thankfully warkeys/autokeys has an option to disable the left windows key. Anyway how you have never ALT-QQ or ALT-tabbbed in 11 years is a mystery to me But I can only guess you don’t use custom keys and/or or you are mostly a mouse only player.
I have Q as move key and I use ALT a lot, never yet managed to ALT-QQ out, i use alt a lot. Tab is useful too never managed to alt tab out either. Window key is painfull sometimes though.
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On March 13 2009 17:48 IdrA wrote:
with the alt for health bar thing i could definitely see alt qqing
that really needs to be taken out
happens a lot in wc3 yeah. alt-tab as well, since you're checking unit hp and switching beteween heroes/unit blocks a lot.
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edit: wrong thread, nvm. mispost
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I hope it will be easier to target units that are behind buildings/trees. Due to the angle of perspective, it can be really tricky sometimes. For example acolytes "above" the gold mine or treasure drops from monster packs. It happend many times that I was forced to use the camera rotation keys, that's like page up/down or something, which feels very wierd, especially since you have to hold it down or the camera rotates back.
The alt-q-q and alt-tab issues have already been pointed out, I have felt those many times. Damn beast master.
Oh and about hotkeys in general (I think they did pretty well with this in wc3), make them easily accessable. Probes on "r", not "p" for example. I feel physically handicapped everytime i play protoss. Normally I'm terran and "s" is a very easy to press, no 15 cm hand movement needed.
Better yet, make all keys 100% customizable without having to edit text files and stuff/use 3rd party programs. It should be simple, kind of like in World of warcraft.
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On March 13 2009 21:17 Bob123 wrote:
I hope it will be easier to target units that are behind buildings/trees. Due to the angle of perspective, it can be really tricky sometimes. For example acolytes "above" the gold mine or treasure drops from monster packs. It happend many times that I was forced to use the camera rotation keys, that's like page up/down or something, which feels very wierd, especially since you have to hold it down or the camera rotates back.
The alt-q-q and alt-tab issues have already been pointed out, I have felt those many times. Damn beast master.
Oh and about hotkeys in general (I think they did pretty well with this in wc3), make them easily accessable. Probes on "r", not "p" for example. I feel physically handicapped everytime i play protoss. Normally I'm terran and "s" is a very easy to press, no 15 cm hand movement needed.
Better yet, make all keys 100% customizable without having to edit text files and stuff/use 3rd party programs. It should be simple, kind of like in World of warcraft.
Oooh, bringing WoW into this discussion was a mistake, prepare, for flame!
No j/k but I agree with most other things, but why are you comparing SC2 to WC3? Makes no sense.
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Wow. I hardly find anything of this to be a problem for me. Sorry.
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On March 13 2009 21:21 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2009 21:17 Bob123 wrote:
I hope it will be easier to target units that are behind buildings/trees. Due to the angle of perspective, it can be really tricky sometimes. For example acolytes "above" the gold mine or treasure drops from monster packs. It happend many times that I was forced to use the camera rotation keys, that's like page up/down or something, which feels very wierd, especially since you have to hold it down or the camera rotates back.
The alt-q-q and alt-tab issues have already been pointed out, I have felt those many times. Damn beast master.
Oh and about hotkeys in general (I think they did pretty well with this in wc3), make them easily accessable. Probes on "r", not "p" for example. I feel physically handicapped everytime i play protoss. Normally I'm terran and "s" is a very easy to press, no 15 cm hand movement needed.
Better yet, make all keys 100% customizable without having to edit text files and stuff/use 3rd party programs. It should be simple, kind of like in World of warcraft. Oooh, bringing WoW into this discussion was a mistake, prepare, for flame! No j/k but I agree with most other things, but why are you comparing SC2 to WC3? Makes no sense.
Because SCII interface will resemble WC3 more then any other game…
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What in the world is this Alt-QQ stuff about?
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On March 13 2009 23:44 Biochemist wrote:
What in the world is this Alt-QQ stuff about?
alt Q Q is the combination of keys to surrender fast.
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Don't know if sc2 has the same annoying mouse scroll to change view like wc3, but seriously, give an option to disable that. Countless times have my finger accidentally grazed the middle scroll in a big battle in wc3 and the laggy camera view change f's up my micro.
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As one of the Beta Testers I'll try and get this implemented, though not to sure what real power we have
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On March 13 2009 15:02 lowlypawn wrote:F$%^! lessons “Learned”, and i can't edit the title  O well epic fail... Here are a few little flaws in WC3 that really should have been fixed a long time ago. I don't know that Blizzard will repeat the same mistakes but for those lucky few who DO get into the SCII beta please make sure stupid little items like this don't get missed. I know most people will be focused on balance, units and stuff but please try to "see the trees in the forest" if you know what I mean. * Add an option in the menu to disable the god damn windows key! I really don't like the fact I have to edit my registry or use a 3rd party program to do this. * Same thing goes for ALT-TAB ^ * Please add a menu where we can easily configure ALL hot keys to whatever we choose , something similar to Warkeys would be nice! * Add am EASY way to squelch your opponent. When their name “IllIIlIIlIIlIIlllI” (L & i) it's a little difficult. A box you could quickly check in game sure would be nice. * ALT-QQ!?!?! Hello!!! how many countless games have been thrown away on this little gem. Option to disable please... Anything else I missed?
sorry, but i think ur definately wrong here....
disable win key is fine, but also disable alt+tab?
are you serious? how are you supposed to go to windows then. moreover its not very likey to accidently hit alt+tab lol......
changing hotkeys is BULLSHIT !
the squelch thing is ok
alt+qq....its useful......and its ur fault if you hit it by mistake....wtf usefulness>stupidity
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On March 13 2009 16:18 -orb- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2009 16:09 Rice wrote:On March 13 2009 16:01 -orb- wrote:
Need to be able to manually alter what colors people appear as.
I'm colorblind shift + tab OH GREAT BECAUSE THE GREEN+RED IT CHANGES IT TO IS REALLY GREAT HUH? Like 99.9% of the people that are color blind, I'M RED/GREEN color blind. I want to be able to change it to like red/blue or yellow/blue etc
Actually, among colorblindnesses, I thought red/green colorblindness was only a slight majority of all cases, because there's protanopia, which is a lack of red receptors... but anyways, I totally agree that you should be able to manually change the colors to whatever you want (and set those color preferences out of game, even). I also think that even if alt-QQ has never happened to you, you should be able to disable it if it happens to some people. I'm pretty sure any casual player would be extremely turned off by a game if they lost two games that they were winning to a stupid keyboard shortcut (especially since their hotkey control wouldn't be as refined as longtime players).
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On March 13 2009 21:21 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2009 21:17 Bob123 wrote:
I hope it will be easier to target units that are behind buildings/trees. Due to the angle of perspective, it can be really tricky sometimes. For example acolytes "above" the gold mine or treasure drops from monster packs. It happend many times that I was forced to use the camera rotation keys, that's like page up/down or something, which feels very wierd, especially since you have to hold it down or the camera rotates back.
The alt-q-q and alt-tab issues have already been pointed out, I have felt those many times. Damn beast master.
Oh and about hotkeys in general (I think they did pretty well with this in wc3), make them easily accessable. Probes on "r", not "p" for example. I feel physically handicapped everytime i play protoss. Normally I'm terran and "s" is a very easy to press, no 15 cm hand movement needed.
Better yet, make all keys 100% customizable without having to edit text files and stuff/use 3rd party programs. It should be simple, kind of like in World of warcraft. Oooh, bringing WoW into this discussion was a mistake, prepare, for flame! No j/k but I agree with most other things, but why are you comparing SC2 to WC3? Makes no sense.
Because some of these things were steps in the wrong direction, comming from starcraft 1. I'm not gonna say that wc3 was worse than starcraft in every single possible way. It wasn't. Flame me if you like. I think to show HP bars with the alt key (later automatic) in wc3 was not a bad idea. Unexpected problems arose though, such as accidental alt-q-q or alt-tab. The idea was good, but poorly implemented (or not thought-through enough).
The problems with targeting units behind buildings exist only because of the 3D enviroment, which will be carried on to sc2 from wc3. I think the game would be better in "semi-2D" like starcraft 1, but I understand that for the new audiance that is not acceptable. They do want to make a game that sells in large quantities, not just take over the minimal (compared to other games) Brood War fan base. It has to attract kids. I just hope they make the best of it, I don't want to feel obstructed by the camera view.
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On March 14 2009 01:36 MasterReY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2009 15:02 lowlypawn wrote:F$%^! lessons “Learned”, and i can't edit the title O well epic fail... Here are a few little flaws in WC3 that really should have been fixed a long time ago. I don't know that Blizzard will repeat the same mistakes but for those lucky few who DO get into the SCII beta please make sure stupid little items like this don't get missed. I know most people will be focused on balance, units and stuff but please try to "see the trees in the forest" if you know what I mean. * Add an option in the menu to disable the god damn windows key! I really don't like the fact I have to edit my registry or use a 3rd party program to do this. * Same thing goes for ALT-TAB ^ * Please add a menu where we can easily configure ALL hot keys to whatever we choose , something similar to Warkeys would be nice! * Add am EASY way to squelch your opponent. When their name “IllIIlIIlIIlIIlllI” (L & i) it's a little difficult. A box you could quickly check in game sure would be nice. * ALT-QQ!?!?! Hello!!! how many countless games have been thrown away on this little gem. Option to disable please... Anything else I missed? sorry, but i think ur definately wrong here.... disable win key is fine, but also disable alt+tab? are you serious? how are you supposed to go to windows then. moreover its not very likey to accidently hit alt+tab lol...... changing hotkeys is BULLSHIT ! the squelch thing is ok alt+qq....its useful......and its ur fault if you hit it by mistake....wtf usefulness>stupidity
Uh what is your problem with choices?
He's not asking for them to disable it and leave it at that but he's asking for an option to freaking disable it if you want, I think that's more than fair.
Why is changing hotkeys bullshit? Do you have any clue how much more comfortable it would be for me to play protoss if I could move Pylon to Y from P? It's not even game breaking and again, it's a damn choice.
If you've ever played WC3 you'd be shocked at how easy it is to accidentally alt+qq a game away given how you pop up health bars.
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On March 13 2009 16:18 -orb- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2009 16:09 Rice wrote:On March 13 2009 16:01 -orb- wrote:
Need to be able to manually alter what colors people appear as.
I'm colorblind shift + tab OH GREAT BECAUSE THE GREEN+RED IT CHANGES IT TO IS REALLY GREAT HUH? Like 99.9% of the people that are color blind, I'M RED/GREEN color blind. I want to be able to change it to like red/blue or yellow/blue etc
yeah i realized this a few minutes after i made my post but i was already off of the computer and decided not to go back and change it
On March 13 2009 17:48 IdrA wrote:
with the alt for health bar thing i could definitely see alt qqing
that really needs to be taken out
in war3 a few patches ago they added an option to permanently display health bars, but its still a problem because people are so used to holding down alt the entire time they play. so you will habitually hold alt down with the option enabled and make the healthbars not show =/
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