EPTI made this template that you can use:
https://tiermaker.com/create/starcraft-2---ewc-2024-tier-list-16711448
Here is mine for example, ordered
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EWC Tier List
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NeWHoriZonS
55 Posts
I made this template that you can use: https://tiermaker.com/create/starcraft-2---ewc-2024-tier-list-16711448 Here is mine for example, ordered | ||
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Locutos
Brazil273 Posts
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Locutos
Brazil273 Posts
Maru is semi god level. The rest is the rest. | ||
Waxangel
United States33581 Posts
Tier 1: Maru Tier 1.5: herO, Dark Tier 1.75: Cure, Clem, Reynor | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1276 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
S Tier: Serral >>> Maru A Tier: Dark, herO B Tier: Clem, Reynor, Cure, Oliveria C Tier: HeroMarine, Solar, SHIN, Gumiho Reynor's results over the last year also aren't A-tier, but he has the sheer aura of "could win any tournament any time" about him. It feels wrong to not list him as a contender even if the numbers would say so | ||
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darklycid
3540 Posts
On July 08 2024 07:02 Fango wrote: It's weird because Maru has placed 1st or 2nd in every tournament this year, which has to make anyone a guarantee for S Tier, but Serral specifically has his number so it's hard to imagine him winning. S Tier: Serral >>> Maru A Tier: Dark, herO B Tier: Clem, Reynor, Cure, Oliveria C Tier: HeroMarine, Solar, SHIN, Gumiho Reynor's results over the last year also aren't A-tier, but he has the sheer aura of "could win any tournament any time" about him. It feels wrong to not list him as a contender even if the numbers would say so I think reynor is somewhat like rogue in this (or sOs when big Tournament). | ||
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THERIDDLER
Canada127 Posts
A Tier: The rest | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1890 Posts
Tier 2 Maru herO Dark ByuN Tier 3 Reynor Solar Clem Tier 4 everyone else Classic and ByuN are going to have standout results this tournament, as in, doing better than everyone expects. Would anybody like to bet that the standings look like this after the tournament is over? | ||
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WickedCestus
Canada25 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
The biggest question mark for me is Oliveira, he looked amazing at Dallas but I'm not sure if he can maintain that level. If he can it will be a very exciting tournament. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26426 Posts
On July 08 2024 08:29 CicadaSC wrote: Tier 1 Serral and classic Tier 2 Maru herO Dark ByuN Tier 3 Reynor Solar Clem Tier 4 everyone else Classic and ByuN are going to have standout results this tournament, as in, doing better than everyone expects. Would anybody like to bet that the standings look like this after the tournament is over? I’m not sure to take that bet or have you institutionalised for putting Byun above Clem and Reynor and 2 tiers above Cure :p | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26426 Posts
On July 08 2024 05:51 NeWHoriZonS wrote: I'm sure someone will make a detailed and fully explained tier list before the event, but for now I figured we could have fun with our own versions I made this template that you can use: https://tiermaker.com/create/starcraft-2---ewc-2024-tier-list-16711448 Here is mine for example, ordered That’s pretty bang on for me, I’d maybe drop Oliveira down a tier and promote Cure up a tier but pretty on the money | ||
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Blitzball04
191 Posts
Bumping my boy classic to tier A. He will be the true Protoss hope | ||
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
- Oliveira: Down 1 tier - Shin: Down 1 tier - Cure & Classic: Up 1 tier | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.ibb.co/P62Y1Gw/my-image.png) In order within the tiers too, though I'd argue Reynor would have a better chance of winning the tournament than most other players in tier B when he's on. I view Dark, Clem, and Oliveira as the only ones that have a realistic shot at taking out Serral. However, Clem and Oliveira are much more likely than Dark to get knocked out by someone else. | ||
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Spirral
77 Posts
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ejozl
Denmark3483 Posts
Protoss will lose as soon as only Serral and Koreans exist in the bracket. So actually: T1: Finnish T2: Korean non-Protoss T3: Korean Protoss T4: rest. | ||
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
> protoss You have to pick one  | ||
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Locutos
Brazil273 Posts
On July 08 2024 18:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: In order within the tiers too, though I'd argue Reynor would have a better chance of winning the tournament than most other players in tier B when he's on. I view Dark, Clem, and Oliveira as the only ones that have a realistic shot at taking out Serral. However, Clem and Oliveira are much more likely than Dark to get knocked out by someone else. That's a good one. Dark way closer do Maru, than Maru is to Serral, as in chamionship's win chances... | ||
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Locutos
Brazil273 Posts
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cookinrelaxin
3 Posts
On July 08 2024 08:29 CicadaSC wrote: Tier 1 Serral and classic Tier 2 Maru herO Dark ByuN Tier 3 Reynor Solar Clem Tier 4 everyone else Classic and ByuN are going to have standout results this tournament, as in, doing better than everyone expects. Would anybody like to bet that the standings look like this after the tournament is over? I kind of get the take about Classic since he popped off at last year's Gamers8, but what makes you confident that ByuN will do better than the customary Ro8? | ||
Poopi
France12911 Posts
On July 08 2024 23:52 cookinrelaxin wrote: I kind of get the take about Classic since he popped off at last year's Gamers8, but what makes you confident that ByuN will do better than the customary Ro8? I think ByuN is a very dangerous opponent for anyone not named Serral, but otoh, given his wrist issues and/or peculiar style, it is highly unlikely for him to win the whole thing. For him to win it would require the stars to align like they did in Oliveira 2023 run imo. As for Classic, for some reason he manages to overperform offline sometimes / doesn't seem as flashy online as herO, which makes everyone forget about him pretty quickly. The expectations aren't that high so it's likely he'll "overperform" with that many people sleeping on him | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
The format of this tournament just makes it very difficult for a protoss like him to win. Double elim and a secondary knockout bracket means unless you cruise straight to the final four, you need a bottomless bag of builds. A protoss like Stats who can play reactive, or herO who's scrappy enough to repeat builds, would have a better shot. Build-smiths aren't made for this kind of events, which is a shame because there's not much money in starleagues or teamleagues in comparison. The best result for Classic is to take out one of the big guys (Serral, Dark, Oliveira, Maru) and then lose to the next one. | ||
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Biedrik
United States94 Posts
On July 08 2024 18:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: In order within the tiers too, though I'd argue Reynor would have a better chance of winning the tournament than most other players in tier B when he's on. I view Dark, Clem, and Oliveira as the only ones that have a realistic shot at taking out Serral. However, Clem and Oliveira are much more likely than Dark to get knocked out by someone else. I agree with this one. In any tournament without Serral I'd want Maru in S, but given their history it's hard to put them in the same tier. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4243 Posts
anything else would be a pretty huge upset, imo | ||
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Blitzball04
191 Posts
On July 09 2024 01:07 M3t4PhYzX wrote: Serral or Maru or Clem (in that order of winning probability). anything else would be a pretty huge upset, imo Only path for Clem to win is if he avoid tvt. Clem can’t win a tvt against Koreans to save his life | ||
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NeWHoriZonS
55 Posts
On July 08 2024 23:57 Poopi wrote: I think ByuN is a very dangerous opponent for anyone not named Serral, but otoh, given his wrist issues and/or peculiar style, it is highly unlikely for him to win the whole thing. For him to win it would require the stars to align like they did in Oliveira 2023 run imo. As for Classic, for some reason he manages to overperform offline sometimes / doesn't seem as flashy online as herO, which makes everyone forget about him pretty quickly. The expectations aren't that high so it's likely he'll "overperform" with that many people sleeping on him Unless I missed it in GSL (I didn't watch everything) I feel like it's been a while since ByuN got wrist issues no? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
On July 09 2024 01:26 Blitzball04 wrote: Only path for Clem to win is if he avoid tvt. Clem can’t win a tvt against Koreans to save his life Clem has shown he can do it, he beat Maru in a bo5 TvT at Gamers8 when it really mattered. It's just quite sporadic. The main reason Clem and everyone else on B tier isn't A tier is because they can all lose to players at C and D tier. I don't expect Serral, Dark or Maru to drop a series to C&D tier players, whereas this is a very real possibility for those in the B tier. Their remarkable consistency against players at lower tiers is what makes their winning chances so much higher. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26426 Posts
On July 09 2024 00:13 Fango wrote: Classic is a special case because I think he can pop off and win a bo7 against anyone. But I don't see him having 30+ builds to carry for the entire event. The format of this tournament just makes it very difficult for a protoss like him to win. Double elim and a secondary knockout bracket means unless you cruise straight to the final four, you need a bottomless bag of builds. A protoss like Stats who can play reactive, or herO who's scrappy enough to repeat builds, would have a better shot. Build-smiths aren't made for this kind of events, which is a shame because there's not much money in starleagues or teamleagues in comparison. The best result for Classic is to take out one of the big guys (Serral, Dark, Oliveira, Maru) and then lose to the next one. Yeah this feels about right, I can definitely see Classic doing well, taking out a big boy or two (man a repeat of him beating someone as he memorably did Rogue would be hyped) Winning the whole thing given both his strengths and style, and Protoss more generally is probably just that step too far given the format | ||
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Ciaus237
South Africa287 Posts
On July 08 2024 18:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Correct. | ||
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thorn969
5 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.ibb.co/L0vc29G/my-image.png) I went like this, also sorted within tiers. I think at least one player from B tier will make final four. SHIN and ShoWTimE down-ranked because the format. | ||
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JJH777
United States4415 Posts
On July 08 2024 23:11 Locutos wrote: Its a pitty Serral is in military service though. I wish he would have entered this 100% trained There's no good evidence that Serral's military service is causing him not to be in 100% form after his Dallas run. How many hours per week does he even have military related duties? Clearly can't be anywhere near fulltime or there's no way he still would've been in that form for Dallas. | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1428 Posts
No chance to win lmao. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16061 Posts
On July 09 2024 04:23 JJH777 wrote: There's no good evidence that Serral's military service is causing him not to be in 100% form after his Dallas run. How many hours per week does he even have military related duties? Clearly can't be anywhere near fulltime or there's no way he still would've been in that form for Dallas. Yeah, Oliveira mentioned how he grinded practice games after practice games with Serral, he clearly still has a ton of time to practice | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26426 Posts
On July 09 2024 03:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Clem has shown he can do it, he beat Maru in a bo5 TvT at Gamers8 when it really mattered. It's just quite sporadic. The main reason Clem and everyone else on B tier isn't A tier is because they can all lose to players at C and D tier. I don't expect Serral, Dark or Maru to drop a series to C&D tier players, whereas this is a very real possibility for those in the B tier. Their remarkable consistency against players at lower tiers is what makes their winning chances so much higher. Yeah pretty much this, and why Serral and Maru are so remarkable in these times. My tiers are roughly: A - Highest ceiling, consistent B - Highest ceiling, inconsistent or slightly lower ceiling but consistent And so on and so forth. As for Clem and TvT I feel the matchup is slightly less stable than it has been in the past, but broadly it’s still Maru is favoured versus everyone, Cure is favoured versus everyone not named Maru and the rest of the notable names are kinda 50/50 against each other. So I don’t think it’s a huge Achilles heel for Clem, but he’d probably prefer other matchups. Like a slightly less potent Serral in that his ZvZ is merely very very good rather than borderline invincible at times like his others | ||
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njleslu2024
57 Posts
On July 08 2024 08:29 CicadaSC wrote: Tier 1 Serral and classic Tier 2 Maru herO Dark ByuN Tier 3 Reynor Solar Clem Tier 4 everyone else Classic and ByuN are going to have standout results this tournament, as in, doing better than everyone expects. Would anybody like to bet that the standings look like this after the tournament is over? Tbh I like to see Protoss get a huge champion like EWC. But we know it’s very hard for classic to enter final. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On July 08 2024 23:11 Locutos wrote: Its a pitty Serral is in military service though. I wish he would have entered this 100% trained Nah Serral was never a guy who needed to practice 16 hours a day. At Dallas and Katowice he looked as good as ever. The fact he can still practice a little bit, but spend a lot of time thinking about the game, and then focus 100% on the few big events a year is not a hindrance at all. | ||
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arcane1129
United States271 Posts
S+, Serral S, Maru, Dark, herO A, Cure, Clem, Reynor B+, Classic, Shin, Oliveira, Solar, Byun B, Gumiho, Showtime, Heromarine C, Spirit, Astrea, Coffee | ||
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Locutos
Brazil273 Posts
On July 09 2024 06:50 Fango wrote: Nah Serral was never a guy who needed to practice 16 hours a day. At Dallas and Katowice he looked as good as ever. The fact he can still practice a little bit, but spend a lot of time thinking about the game, and then focus 100% on the few big events a year is not a hindrance at all. Im just preparing the terrain for excuse, in case he doesnt win. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26426 Posts
On July 09 2024 08:09 Locutos wrote: Im just preparing the terrain for excuse, in case he doesnt win. He’s for me the favourite, although I don’t think it’s overwhelming like Serral being over 50% chance versus the rest of the field. It’s more likely to me that anyone other than Serral wins versus him taking it home. But he’s looked imperious this year, and I think double elimination, Bo7 semis etc definitely helps him out. He’s so resolutely consistent that longer series are an advantage for him, and he’s got an extra life if he has a bad one. | ||
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radracer
United States73 Posts
![[image loading]](https://imgur.com/a/zCbDjbX) | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7132 Posts
On July 09 2024 08:53 Shellshock wrote: i cant wait to see the drama in the serral and maru goat threads after this one What drama? One is the goat, the other isn't :D | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On July 08 2024 18:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: In order within the tiers too, though I'd argue Reynor would have a better chance of winning the tournament than most other players in tier B when he's on. I view Dark, Clem, and Oliveira as the only ones that have a realistic shot at taking out Serral. However, Clem and Oliveira are much more likely than Dark to get knocked out by someone else. This is great. Although I would move Cure and Byun down to C. I just really can't see either of them winning. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7132 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
On July 09 2024 20:36 Pandain wrote: This is great. Although I would move Cure and Byun down to C. I just really can't see either of them winning. I could see an argument for that. Main reason they're still in B is I can see ByuN beating Dark, and Cure beating Maru. Neither is that likely but anyone in C/D I just can't see taking a series off anyone in A/S. I also think Serral has about a 60% chance of winning. Dark 15%, Maru 12%, rest of the field (mainly looking at Clem, herO and Reynor) 13%. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Serral basically never loses in double elim. The more games he's able to play, the better his odds. For him to lose he needs to get sniped by someone like Clem/Oliveira/Classic/another zerg on fire. That doesn't happen often enough to lost in double/triple elim | ||
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radracer
United States73 Posts
S (Favorites): Maru/Serral A (Good Chance): Dark/Hero B (Wouldn't be surprised): Reynor/Clem/Gumi/Shin C (Would surprise but not impossible):Oliveira/Byun/Cure/Solar/Classic D (Zero chance): Heromarine/Astrea/Showtime/Spirit | ||
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Drahkn
195 Posts
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Starcloud
138 Posts
S (Favorites): Serral (If form = "2024" then chance = 85%, else..) A (Good Chance): Maru (prolly only if Serral gets knocked out) B (Wouldn't be surprised): Dark/Oliveira C (Would surprise but not impossible): Reynor/Clem/Hero D (Zero chance): Byun/Cure/Solar/Classic/Gumi/Shin/Heromarine/Astrea/Showtime/Spirit | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18241 Posts
On July 10 2024 20:43 Starcloud wrote: Okay, here is the official tier list S (Favorites): Serral (If form = "2024" then chance = 85%, else..) A (Good Chance): Maru (prolly only if Serral gets knocked out) B (Wouldn't be surprised): Dark/Oliveira C (Would surprise but not impossible): Reynor/Clem/Hero D (Zero chance): Byun/Cure/Solar/Classic/Gumi/Shin/Heromarine/Astrea/Showtime/Spirit Yeah, something like this. Mabye split D into D (zero chance) and F (less than zero chance), with Astrea, Coffee, Showtime and Spirit demoted to F. | ||
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Bennito_bh
15 Posts
On July 08 2024 23:11 Locutos wrote: Its a pitty Serral is in military service though. I wish he would have entered this 100% trained Statistically, players competing in offline premiere tournaments while serving in the military have a 100% win rate in SC2, so I'd say Serral's got this one in the bag  | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26426 Posts
On July 10 2024 20:43 Starcloud wrote: Okay, here is the official tier list S (Favorites): Serral (If form = "2024" then chance = 85%, else..) A (Good Chance): Maru (prolly only if Serral gets knocked out) B (Wouldn't be surprised): Dark/Oliveira C (Would surprise but not impossible): Reynor/Clem/Hero D (Zero chance): Byun/Cure/Solar/Classic/Gumi/Shin/Heromarine/Astrea/Showtime/Spirit Cure made the final of the last one of these, and a Ro4 in Kato, and in GSLs has gone deep too. He’s made more Ro4s+ in the last year in Premier tournies than Oliveira has ever made If we’re weighting very heavily on recent form, Cure’s got some decent form too, feels they should be on the same tier. If the argument is that Oliveira’s shown the cohones to win a big WC-tier event in the past, well Reynor has a couple in his locker even if he’s slumped in recent times: | ||
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mintyminmus
Australia127 Posts
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Blitzball04
191 Posts
On July 08 2024 23:11 Locutos wrote: Its a pitty Serral is in military service though. I wish he would have entered this 100% trained Serral gotta give himself a handicap to make this tournament somewhat a challenge for him | ||
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